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Most people thinks 8 hours on a good training enviroinment is pretty good, like you know, a normal job?
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Korean mechanics are way ahead of foreigners precisely because of the repetitive nature of practice. The foreigners that can macro like Koreans almost all trained in Korea. In the area of micro, Korean Terrans seem to have the best right now.
Koreans treat Starcraft like a job. They put in at least 8 hours a day and take it seriously.
Foreigners treat Starcraft like a hobby, they play as much as they feel like and often don't play seriously but just goof off on streams and such.
It's not a surprise that the people who treat Starcraft like a job are the most successful.
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On August 12 2011 07:40 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Players average game W/L ratio in 2011 (Dallas - Columbus - Anaheim)
Naniwa: 7 - 1,29 - 1,43
Idra: 1,33 - 1,25 - 2,6
Slush: 2 - 1,63 - 0,69
Kiwikaki: 3,75 - 0,8 - 1
Ret: 1,43 - 1,57 - 1,22
Select: 1,6 - 0,46 - 0,54
Sjow: 1,17 - 1 - 1,1
Huk: 0,9 - * - 2,2
Incontrol: 0,78 - 0,64 - 0,27
Haypro: 0,64 - 1 - 0,58
TLO: 1,63 - 0,27 - 0,67
Moonan: 3,33 - 0,58 - 0,67
Machine: 0,5 - 0,55 - 0,42
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And now with MLG/GSL player transfer deals the numbers are only gonna get worse.
Imo EVERYONE <1 average should be in the open bracket. Make starting pools smaller (only players with >1 average + Korean invites), and increase the max players that come from open bracket into pools to fill the pool of 20/24 players.
Why is a "losing" player getting special treatment? If they played poker they would be broke (or playing lower limits), just saying.
I like this idea a lot. Anyone under a 1 is out of pool play for the next MLG. That would be cool if they worked something around this.
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On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them.
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MVP isn't coming cause he doesn't want people seeing his gameplay during the GSL. I mean you saw what they did in the GSTL with not fielding Nestea or Losira cause they were in the GSL so this is pretty logical.
I'm thinking Bomber or Coca wins the event though. DRG is also a good choice cause you don't have MVP and MMA around to be giant walls with their flawless TvZ.
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I wish there were players from SlayerS. <3MMA
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On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
Have you ever practiced 10 hours a day? No right? so then shut up because obviously practicing a lot and working hard is working for the Koreans. It's the same reason China, Korea, and Japan have the best education systems- the people work hard and their country's are now successful.
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they could just make it so that going 0-5 gets you out of pool play.
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On August 12 2011 07:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh. It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them.
But WHY is it better? No one even says anything, to me it's pretty simple. Koreans take it as if it's their job and not just a hobby they do for 8-10 hours a day where as everyone else still has a twinge of a casual attitude towards the game during their practice.
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On August 12 2011 07:51 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh. It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them. But WHY is it better? No one even says anything, to me it's pretty simple. Koreans take it as if it's their job and not just a hobby they do for 8-10 hours a day where as everyone else still has a twinge of a casual attitude towards the game during their practice.
A whole number of things. Koreans have much easier access to replays from their scene. They have more people at their level to brainstorm strategy with. They have better practice partners. They have an environment that encourages more practice and dedication. Probably a dozen other random factors that all contribute to it. It isn't brain surgery, it's a pretty simple concept.
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On August 12 2011 07:50 mrRoflpwn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh. Have you ever practiced 10 hours a day? No right? so then shut up because obviously practicing a lot and working hard is working for the Koreans. It's the same reason China, Korea, and Japan have the best education systems- the people work hard and their country's are now successful.
Lol are you ok? Will you calm down now? Do you really believe just doing something for tons of time makes you better with no diminishing returns? There has to be a certain method and structure to it. You don't just condition yourself as a competitior by exhausting yourself every day. If I can get what you get done in less time because I practice better then that's superior. The point is that you can practice for 12 hours a day and you can still be garbage. It's how you approach your practice. Also the education system stuff came pretty far out of left field too. Most asian countries excel in mathematics for example because it's SOLELY about repetition and memorization. You can just throw hours at it and be good. SC 2 is more about decision making then mechanics still.
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On August 12 2011 07:50 radiumz0rz wrote:
I wish there were players from SlayerS. <3MMA
Now that MMA got his code S spot he wont show up because the prize pool is chump change compared to GSL, also GSL is more important to train for. We might see other SlayerS players though.
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On August 12 2011 07:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:51 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh. It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them. But WHY is it better? No one even says anything, to me it's pretty simple. Koreans take it as if it's their job and not just a hobby they do for 8-10 hours a day where as everyone else still has a twinge of a casual attitude towards the game during their practice. A whole number of things. Koreans have much easier access to replays from their scene. They have more people at their level to brainstorm strategy with. They have better practice partners. They have an environment that encourages more practice and dedication. Probably a dozen other random factors that all contribute to it. It isn't brain surgery, it's a pretty simple concept.
Oh man, who knew that access to replays was the reason why koreans are so much better than foreigners =/
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InControl and Machine are in different Pools. Could StarCraft 2 at MLG Raleigh be any more insane?
From here.
My answer, yes. Machine and InControl could not be in any pools except for the big open bracket one.
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So sad someone can go 0-5 (meanwhile anyone going from open bracket to championship losers bracket can't lose more than 2 sets the entire tournament) in pool play, winning a single game in 5 sets, then win just 1 set in losers bracket before being knocked out, and still have a spot saved in pool play.
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On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. It's pretty obvious that Koreans practice both longer and have better quality practice.
Yeah, Koreans are doing something right--they're living and practicing together in houses. Only the very best foreigners are capable of doing that, and even then it's very difficult for them to do so. Hence the enormous depth of the Korean talent pool relative to the foreign one. If a Korean and a foreigner practice 10 hours a day, the Korean will be better because he's practicing with other top Koreans, whereas the foreigner is probably laddering.
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Oh shit DRG at raleigh, i fucking need to get there now. So close but so far.
Him to rape his group harder than he did at Anaheim
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LOL DongRaeGu coming on his own. Awesome. This time he won't have to jump MMA, MVP, and Boxer. Might have some trouble with Rain and Bomber though.
DRG wins MLG Raleigh. Calling it.
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On August 12 2011 07:55 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans? Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best. aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand. If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication. Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. It's pretty obvious that Koreans practice both longer and have better quality practice. Yeah, Koreans are doing something right--they're living and practicing together in houses. Only the very best foreigners are capable of doing that, and even then it's very difficult for them to do so. Hence the enormous depth of the Korean talent pool relative to the foreign one. If a Korean and a foreigner practice 10 hours a day, the Korean will be better because he's practicing with other top Koreans, whereas the foreigner is probably laddering.
It's true. Idra practicing with the likes of Machine is sooo different from Losira practicing with Nestea, for example. A bit exaggerated examples but, think the point is made.
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