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On October 20 2011 06:36 Egyptian_Head wrote:
If you want to lie and say gg after every game thats great for you, but don't look down at me for having some standards. Why is it good manners to go gg ? Because you say so? because the community says so? I refuse to believe people actually believe that lying to someone is being well mannered, it is pretty much the opposite of being well mannered.
You can compare it to say goodbye to someone irl, what would be your reaction if you spend 5-20 minutes with that person and suddenly he leaves without saying anything, just think about it.
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On October 20 2011 06:32 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I don't know why such stress is put on saying a 2 letter 'phrase'
Ever see a MLB game? Do the winners go over and shake hands with the losers? And say hey, great game.
Funny how the NFL/NBA's players believe in shaking hands after a game?
PS: Little Leaguers shake hands, so do high school baseball players.
The MLB must be lightyears behind in etiquette even compared to Starcraft, and you use it as an example, rofl.
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On October 20 2011 06:41 RedFoxOne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:36 Egyptian_Head wrote:
If you want to lie and say gg after every game thats great for you, but don't look down at me for having some standards. Why is it good manners to go gg ? Because you say so? because the community says so? I refuse to believe people actually believe that lying to someone is being well mannered, it is pretty much the opposite of being well mannered. Idk if you ever played organized sports. GG is SC2's way of shaking hands after a match. It's just like "gl hf". You might not ACTUALLY mean it, but it's a manner of showing respect online (since you can't really shake hands).
And there we have it, "You might not actually mean it" in other words you are lying. So lying is good manners? I don't know about you but I don't show respect to people by lying to them, that's what I do to people I do not respect.
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On October 20 2011 06:41 Superouman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:36 Egyptian_Head wrote:
If you want to lie and say gg after every game thats great for you, but don't look down at me for having some standards. Why is it good manners to go gg ? Because you say so? because the community says so? I refuse to believe people actually believe that lying to someone is being well mannered, it is pretty much the opposite of being well mannered. You can compare it to say goodbye to someone irl, what would be your reaction if you spend 5-20 minutes with that person and suddenly he leaves without saying anything, just think about it.
And what about if you don't like the person? You only say bye because it's socially awkward to just leave someone that you had spoken too. The game removes that social awkwardness of not saying bye because there is a low chance of you meeting them again.
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On October 20 2011 06:41 Monkeyballs25 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:32 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I don't know why such stress is put on saying a 2 letter 'phrase'
Ever see a MLB game? Do the winners go over and shake hands with the losers? And say hey, great game.
MLB, is that baseball or something? And yes, in the European equivalent sport of soccer, the opposing captains do go and shake hands at the end of the game. And they swap jerseys. A gg is just the virtual equivalent of doing that. If you think your opponent actually played well, tag on a wp to the gg.
MLB = major league baseball.
When they win? They shake their own team hands, because it was them who made the win happen. Fuck the other team.
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On October 20 2011 06:46 iAmJeffReY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:41 Monkeyballs25 wrote:On October 20 2011 06:32 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I don't know why such stress is put on saying a 2 letter 'phrase'
Ever see a MLB game? Do the winners go over and shake hands with the losers? And say hey, great game.
MLB, is that baseball or something? And yes, in the European equivalent sport of soccer, the opposing captains do go and shake hands at the end of the game. And they swap jerseys. A gg is just the virtual equivalent of doing that. If you think your opponent actually played well, tag on a wp to the gg. MLB = major league baseball. When they win? They shake their own team hands, because it was them who made the win happen. Fuck the other team.
...oh. Well um, cultural diversity and all that. I'll say no more.
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Lol, I just say wpgg if it was a good game. or just gg. If i lost in a stupid manner, I'll just gg. Don't usually compliment oppoenets since they either BM or don't say anything.
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people who were raised right usually gg and then most lower class people tend to not have very good manner or etiquette and don't that is all there is to it. Look at any sport event when players shake hands even if the game wasn't good, it is called sportsmanship.
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I always say gg wp after every game I lose.
Sometimes people message me afterwards trying to explain themselves because they feel guilty about cheesing and being told "wp" for it
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I try and be more chill on ladder these days. It's only practice and so I generally GG, or am very good mannered. I do this because I think it's a good community standard to be polite during games.
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On October 20 2011 05:49 Charon1979 wrote:
I dont glhf because i consider it an empty phrase.
I dont want my opponent to be lucky. I also dont want him to be unlucky. So why should i wish him luck?
Have fun... am the moment i consider it to be harsh sarcasm. Have fun with my marine/scv all-in! Do I have fun? No. Does he know I wont have fun with this kind of play? Most probably YES. So why even mention it? He doesnt want me to have fun and he doesnt want me to be lucky. He wants cheap ladder points, thats all.
I consider it the same if you run up to somebody you hardly know or dont even like an "Oh hi!!!! *kiss left/kiss right* How are you doing! Oh you look great!" You dont even care and honestly you are thinking -omg how did he get that fat - But... you lie... because you want to be good mannered... which is a contradiction in my eyes. I cant stand dishonest people. If I enjoyed a game, it was a gg. If he even totally outplayed me, its a gg wp. If hes just 6 raxing and playing down a extremely simple build order... it just cheap.
its a video game, get over yourself
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I consider myself very mannered. But sometimes when I get 4gated while fastexpanding (I'm a mechterran) without preparing myself enough I cry when I write the GG. The thing is, it's not necessarely the words themselves but rather It's the symbolism of respect of the competition and your opponent.
Also, if you want to rage you can do it after the game by yourself :p But try avoiding raging just when your gf calls you so she thinks you're mad at her, it'll have consequences.
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I don't know if forcing it when it isn't true is healthy but I like the idea behind this. I'm going to try and be more constructive when I know the loss was legit. I rarely gg even when I feel outplayed, I just get frustrated. Thanks for bringing this up. I'll give it a shot.
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I think this is fantastic. I too always try to be as well mannered as possible when laddering or playing unrated practice games. There's a lot of BM out there but I've always seen it as a lack of class and over-inflated ego (e.g., "I'm angry because I'm better than you and you only won by cheating in some fashion"). This is why I hate IdrA. He's a phenomenal player but I root against him EVERY SINGLE TIME because he's so BM. Sheth, HuK, Boxer (as chivalrous an e-warrior as there ever was) ... so many well mannered pros that I admire, not just because they are dominant, but because they are as gracious in victory as they are in defeat. That, I think, is the mark of a true champion.
Someone else mentioned feeling anger when losing. I know exactly how that feels. For me it became easier to deal with the anger and frustration when I thought about it and realized that I was angry because I didn't know how to deal with a particularly strong strategy (curse you mutabling!!! lol). The anger also becomes easier to deal with when you stop and remind yourself that there are others out there who know how to deal with that strategy and prevail against it. Then instead of feeling like the game is rigged or imba and that you only lose because the other guy is abusing a broken part of the game, you can focus your energies on seeking out the counter-strategies that others have used and on perfecting your execution of those counter-strategies.
Finally, I've also found that being well mannered, even after a crushing defeat, makes me feel less angry, even if at that moment I just feel like I'm going through the motions. Angry losers are really just losers, but respectful losers are actually just learning.
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I just played someone who refused to talk to me because I played Terran, he only elaborated when i said gg because I'd lost, then he said 'playing terran is low'. In regards to my manner i said glhf or some variation, sometimes talk with the player and the gg at the end, gg wp if they've earnt it.
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On October 20 2011 06:59 Banchan wrote:
I always say gg wp after every game I lose.
Sometimes people message me afterwards trying to explain themselves because they feel guilty about cheesing and being told "wp" for it
I'm trying harder to say gg after every game now. But I get annoyed with myself for throwing games and just want to leave...
but as for people feeling guilty for winning with cheese and being told 'well played'. It -is- well played. They just abused a weakness in your play, which is a big part of a strategy game. Either you mis-microed, or your build is just too risky cause it loses to cheese. You can fix both of those, and it's not your opponents fault. 
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I used to BM after a loss to cheese/something frustrating but I've found that if I just gg and think about why I lost I learn more and get more out of the game.
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Good manner is overrated. BM ftw! And receiving bm is much more fun. And being bm is just for the fun.
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I don't get why people insist on BM. Is it some lame rebellion idea, I don't know. Just get over yourself and have a good time competing.
It's not like the opposing teams in [insert proffessional sport] would tell each other to fuck off before the game, sure during games people say stuff in the heat of battle. And as far as i know, atleast team captains shake hands after the games.
It's a great game, enjoy it! I know I dont when I'm raging.
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