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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 26 2013 21:08 Ammanas wrote: What do you guys think would happen, balance wise, if next patch would contain this: -Worker (SCV, Drone, Probe) supply cost now 0.5 down from 1. Zerg wins next 10 Code S. | ||
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
On July 26 2013 21:08 Ammanas wrote: What do you guys think would happen, balance wise, if next patch would contain this: -Worker (SCV, Drone, Probe) supply cost now 0.5 down from 1. Zerg players would have a broken ''D'' button in their keyboard. Seriously, zergs would be taking the expansions like crazy. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On July 26 2013 21:08 Ammanas wrote: What do you guys think would happen, balance wise, if next patch would contain this: -Worker (SCV, Drone, Probe) supply cost now 0.5 down from 1. 3 pool OP | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
You know the Terrans are clutching at straws when they resort to arguments like these. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 26 2013 21:41 GreenGringo wrote: Three pages of this thread devoted to discussing whether Terran is the most vulnerable race with respect to production facilities being harassed. Because presumably taking down 8 tech add-ons with zealots or zerglings is easier than marauders sniping a spire or a templar archives. You know the Terrans are clutching at straws when they resort to arguments like these. could you please let stupid arguments die instead of fielding more stupid arguments against them. just for once... | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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klup
France612 Posts
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
 . Widow mines are giving me the option to Punish 3 base play to the point where 90% of the time I can win the game on micro alone with 2 bases right there and then..... IMHO Zerg should be able to hold 2 base play with a 10 min push with 3 bases with good defense but even with defense it seems like i steam roll them regardless  . Here is my proposal that mines stay the same but the production can only happen with a techlab as oppose to being able to make 2 at a time.... the production speed of widow mines seems to play a HUGE roll in this attack seeing how I can pretty much without let up attack zerg and drop his main and push creep all at the same time giving me at the very least a game winning advantage in the late game.... I honestly don't see how a zerg can beat this strategy So i'd like to put it up to someone who is Masters / GM that has played against this strat as zerg and won and how they did so..... | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 26 2013 22:23 Pirfiktshon wrote: I will say after last night me playing TvZ 3 games against Low masters and completely destroying them with 2 base widow mine play into 4 base Raven MMMM I have to start siding with zergs . Widow mines are giving me the option to Punish 3 base play to the point where 90% of the time I can win the game on micro alone with 2 bases right there and then..... IMHO Zerg should be able to hold 2 base play with a 10 min push with 3 bases with good defense but even with defense it seems like i steam roll them regardless . Here is my proposal that mines stay the same but the production can only happen with a techlab as oppose to being able to make 2 at a time.... the production speed of widow mines seems to play a HUGE roll in this attack seeing how I can pretty much without let up attack zerg and drop his main and push creep all at the same time giving me at the very least a game winning advantage in the late game.... I honestly don't see how a zerg can beat this strategy So i'd like to put it up to someone who is Masters / GM that has played against this strat as zerg and won and how they did so..... If your Zerg opponents are dying to simple 2-bases timings they're 100% doing something terribly wrong. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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eXdeath
France66 Posts
They might consider making Nydus strats more viable and less "all in". They could buff the mechanic while also limit it, for example, making it only available from overseers. This way T and P should look for overseers getting closer to their bases, that would be a sign of harass danger just like when spotting a medivac or warp prism. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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ETisME
12289 Posts
On July 26 2013 22:25 TheDwf wrote: If your Zerg opponents are dying to simple 2-bases timings they're 100% doing something terribly wrong. didn't stephano fall against Mvp to his 2 base marauder hellbat? Ryung used to do the same build without going all in and had tonnes of damage done as well (GSTL) | ||
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H0i
Netherlands484 Posts
On July 26 2013 18:43 MTAC wrote: Imo. Buff roaches, and buff tanks could lead to much more cool things in TvZ. CC first into 3CC double ebay should be a reactionnary play, or a really greedy one. Not the go-to. A few roaches in a Z comp is already good. (Different speeds give natural spread against splash), and more roaches/less lings give more unit attacking at a time. And btw, if the T is spread, even 10 Marines/marauders don't kill a lonely roach before the mine is launched. For toss, everything that could be shield-bases and therefore harrassement-bases could be great and diversify toss play/techpaths (mix of GWsky comp, better stalkers etc...). If roaches get buffed, PvZ is insta-gg. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 26 2013 22:31 Pirfiktshon wrote: So Dwf what do you think they do wrong? Or have you beaten this strategy playing zerg? If so describe how..... Well, are they scouting your timing in the first place? Are they stopping drones at the correct timing so they have enough units to hold your attack? On July 26 2013 22:39 ETisME wrote: didn't stephano fall against Mvp to his 2 base marauder hellbat? Ryung used to do the same build without going all in and had tonnes of damage done as well (GSTL) Marauder/Hellbat was much stronger than the standard Marines/Hellions/Medivac timing, but it was patched anyway. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
I personally think they should swap hydras and roaches around, make hydras the teir 1 unit and make roaches the teir 2 with a slight damage increase or something. Then again roaches are still really good already. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 26 2013 21:43 Big J wrote: The difference is that my argument wasn't stupid. Taking down 8 tech add-ons with zealots or zerglings is exactly what's required of the idea that Terran is especially vulnerable in its production facilities.could you please let stupid arguments die instead of fielding more stupid arguments against them. just for once... What you mean is could I please let stupid arguments die instead of fielding yet more rebuttals. The answer is no. It had already been carried on for three pages and showed no signs of dying. If two or three people in this thread are going to try and square a circle like maniacs, they can expect someone to call them on it. | ||
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