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I don't care if someone is legit / troll / idiot.
On July 25 2013 19:01 GreenGringo wrote:
The intellectual gulf between top Terran and top Protoss is laughably, deliciously hilarious. On July 25 2013 19:30 GreenGringo wrote:
I didn't accuse Terran players of being idiots; I merely implied that their race isn't as cerebral. These are not acceptable no matter how noble you are. That's for sure.
You won't last long in TL with such attitude. I hope you have learned a thing or two here. Calm down, then your contribution is appreciated. See ya.
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On July 25 2013 19:52 Orek wrote:I don't care if someone is legit / troll / idiot. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:01 GreenGringo wrote:
The intellectual gulf between top Terran and top Protoss is laughably, deliciously hilarious. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:30 GreenGringo wrote:
I didn't accuse Terran players of being idiots; I merely implied that their race isn't as cerebral. These are not acceptable no matter how noble you are. That's for sure. You won't last long in TL with such attitude. I hope you have learned a thing or two here. Calm down, then your contribution is appreciated. See ya.
Well apparently SC2 is dead to him, so maybe he won't have much reason to stick around anyway. I don't understand how someone can go on a Starcraft forum, insult the game and one third of its player base, and then be surprised when people react negatively.
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On July 25 2013 19:30 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:15 ChristianS wrote:
"Intellectual gulf" is a really dumb way to describe a really dumb idea. Partly because Starcraft isn't a game about "intellectual" superiority, partly because you have to be an idiot to think one entire race of players is just straight smarter than another entire race, and partly because the phrase "intellectual gulf" is just a really bad one. No, not really. Sophisticated timing attacks and strategies such as what we see from Rain are a part of the cerebral aspect of the game. This is lacking in Terran, a race which has always been able to rely on the brute force of MMM plus animal reflexes required to micro it. I believe the first game in the series illustrated this point quite well. As for this thin-skinned bullshit about me being insulting. Isn't it insulting to call someone an idiot? I didn't accuse Terran players of being idiots; I merely implied that their race isn't as cerebral.
"Timing" attacks are never sophisticated, because you can take every time in the world to plan them and figure them out. In any case the whole concept of "timings" is bad, because it means that the races have different strengths at different times and abusing a "strong timing" is in no way a sign of superior mental capacity as you are implying.
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Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead.
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anybody watching WCS today? Terran harass is still pretty strong despite nexus canon 
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another easy win for terran, bomber vs first 1:0, build some marines, drop them, win the game. This is real terran progaming...
this is another example that shows HOW terran wins games. Easy mode!
Its the same in TvZ. In a bo7 series that ends 4:3 for anyone there are usually 1-2 absolutely easy wins for T. Probably this is the balance terran players wanted back, like in the beginning of WOL, basically freewins.
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On July 25 2013 20:32 Aiobhill wrote:
Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead.
While Supernova and Bomber have both demonstrated 2-base Protoss isn't quite as impervious as we thought, nobody denied you could proxy reaper. That's not an all-in, and everyone knew you could do reaper pressure. It was putting pressure on against a Protoss that techs on 2 bases (you know, when the mothership core is actually in play) that people declared impossible.
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On July 25 2013 20:35 LSN wrote:
another easy win for terran, bomber vs first 1:0, build some marines, drop them, win the game. This is real terran progaming...
Oh please, First played horribly against that. He spotted that with not one but TWO observers and still had almost nothing at home to defend, because he was counting on Bomber to do what most Terrans do (move to drop, see units there, load up and leave with chip damage on the medivac).
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On July 25 2013 20:32 Aiobhill wrote:
Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead.
It's not an allin. -_-
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Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead.
When medivacs are out, terran can harass. Before MSC is out, terran can harass. Between that, terran is stucked on his base. It's the only thing the "local terran experts" says. It's also the thing terran KR progamer are saying, Major too. Just watch the games and see Protoss getting MAXIMUM one sentry before 10. It's tweaking the tech timings.
Before criticizing people, please read them and try to understand what it's saying, don't just do some random bashing, we have enough with gringoguy. I'm starting to being angry against theses forums thanks to posts like yours.
Imba? Maybe. Haven't been figured out by T? Maybe. Thing is, tech/ups are reach much much faster and safer by toss players, and for now it's hard for T. As the TvZ things need to be watched for the months to come, the PvT thing as to be watched. Only thing that has been sayin'.
Edit: btw First didn't played master class this game with an awful defense and 5 probe kill with 2 reapers.
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On July 25 2013 20:35 LSN wrote:
this is another example that shows HOW terran wins games. Easy mode!.
Because the other races never all-in... And if you react bad to an all-in you loose.
Edit: Actually it wasn't even an all-in just horrible defense of an scouted (!) drop
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I think this should be renamed the designated "Terran just won a game, call the police" thread.
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On July 25 2013 20:42 MTAC wrote:Show nested quote +Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead. When medivacs are out, terran can harass. Before MSC is out, terran can harass. Between that, terran is stucked on his base. It's the only thing the "local terran experts" says. It's also the thing terran KR progamer are saying, Major too. Just watch the games and see Protoss getting MAXIMUM one sentry before 10. It's tweaking the tech timings.
And that has never been different. Terran has always started to move out when medivacs came out in TvP and not before, unless it was some form of cheesy play.
Up to that point, Terran was always stuck on his base due to stalkers kiting marines endlessly.
So the thing that has changed is basically BOs. Protoss now get faster tech out. Does this lead to Protoss being to strong later on? From watching highlevel TvPs currently, certainly not. The buffs to Terran bio/biomech in HotS TvP prove to be enough to keep them even with the faster Protoss techplay in HotS.
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On July 25 2013 20:42 MTAC wrote:Show nested quote +Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead. When medivacs are out, terran can harass. Before MSC is out, terran can harass. Between that, terran is stucked on his base. It's the only thing the "local terran experts" says. It's also the thing terran KR progamer are saying, Major too. Just watch the games and see Protoss getting MAXIMUM one sentry before 10. It's tweaking the tech timings. Before criticizing people, please read them and try to understand what it's saying, don't just do some random bashing, we have enough with gringoguy. I'm starting to being angry against theses forums thanks to posts like yours. Imba? Maybe. Haven't been figured out by T? Maybe. Thing is, tech/ups are reach much much faster and safer by toss players, and for now it's hard for T. As the TvZ things need to be watched for the months to come, the PvT thing as to be watched. Only thing that has been sayin'. Edit: btw First didn't played master class this game with an awful defense and 5 probe kill with 2 reapers.
Don't let the dumb posts get to you. Designated Balance Discussion Thread is the closest thing to Bnet forums that TL has, but you can't let people being obnoxious on the internet ruin your mood. It's not worth it
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On July 25 2013 20:55 TheDwf wrote:
I think this should be renamed the designated "Terran just won a game, call the police" thread.
God, imagine if Supernova had won AND Bomber 3-0'd First. We'd never hear the end of it.
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2nd game bomber vs first, 3 base scv all-in easy win for terran.
Thats so nice to watch. Especially the fact that protoss was from the beginning not able to do anything about losing this game when the terran decided to go and kill him.
What is needed for this?
1. some low master macro skills,
2. some timings that you can easily figure out after scouting.
Instead of watching exciting games we see terran easy mode easy win mechanics in 50% of games where terran is involved. There is really nothing special about executing these things besides the fact that opponent instantly loses the game and terran gets another easy win.
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On July 25 2013 20:57 LSN wrote:
2nd game bomber vs first, 3 base scv all-in easy win for terran.
Thats so nice to watch. Especially the fact that protoss was from the beginning not able to do anything about losing this game when the terran decided to go and kill him.
What is needed for this?
1. some low master macro skills,
2. some timings that you can easily figure out after scouting.
Instead of watching exciting games we see terran easy mode easy win mechanics in 50% of games where terran is involved.
Lol what? Bomber has sick macro dude.
Terran players, as well as zerg players actually need decent macro to be any good, unlike protoss.
Terran looks easy when played really well, but if you play it badly it looks like ass. Hence why most foreign terrans suck.
So much anger.
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On July 25 2013 20:57 LSN wrote:
Instead of watching exciting games we see terran easy mode easy win mechanics in 50% of games where terran is involved.
The next dude who wants to troll in this thread? It's getting old.
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2nd game bomber vs first, 3 base scv all-in easy win for terran.
Against 4 base before 10 minutes with ONLY ONE GATE. Kthxbye.
And that has never been different. Terran has always started to move out when medivacs came out in TvP and not before, unless it was some form of cheesy play.
WRONG. expand into 1/1/1 hellion, 1/1/1 hellion into expand. 2Rax tech instead of 3. 4 Rax/5rax/6rax pressure and/or all-in. Banshee/raven play. 1/1/1 all-in with tanks. Reapers. 2rax, all-in or not. Marauder expand.
Is that sufficient for you?
I don't even want to reply to these "mech/biomech buffs".
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On July 25 2013 20:55 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:42 MTAC wrote:Nice. After 20-ish whiny pages of local terran experts declaring terran all-ins vs protoss dead and buried, Bomber starts with proxy reaper and is promptly ahead. When medivacs are out, terran can harass. Before MSC is out, terran can harass. Between that, terran is stucked on his base. It's the only thing the "local terran experts" says. It's also the thing terran KR progamer are saying, Major too. Just watch the games and see Protoss getting MAXIMUM one sentry before 10. It's tweaking the tech timings. And that has never been different. Terran has always started to move out when medivacs came out in TvP and not before, unless it was some form of cheesy play. Up to that point, Terran was always stuck on his base due to stalkers kiting marines endlessly. So the thing that has changed is basically BOs. Protoss now get faster tech out. Does this lead to Protoss being to strong later on? From watching highlevel TvPs currently, certainly not. The buffs to Terran bio/biomech in HotS TvP prove to be enough to keep them even with the faster Protoss techplay in HotS.
Wrong: 3 rax add-ons (Marines/Marauders stim timing), 4-5 rax (Marines), (threats of) Tank pushes and Banshees transitions existed in WoL after 1 rax FE or CC first. They're now all dead to one button.
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On July 25 2013 21:01 HerrHorst wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:57 LSN wrote:
Instead of watching exciting games we see terran easy mode easy win mechanics in 50% of games where terran is involved. The next dude who wants to troll in this thread? It's getting old.
Well why don't you just watch it yourself? Its not about terran winning, its about HOW terran wins games and how easy it is to take the instant win, not just an advantage. Why are none of you terran guys seeing this? And the fourth base didnt make any difference there, I have seen this vs 3 base protoss alot of times too.
And the fourth base was up already quite some time and already paid off for half of its cost so you say 400 minerals (=4 more zealots) would have made any difference?
Defenitely not.
Just watch game 3, protoss has to all-in because there is no way back into the game vs a terran that has the advantage. Another imbalanced terran easy win mechanic. Get the advantage fend off the all-in and win or just kill and win.
Seems like the only thing that helps is all-in play vs terran and therefore all-ins vs terran are so common these days. It all makes sense finally, doesn't it?
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On July 25 2013 21:11 LSN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 21:01 HerrHorst wrote:On July 25 2013 20:57 LSN wrote:
Instead of watching exciting games we see terran easy mode easy win mechanics in 50% of games where terran is involved. The next dude who wants to troll in this thread? It's getting old. Well why don't you just watch it yourself? Its not about terran winning, its about HOW terran wins games and how easy it is to take the instant win, not just an advantage. Why are none of you terran guys seeing this? And the fourth base didnt make any difference there, I have seen this vs 3 base protoss alot of times too. And the fourth base was up already quite some time and already paid off for half of its cost so you say 400 minerals (=4 more zealots) would have made any difference? Defenitely not. Just watch game 3, protoss has to all-in because there is no way back into the game vs a terran that has the advantage. Another imbalanced terran easy win mechanic. Get the advantage fend off the all-in and win or just kill and win. :-/
The fourth base hurt him in game two. It's not just about 400 minerals, its about 400 minerals at a very early time. If someone takes a greedy four bases, 3-base all-in is THE response. Which Bomber did. Either he got wind of the fourth base somehow, or he just decided to all-in and got lucky, but in either case the fourth base was a big hindrance.
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