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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On August 15 2011 03:33 Doodsmack wrote: Do the people advocating LAN in this thread support use of the LAN hack as a means of "convincing" Blizzard? No, but I don't support the reasoning of "We don't want to spend time finding a proper way to get LAN for tournaments so guess we'll just remove it." | ||
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
At least now Blizzard has no excuse for not having LAN. Not that their excuse was valid in the first place. You're right. Preventing people all over the world from paying nothing for using your product you worked on for 5+ years is not a valid reason at all. I don't get why they don't just let people directly download games for free off of the developers website, it's not like those people need money, right? Because Blizzard has removed LAN, and people have developed a LAN hack, it means that those who are less willing to pay with their money will have a greater product than the customer... That is so retarded. Not really, they won't have good dedicated matchmaking or access to most maps, they'll just have LAN hosted on small, laggy servers or LAN with a couple of friends at LAN parties, anything big (as big as iCCup) will be immediately taken down by blizzard. The only thing I can really see this changing is the Chinese/Korean scene, which might lock itself away from the world yet again by hosting their tournaments through LAN (as blizzard really has no power there). I can really only see this being bad for e-sports. No, but I don't support the reasoning of "We don't want to spend time finding a proper way to get LAN for tournaments so guess we'll just remove it." They're afraid of it leaking. Not too lazy to make it. Should be pretty obvious. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On August 15 2011 03:31 Topdoller wrote: You mean the same pros who were earning 50 bucks in a LAN tourney before SC2 came along, who now have the chance to win upto 50K .No one still haven't had anyone support their argument by naming the players. I must say I have a very hard time understanding what point you're trying to make, maybe I'm stupid. So because they have a chance of winning 50k (which happens at a live event with no need for online play at all) there is no reason to have LAN, or what? | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 15 2011 03:31 Topdoller wrote: You mean the same pros who were earning 50 bucks in a LAN tourney before SC2 came along, who now have the chance to win upto 50K .No one still haven't had anyone support their argument by naming the players. Liquid`Jinro said Fuck you, add LAN That's 1 of 400 | ||
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RoyalCheese
Czech Republic745 Posts
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jazzbassmatt
United States566 Posts
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
Also Topdoller is a morron | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On August 15 2011 01:49 ImsorryKarelyn wrote: Anyone care to enlighten me on blizzard's stance on no LAN for sc2 beside piracy? I haven't been keeping up with all the news looked into deeply with blizzard's history but hasn't recently Diablo 3 will support cash auction system where they stated in the video interview that "it gonna happen anyway might as well us do it" (not direct quote but somewhere along that line). I'm all at loss with blizzard's philosophy approach right now. Was it all just bs just to maximize profits? According to their statements (about DIII for example) they have said that their goal is to sort of create a centralized platform where people can play together...so it's sort of like the new shit with Facebook/Twitter etc. Everyone should be online while playing etc.. | ||
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PapeSoul
Canada8 Posts
Those individual who are crying the most to use LAN are probably folks who wants to play with their friends without buying the game. In tournaments environment however, I think that LAN would be best. What blizzard should do imo is just set up a private Bnet server for tournament that they sponsor like MLG, Blizzcon, GSL. If the server is in the same network as the player it will be basically like LAN. | ||
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Quagmire
Ireland50 Posts
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
Pretty silly how they wont answer anything and Europe hardly have any active mods :< blizzard hates LAN | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On August 15 2011 03:43 Sneakyz wrote: I must say I have a very hard time understanding what point you're trying to make, maybe I'm stupid. So because they have a chance of winning 50k (which happens at a live event with no need for online play at all) there is no reason to have LAN, or what? I understand your argument for Pro Tourneys to have LAN. The problem is if Blizzard developed a separate version it would be stolen and released within days, movies are hacked and released weeks before their official release. Improving the DND in BNET will help with lag spikes where the player is spammed. Most tourneys now use dedicated accounts to get around this problem anyways. Long term it is better that all the games and community stay with BNET. Its the focal point for ladder play, its reasonably hack free. Don't forget Blizzard need to make money to support this game (£100 million to develop and create it?) and maintain the servers patching etc. PC gaming is dying a death due to pirating . Steam and BNET etc are the only way game companies will stay with the PC format. Do you really want to see SC2 on XBOX only . Square Enix tried that with Supreme Commander and it was a disaster. I hope this explains how i feel. Its not some random rant | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
incontrol, Day9 (yes, even Day9), JP (not a pro, just an influential voice), IdrA, Artosis, Tyler, Jinro, TLO, and so on. SEVERAL people have you given you names, and even links to interviews where those named people SAY it. You're just refusing to admit you're wrong. EDIT: I'm responding primarily to your insistence that pros don't think there should be LAN. That's just absolutely false. Your argument about whether there should be a LAN version, whether pros want it or otherwise, is a separate issue that maybe you're not necessarily wrong about. But the current situation, for eSPORTS, is not the solution. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Only problem was often when they did it for the first time, which is a bit meh for starting events, but who needs lan there, stream is dead as well when the internet goes poof  .The only good point of lan is that there is less delay, the problem is if you can't train in lan enviroment, it won't do anything good if the tournament uses lan delay instead of bnet delay :3. So if they would sweep in lan for everyone, the houses could train in lan. Would fail at online tournaments but roflstomp at offline tournaments. At the end using one delay gives us more fun games :3. (well can't do anything about the regions). I don't mind lan delay really, it makes some micro moves possible, that are impossible without, so it looks cooler sometimes. But sc2 don't really need it. Getting used to one continual same lag is easier then switching lags all the time ^.^ | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:02 zarepath wrote: If you've watched any SotG (especially from last year), any time they rehash a tournament where there were problems (GOM World Championships, Blizzcon 2010, MLG Dallas, and several more) every host and guest has agreed that Blizzard should add LAN. incontrol, Day9 (yes, even Day9), JP (not a pro, just an influential voice), IdrA, Artosis, Tyler, Jinro, TLO, and so on. SEVERAL people have you given you names, and even links to interviews where those named people SAY it. You're just refusing to admit you're wrong. EDIT: I'm responding primarily to your insistence that pros don't think there should be LAN. That's just absolutely false. Your argument about whether there should be a LAN version, whether pros want it or otherwise, is a separate issue that maybe you're not necessarily wrong about. But the current situation, for eSPORTS, is not the solution. Exactly. People have just given up on mentioning it because it seems like it is a dead end. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On August 15 2011 03:31 Topdoller wrote: You mean the same pros who were earning 50 bucks in a LAN tourney before SC2 came along, who now have the chance to win upto 50K .No one still haven't had anyone support their argument by naming the players. guys stop arguing with this troll lol! People gave him names and he's still asking for them rofl. Troll on brother! | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On August 15 2011 03:52 HellKey wrote: I dream of iCCup, Brain & fish on sc2 Also Topdoller is a morron Uneducated statements like that show the value of your argument, and contribution to the forum | ||
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