On August 12 2011 09:08 Z3kk wrote: I would say that the Korean teams were in the wrong for pulling out with such late notice, but really think that NASL should consider changing the format, because it punishes just one bad series with a trip back home on a plane.
Yet they still get $1,000 for the one bad series. This has nothing to do with format and everything to do with money. Do you think that they would still be in NASL if players played a minimum of two series instead of one? I certainly dont.
It`s more like they lose close to $1,000 for a bad series, considering total travel costs.
The korean factored the risk of losing money, risk of losing the deposit, plus the difficult schedule hours and extension of tournament (this is the reason why Naniwa, HuK, NaDa and Jinro - players that can afford the ticket - stayed away from NASL) versus the prize pool and decided it was not worth it. Also, the live event from season looked awful and was run poorly, which doesn`t make NASL look professional or appealing for sponsors.
In my math, it still should be worth to play in it, so hopefully there is still time for a deal to be made.
Idk, I think NASL will lose more than the koreans for this, maybe it would be wiser to axe 10k from the prize pool and raise the stipends from 1k to 2k, plus prizes. I can`t imagine many people paying for season tickets to watch americans semi-pros, specially with IGL and IPL going already.
If season 2 is a viewer disaster, NASL will have to raise their offer. If it is a great success, koreans will still be able qualify whenever they want.
Let's not forget that the primary reason why NASL finals were so good was because the two Koreans there showed amazing games. If it weren't for the finals, I'd say (just my opinion) that S1 was at best meh and at worst a giant fail.
On August 12 2011 09:11 hdan wrote: Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
You're not at all concerned that we are essentially getting a worse product?
Not if Western tournaments are made into Korean piggy banks, I don't see teams like Dignitas or EG demanding upwards of 2k for stipends to travel.
Really?
There were plenty of calls (demands, if you will) to make Code A more accessible to foreign players because it apparently isn't appealing enough as it is. And GOM has actually responded to that by partnering with MLG and handing out invites to pretty much every notable foreigner that shows up in Korea regardless of the exchange program. Considering how brutally hard the qualifiers are, that's quite a reward in itself.
Of course, not everybody can make the same demands - there's much more weight to the demands of teams that have the best players in the world than the teams whose players mostly get rolled over every single MLG.
On August 12 2011 09:11 hdan wrote: Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
You're not at all concerned that we are essentially getting a worse product?
With the koreans out there will be a better chance that our foreign sc2 players will do better. Players we can relate too. And the skill gap between the 2 is huge, everybody see it. With koreans out the games will most likely be much much closer and therefor entertaining. So it's not really a worse product.
Well, that sucks, but oh well. This just means that we will still get tons of exciting action from the players that are playing and there will hopefully still be a big event in the end and they will not be there for it. I am sure it is difficult because flying back and forth is hard on the wallet and we know that these teams do not have a ton of money flying around, so good luck to them good luck to the NASL, and I just want to see some StarCraft man.
To be honest, i don't blame them. 2k stipend isn't even enough for a roundabout fare back to Korea, not to mention food cost, hotel cost. Most of the Korean teams only get enough sponsorship money to get essentials for many of its players, and selected ones i suppose get some salary.
On August 12 2011 10:09 BrahCJ wrote: I think this is a good thing. The chances of a North American winning the North American Star Leage have just gone up. I like to watch people Incan relate to, and someone in S.Korea who trains in a dark house 12 hours a day isn't really an "accessible" person.
I want "foreigners" to win money, so foreigners can afford to be a pro gamer. I'm all smiles! I'm glad they don't want our money! Fuck em!
What kind of racist drivel is this? The Koreans are all macrobots who slave away in dark houses and have no personality? Come on. The Koreans are better than the foreigners because they practice better and practice with better players. Quality of practice matters more than quantity
next you'll be saying we should all learn korean to make things easier for those personalityless macrobots. go team usa~
Terrible terrible terrible.... Oh wait...who cares? This tournament is the North American Starleague. It was never about the Koreans, it was about a foreigner tournament becoming as prominent as the GSL It can still do that despite the stubbornness of the Korean teams.
On August 12 2011 10:14 Teejing wrote: Poor koreans, i bet all the players wanted to play in NASL, but here comes kespa 2.0
They're just doing their job and trying to get better terms for their players, just like NASL said about SlayerS, they have no problems with players who do not wish to participate because it's inconvenient to them fiscally or because of time commitments, but these kinds of negotiations should be done well in advance of the start of the season.
On August 12 2011 09:11 hdan wrote: Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
You're not at all concerned that we are essentially getting a worse product?
Not if Western tournaments are made into Korean piggy banks, I don't see teams like Dignitas or EG demanding upwards of 2k for stipends to travel.
Really?
There were plenty of calls (demands, if you will) to make Code A more accessible to foreign players because it apparently isn't appealing enough as it is. And GOM has actually responded to that by partnering with MLG and handing out invites to pretty much every notable foreigner that shows up in Korea regardless of the exchange program. Considering how brutally hard the qualifiers are, that's quite a reward in itself.
Of course, not everybody can make the same demands - there's much more weight to the demands of teams that have the best players in the world than the teams whose players mostly get rolled over every single MLG.
Asking for invitations to Code A is rather different from asking for money.
On August 12 2011 09:11 hdan wrote: Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
You're not at all concerned that we are essentially getting a worse product?
With the koreans out there will be a better chance that our foreign sc2 players will do better. Players we can relate too. And the skill gap between the 2 is huge, everybody see it. With koreans out the games will most likely be much much closer and therefor entertaining. So it's not really a worse product.
With koreans in the games will most likely be much closer and therefor entertaining. As shown in NASL finals.
On August 12 2011 10:09 BrahCJ wrote: I think this is a good thing. The chances of a North American winning the North American Star Leage have just gone up. I like to watch people Incan relate to, and someone in S.Korea who trains in a dark house 12 hours a day isn't really an "accessible" person.
I want "foreigners" to win money, so foreigners can afford to be a pro gamer. I'm all smiles! I'm glad they don't want our money! Fuck em!
What kind of racist drivel is this? The Koreans are all macrobots who slave away in dark houses and have no personality? Come on. The Koreans are better than the foreigners because they practice better and practice with better players. Quality of practice matters more than quantity
next you'll be saying we should all learn korean to make things easier for those personalityless macrobots. go team usa~
On August 12 2011 09:11 hdan wrote: Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
You're not at all concerned that we are essentially getting a worse product?
Not if Western tournaments are made into Korean piggy banks, I don't see teams like Dignitas or EG demanding upwards of 2k for stipends to travel.
Really?
There were plenty of calls (demands, if you will) to make Code A more accessible to foreign players because it apparently isn't appealing enough as it is. And GOM has actually responded to that by partnering with MLG and handing out invites to pretty much every notable foreigner that shows up in Korea regardless of the exchange program. Considering how brutally hard the qualifiers are, that's quite a reward in itself.
Of course, not everybody can make the same demands - there's much more weight to the demands of teams that have the best players in the world than the teams whose players mostly get rolled over every single MLG.
Difference being...
if you are a korean and you are going with 3 other koreans to NASL, you know you're gonna end up in the Ro4 if you dont get cocky and you will make over 10k and you lose 5 days of your time.
If you are a foreigner, you will most likely get stomped by Koreans, made no money, and waste a lot of time, for the possibilty of 1.5k
Can you imagine all the European teams banding together to demand flights, accommodation and to not pay the bond? What is this union crap going on? Flying all 16 people who make the finals and paying for all their accommodation would really put a dent in the prize pool. Which is odd for the Koreans to want, as they have a habit of taking a large chunk of the prize pool
On August 12 2011 09:11 hdan wrote: Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
You're not at all concerned that we are essentially getting a worse product?
With the koreans out there will be a better chance that our foreign sc2 players will do better. Players we can relate too. And the skill gap between the 2 is huge, everybody see it. With koreans out the games will most likely be much much closer and therefor entertaining. So it's not really a worse product.
I find the matches more entertaining when Koreans are playing...
honestly, screw the teams. use a MLG exchange type program. you bring over 2-5 good koreans and you will get just as much views as if there were 5-6 teams of koreans. given the trend in tournaments, those 2-5 good koreans will make it to the end anyways and your viewership will soar. you can easily increase the stipend on a few players to make up for the alleged financial issues.
i still feel this is unfair to players in europe, asia, etc. I hope you will do the same for people like Sen and White-Ra because in my mind they are worth ten koreans as far as entertainment value.
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