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On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread
I was responding to the post above. Check out last page.
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On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion.
just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it...
there is a report function for posts like those.
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On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion.
This is the Designated Balance Discussion Thread in the SC2 forum section. There's no place for this here.
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On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those.
Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community.
And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft.
If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance.
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On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance.
you should re-read what you wrote then.
saying you wish it dies sooner, doesn't deserve where it is today, didn't follow dh etc does not contribute or add to any of your points.
if you want to contribute to the discussion, do it with points and discussions. I have similar opinion on how they balance the game but your last post was completely irrelevant.
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On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance.
Except for TvP (as i do not play P side of match-up) TvZ and ZvZ are balanced. TvZ is one-dimensional though, that is true, zvz.... dunno, i like it.
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On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance.
explain how a mirror match-up is unbalanced?
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Another Terran victory in dreamhack. I'm not surprised as I foresaw ro 16 being equally represented by each race then Terran winning everyingthing beyond ro4 due to their high skillcap since HOTS came out. @_@ Come on Blizzard, go ahead and integrate mech upgrades, let's see how much more powerful top terrans can become with a buff.
I've stopped following the scene all together when I had predicted T to win the last S2 final and heard Blizz planning to buff terran. I don't play anymore, but I want to see P winning Korean tourney from time to time. I guess it won't ever happen.
I still remember shredder and war hounds. Blizzard has been, and still is as clueless as they can be about balancing. I am still dazzled how those two units were even suggested and passed the test to be introduced in beta in the first place.
They can rectify this standing(where P is powerful at low-mid pro levels then gets really bad at the top level) by getting rid of colosus and adding a delay to storms while increasing its damage output so only well-predicted storms can deal a massive damage against Terran units. The former is a must but I doubt if it will ever happen. FF and colossus are design failures.
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On September 17 2013 01:39 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance. explain how a mirror match-up is unbalanced?
He uses LoL definition of balance :D
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On September 17 2013 01:50 highsis wrote:
Another Terran victory in dreamhack. I'm not surprised as I foresaw ro 16 being equally represented by each race then Terran winning everyingthing beyond ro4 due to their high skillcap since HOTS came out. @_@ Come on Blizzard, go ahead and integrate mech upgrades, let's see how much more powerful top terrans can become with a buff.
I've stopped following the scene all together when I had predicted T to win the last S2 final and heard Blizz planning to buff terran. I don't play anymore, but I want to see P winning Korean tourney from time to time. I guess it won't ever happen.
I still remember shredder and war hounds. Blizzard has been, and still is as clueless as they can be about balancing. I am still dazzled how those two units were even suggested and passed the test to be introduced in beta in the first place.
They can rectify this standing(where P is powerful at low-mid pro levels then gets really bad at the top level) by getting rid of colosus and adding a delay to storms while increasing its damage output so only well-predicted storms can deal a massive damage against Terran units. The former is a must but I doubt if it will ever happen. FF and colossus are design failures.
Not terran's fault all tosses choke harder than innovation after losing 2 games. Also, blizzard actually wanted to make mech good, it just turned out that with current toss units they need to add completely BS units for it to work. Also, PvT is pretty balanced at tip top level at the not-too-late stages of the game and just slightly favored right after scv pull timing passes away and when they can afford intergrating tempests in composition. Next, storm is just a designated counter to bio, bio has to be viable after storms are out IS the actual failure of Blizzard IMO.
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On September 17 2013 01:50 highsis wrote:
Another Terran victory in dreamhack. I'm not surprised as I foresaw ro 16 being equally represented by each race then Terran winning everyingthing beyond ro4 due to their high skillcap since HOTS came out.
So you have no clue what the word skillcap means...
I've stopped following the scene all together when I had predicted T to win the last S2 final and heard Blizz planning to buff terran.
So you haven't been following closely before that either, as the Upgrade TEST MAP was uploaded before the WCS Finals took place.
I still remember shredder and war hounds. Blizzard has been, and still is as clueless as they can be about balancing. I am still dazzled how those two units were even suggested and passed the test to be introduced in beta in the first place.
So you have no clue that the Shredder was never put into the beta. It was not even present in the HotS Battle Reports, so it was not even alpha tested...
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On September 17 2013 02:12 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:39 DusTerr wrote:On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance. explain how a mirror match-up is unbalanced? He uses LoL definition of balance :D
LoL has no mirror matchups though
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On September 17 2013 02:25 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:12 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 17 2013 01:39 DusTerr wrote:On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance. explain how a mirror match-up is unbalanced? He uses LoL definition of balance :D LoL has no mirror matchups though
Until you watch OGN.
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On September 17 2013 02:32 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:25 UmberBane wrote:On September 17 2013 02:12 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 17 2013 01:39 DusTerr wrote:On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance. explain how a mirror match-up is unbalanced? He uses LoL definition of balance :D LoL has no mirror matchups though Until you watch OGN.
True, blindpick match which happens once every couple of seasons, but that's awesome! 
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nice jokes guys. explaining why balance is relevant to zvz. Balance is not only about race winrates. Helbats were imbalanced in tvt and mutas were imbalanced in zvz. They got patched. When balancing the game we need to look at each unit and composition in order to maintain fun, diverse and fair gameplay. DK mostly cares about race winrates which makes it fair but ignores other two qualities. Imo this the biggest problem of their balancing strategy.
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And black is white...
A mirror cannot be unbalanced because no composition or timing that you make is such that it cannot be matched by a composition or timing the opposition makes.
Hellbats led to poor gameplay, they were poor design. They were discussed in this thread because the "correction" nerfed hellbats in TvP and TvZ, making hellbat use entirely (pace Supernova) obsolete in TvP.
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On September 17 2013 02:53 Ghanburighan wrote:
And black is white...
A mirror cannot be unbalanced because no composition or timing that you make is such that it cannot be matched by a composition or timing the opposition makes.
Hellbats led to poor gameplay, they were poor design. They were discussed in this thread because the "correction" nerfed hellbats in TvP and TvZ, making hellbat use entirely (pace Supernova) obsolete in TvP.
You mean ForGG instead of SuNo, right?
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On September 17 2013 02:25 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:12 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 17 2013 01:39 DusTerr wrote:On September 17 2013 01:14 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 01:06 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 01:02 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 17 2013 00:59 ETisME wrote:On September 17 2013 00:47 saddaromma wrote:On September 17 2013 00:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 17 2013 00:29 saddaromma wrote:
"If sc2 dies fast blizzard will do smth" is kinda lame theory. The game will just die and thats it. Its outcry of desperate community. As for me, i'd be glad if game died sooner. Lets be honest it doesnt deserve attention its getting now. Didn't follow dh, and from what heard it wasnt entertaining either. It was entertaining as hell. Please don't bring that attitude to an SC2 forum if you don't care about the game. Lots of people think it was boring. And since when sc2 haters are not allowed to post here? I care about StarCraft but I don't like sc2. Forum is not about only supporting the game, you can express whatever you want as long as it compells general behavior. why are you even in SC2 thread just to say you want the game to die soon. this is designated balance thread, not a say what you want about sc2 thread He was responding to someone in this thread, and didn't introduce this topic. You guys are blaming him because you don't like his opinion. just because someone is out of topic doesn't mean he should add to it... there is a report function for posts like those. Its kinda relevant to this topic. I have stated many times in this thread that I don't like how blizzard balances the game. 1. They completely ignore fun and diversity aspects of the game. 2. They don't interact with community. And since sc2 represents what they're making of it. I just say I don't like sc2. But I care about StarCraft. If we want to go into particular tvz, Tvp and zvz in a very bad state of balance. explain how a mirror match-up is unbalanced? He uses LoL definition of balance :D LoL has no mirror matchups though
Korean team vs Korean team is enough of a mirror, though :D
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On September 17 2013 02:50 saddaromma wrote:
nice jokes guys. explaining why balance is relevant to zvz. Balance is not only about race winrates. Helbats were imbalanced in tvt and mutas were imbalanced in zvz. They got patched. When balancing the game we need to look at each unit and composition in order to maintain fun, diverse and fair gameplay. DK mostly cares about race winrates which makes it fair but ignores other two qualities. Imo this the biggest problem of their balancing strategy.
Hellbats were not imbalanced in TvT, they were creating poor games, hence the nerf.
Mutas were making zvz one-dimensional, hence the spore buff (since due to TvZ they could not nerf mutas at all). Also, you USE LoL definition of balance here.
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On September 17 2013 02:59 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:53 Ghanburighan wrote:
And black is white...
A mirror cannot be unbalanced because no composition or timing that you make is such that it cannot be matched by a composition or timing the opposition makes.
Hellbats led to poor gameplay, they were poor design. They were discussed in this thread because the "correction" nerfed hellbats in TvP and TvZ, making hellbat use entirely (pace Supernova) obsolete in TvP. You mean ForGG instead of SuNo, right?
Haven't seen ForGG build hellbats (but, hey, I haven't seen all games). The idea was, they are very rare, and you CAN exclude certain outliers (SuNo, ForGG both, I guess). You CANNOT list terran players that use WM.
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