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Norway821 Posts
On August 15 2011 23:50 JustPassingBy wrote: So you basically mean like in the Homestory Cup? I didn't catch the finals (funnily pretty much the only broadcasted set I missed from that tourney), but if the Homestory Cup ran like that in the finals, then yes. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On August 16 2011 00:43 Cartel wrote: I can understand why you would believe the system is unfair, but thats where there may be a misunderstanding. The upper bracket player does not have an advantage. He doesn't? :o Surely only having to win one Bo3 compared to the two of the other is an advantage over the other? | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
but i also think bo5 with 1 game up or bo7 with 2 games up would be better than two bo x | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
On August 15 2011 23:36 grigorin wrote: I would make it like in beachvolleyball: Double Elimination until Ro 4 into single elimination (without any advantages) example: Link to .pdf I like this alot. Make the Ro 4 Bo5, finals Bo7. I think this is the best solution. I agree that the current format is less exciting, especially with the prospect of a repeated series with one player having a big advantage for the finals. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
 No advantage... why should the the player from the WINNER's bracket need an advantage anyways? (I say the player that wins the winners bracket should just get a small money bonus for their winner's domination) | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
You're all haters of extended series in MLG but it's okay if it's an extended series with one game up instead of potentially 2. Ah w/e double elim is fair you guys are too much | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:07 akalarry wrote: it's not an advantage that the winner gets, it's even footing... everyone else has lost a BoX, so he needs to lose TWO BoX to lose the grand finals. a smaller advantage for the WB? that's not fair for him because everyone else used the exact same advantage. Tbh the main point is that fair depends quite a lot of your POV. Heck the WB player can still have lost more games than the LB player. Seeing as the rules apply the same to every player, no matter who wins the finals of the WB, my POV= it's pretty fair. On August 16 2011 01:28 how2TL wrote: o_O You're all haters of extended series in MLG but it's okay if it's an extended series with one game up instead of potentially 2. Ah w/e double elim is fair you guys are too much Extended series is imo wrong because both players are at LB, they have both lost a series and don't deserve any advantage over one another. The finals, the WB deserves an advantage, but not such a large one as 1 straight BoX. On August 16 2011 01:26 ShatterZer0 wrote: Bo9... kuz I want more epic games No advantage... why should the the player from the WINNER's bracket need an advantage anyways? (I say the player that wins the winners bracket should just get a small money bonus for their winner's domination)He deserves an advantage, because else WB finals could become 'fixed', where you are pretty certain you will win the LB finals, so you'd rather not show your hand until the grand finals. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 16 2011 00:44 KevinIX wrote: i like the idea to make it double elim until the Semifinals where it becomes a simple single elimination best of 5/7 I absolutely agree with this and think it's a fantastic idea. Double elimination could be said to be had to make it harder for the top players to be cheesed out. However if at the Top 4-8 it becomes single elimanation - well upper bracker or lower bracket, everything is evened up, and it makes for a very exciting conclusion to the tournament. I have been giving it a lot of thought, and seriously, if you think this format is unfair, give it some thought first, and then try replying telling me how. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:29 Zarahtra wrote: Tbh the main point is that fair depends quite a lot of your POV. Heck the WB player can still have lost more games than the LB player. Seeing as the rules apply the same to every player, no matter who wins the finals of the WB, my POV= it's pretty fair. Extended series is imo wrong because both players are at LB, they have both lost a series and don't deserve any advantage over one another. The finals, the WB deserves an advantage, but not such a large one as 1 straight BoX. He deserves an advantage, because else WB finals could become 'fixed', where you are pretty certain you will win the LB finals, so you'd rather not show your hand until the grand finals. This is not an advantage that only the WB gets. It's equal to everyone else, but everyone else already used that advantage up. So i don't see how it's not fair. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:35 akalarry wrote: This is not an advantage that only the WB gets. It's equal to everyone else, but everyone else already used that advantage up. So i don't see how it's not fair. And because he didn't use it up, he gets awarded 1 win. Call it that the WB is fighting for that 1 win in the finals and playing fewer games if you will. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
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Bortlett
United States302 Posts
I think something like double elim bracket to 16 players, which are then placed in a single elim bracket, would be better. People from the winners bracket get byes in the new single elim bracket. This is sort of like what MLG does with a championship bracket but less bullshit. Overall though I think pool play into a single elim bracket is better. | ||
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Quesa
United States304 Posts
On August 15 2011 23:06 MisterTea wrote: the guy in the winners bracket has already beaten the previous guy 2-1 or 2-0 and deservers the upper hand, just like the guy in the losers bracket got an extra life and fought all the way to the finals , in the end the better player will win and there's nothing wrong with double elim At Anaheim, MMA never lost a game in the brackets prior to the grand final, he lost one pool game (not to MVP) which sent him into the 'Championship' bracket in the second place slot. MVP could have lost a game to anyone other than Ganzi and would have still had a two match advantage over MMA by virtue of his pool. | ||
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Lunchador
United States776 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:14 ProxyKnoxy wrote: He doesn't? :o Surely only having to win one Bo3 compared to the two of the other is an advantage over the other? You're right in it's an advantage. You're absolutely incorrect in that it's unfair. | ||
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Lunchador
United States776 Posts
If you want grand finals to be a single Bo7 or 9 with both players starting at 0, guess what? That's what's called a single elimination tournament. But you should realize that there's a far greater chance of getting one-sided finals that way (see GSL). I will vomit if you praise the NASL final tournament format because it's the exact same thing as GSL, only that NASL got extremely lucky that two good players really did make it to the grand finals. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
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