The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Let's take a look at what we have here. The only PvP is in Pool A, where the aforementioned battle between Naniwa and Huk will take place, with InControl as a possible spoiler. Pool B is a ZvT fest, and there is absolutely no ZvP for Idra to worry about. The race spread in Pool C is decently balanced, and LiquidTLO will have another chance to beat DRG, after losing to him in the first match of Anaheim. In Pool D, the received wisdom might be that LiquidRet will slaughter everyone (except Nada), given how he's been playing lately, but all the other players in Pool D are capable of taking him down, if they keep their heads. However it plays out, Pool Play in Raleigh is going to offer some very interesting games indeed.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
Damn, I cant beleive for the 2nd str8 MLG machine and iNcontrol aren't gunna play each other
Honestly, Bomber in my eyes is one of the best players with amazing all around mechanics. He proved to all of us how good he is in dreamhack when he beat MC, and in GSL as well. I hope he comeds out #1 !
The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
Damn, I cant beleive for the 2nd str8 MLG machine and iNcontrol aren't gunna play each other
LOL how is that even a story line anymore now that Koreans are going to every single MLG and just dominating
Why did MVP choose not to come when a bunch of other players still in Code S did?
Does MVP have enough seed points to be seeded into Providence, is that why he doesn't bother coming back for a chance at $5000 and instead is focusing on Code S?
The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
do not worry, there is always the championship bracket, also there is still an EG teamkill (machine/idra)...and another liquid teamkill too it looks like (ret/sheth) Damn, I cant beleive for the 2nd str8 MLG machine and iNcontrol aren't gunna play each other
MMA and MVP are probably safe for the Providence grand finals seed even if they don't show up to Raleigh or Orlando, that's probably why they aren't bothering with these $5000 tournaments when they could be focusing on Code S.
On August 12 2011 06:18 MrMotionPicture wrote: Guess this means MMA is not coming back this time around. Good games nonetheless!
It's possible we could still see some SlayerS players showing up in the open bracket. They had Alicia and Ganzi both come and it worked out pretty well for Ganzi. Alicia not so much, lol.
It'll be pretty great. Hopefully I don't have a lot of school work to be doing that weekend. :[ And we'll see if the EG house has shown any improvement in Inc or Idra's play. It's still a little early to be calling it but I can hope.
NADA!!! Tester and CoCa are also really good invites imo. Also isnt Tester TricKsteR nowdays? I heard Trickster said that he hates his old name Tester lol
EDIT: Wow didnt see DRG is also there! Going to be soooo sick
On August 12 2011 06:22 Nightrain wrote: I can't believe how some of those players are still in the pool every event even tho they are losing almost all their games.
That doesn't bother me as much as how they're earning points for losing all their games that will seed them into Providence.
I can see Pool D ending up with a non-Korean holding the #1 spot in the pool for Championship Bracket
think Nada does well when he can prepare for a specific player/matchup, but isn't nearly as good when he has to play multiple match ups versus different players (Assembly)
pool a is so close. i hope huk will win this one. pool b seems neat since bombers worst matchup is tvz. i hope idra gets first or second. pool c is just sad. drg is gonna get first and the one from the open bracket will become second. all but drg are in a slump or not at the level of the others that play in pool pool d will be won by ret. nada second. sheth 3rd kiwi 4th and the other guy wont eve get a map
i hope tyler, jinro, major and herO will advance from the open bracket - there arent many ppl that were announced that come from korea
and i have to say this: im sooo glad that drewbie etc dropped out of the pool play. when moonan will dop out of it ill be a lot more happy. this was so undeserving
I'm surprised none of the SlayerS terrans decided to show up. Otherwise, nice for NaDa and Tester/Trickster/CoCa. I hope Jinro/Tyler can make it to Pool Play again. Liquid fighting!
On August 12 2011 06:24 Kentakky wrote: So NaDa got invited with airfare and all that good jazz so does this mean it's still the oGsNaDa and not the SK.NaDa?
In essence, yes. But SK's contract states that he would represent them in all tournaments outside of Korea, regardless of how and who gets him there.
The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
Damn, I cant beleive for the 2nd str8 MLG machine and iNcontrol aren't gunna play each other
Plenty of time for 0-5 players to play eachother in the loser's bracket.
I love Nada, so I'm glad he's going... and glad DongRaeGu is going back. Raleigh is a long-ass way from Korea, so I'm kinda surprised so many Koreans are going. Seoul to LAX is like 10.5 hours and a direct flight. Seoul to Raleigh requires at least one stop and probably takes almost twice as long. Not surprised that Boxer and MMA aren't making that trip.
Glad to see Coca and Tester out there, the lesser hyped Koreans deserve more recognition. Both are great players, I'm sure they'll be stomping foreigners left and right!
Coca in group full of foreigner toss? It's gonna be a massacre. I Think DRG will wins this time and get code s spot. He is better than everyone listed in pool play. DRG fighting.
1st seed is really not furfilling its purpose at the moment. Naniwa constantly ends up in the hardest group. Huk, Coca, Rain and he almost got Ret too. I'm glad to see Dr. G back aswell.
DRG should top C and the other Korean invites should win their respective groups, Huk and Naniwa are good, but with CoCa's ZvP he was probably the 2nd worst player, after Bomber, to get in a group.
Isn't this also the last chance for a non-code S player, that has not made the up & downs, to get a Korean Blizzcon spot?
DRG is obviously front runner to get it at the moment, but the competition from Korean's in the open bracket will be fierce. A lot of them will want that chance.
On August 12 2011 06:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: finally somewhat decent (not great) groups for us
You one player in every group, no clue how much better it could get. Perhaps if all koreans would be put into one group of their own so foreigner at least have a minimal chance at the prizepoo or a group with 5 liquid guys, so at least one is guaranteed a top6? ;p
The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
Damn, I cant beleive for the 2nd str8 MLG machine and iNcontrol aren't gunna play each other
yeah because thats what we all are excited for when it comes to MLG's!?!? Machine vs Incontrol
pardon my ignorance if im being an idiot - but the championship pools often seem so similar to the previous event. which makes me sad. by nature of the way the event works, anyone in the pools is very likely to end up ranked very well (in comparison to all the winners/losers bracket players). therefore, it seems a little stagnant for each new MLG event to have almost exactly the same pools. should players like incontrol and machine who go 0-5 in the pool then shortly after drop out of the championship pool deserve a place? players like whitera worked all the way through the winners and losers bracket and dont get a place
Oh man Group A: Naniwa and Huk together again, but this time with Rain and Coca who have exceptional X v P. Wouldn't be surprised if both Protoss don't take the top spots.
Group B is interesting as arguably Bombers weakest MU is zerg even though his win rate is 70 percent. If zerg play their cards right they could give a run for his money, but overall Bomber will take this group.
Group C no question that DRG will take this group. In regards to Tester he has not impressed me with his caliber of play in Code S, and the fact he got ousted early in the NASL opener or qualifier, I couldn't remember what it was. If somehow his switch to ST improves his play and he can pull a Boxer, then I'll give him credit but I think Select will take second.
Group D. I am going to say Nada is not the favorite to win the group, his MU with zerg is his weakest with Ret coming off a fresh EU.Blizzard win. Looking at Kiwikaki and Moonan their winrate vs Terran will give Nada nightmares. This group is anyone's for the taking.
In the final rankings expect to see Top 4 Koreans again, most likely DRG given Code S either winning MLG or every other Korean is ineligible/already in Code S.
Hmmm personally I think that most of these groups are very even. There is no OUTSTANDING group of the 4. However, if I had to chose the hardest group, I'd probably go with Group A because of HuK, Naniwa, and Rain.
On August 12 2011 06:29 TalonSix2000 wrote: Is T-ZaiN ever competing in an MLG again?
Open bracket apparently is run so it is pretty hard to get adequate toilet and refreshment breaks, problems with getting food because you have to be on standby, and just generally really bad playing conditions. That's the impression I've got from reading a few blogs about it.
Clearly the pools are fake. Incontrol is always supposed to face Machine in group play. Just like the SC2 patches, its not real w/o bunker changes, this isn't real w/o machine vs incontrol in group play.
In all seriousness I hope the foreigners do well and maybe take a spot in top 5? Maybe too wishful?
I'm not liking the whole Huk and Nani in the same group thing....it's getting stale. I like HuK more, but I know Nani is going to absorb a lot from staying in Korea. Guess we'll have to see. I don't know if I can't wait T.T
Anybody else feel as if mlg should copy gsl in group selection? I think that would allow the first seed the easiest group, or at least 1 guaranteed easy game. And the #1-4 could select which korean they have to play after all the other 16 people are divided into groups. I really think that this would make it easier for the #1 player.
On August 12 2011 06:24 Tppz! wrote: pool a is so close. i hope huk will win this one. pool b seems neat since bombers worst matchup is tvz. i hope idra gets first or second. pool c is just sad. drg is gonna get first and the one from the open bracket will become second. all but drg are in a slump or not at the level of the others that play in pool pool d will be won by ret. nada second. sheth 3rd kiwi 4th and the other guy wont eve get a map
i hope tyler, jinro, major and herO will advance from the open bracket - there arent many ppl that were announced that come from korea
and i have to say this: im sooo glad that drewbie etc dropped out of the pool play. when moonan will dop out of it ill be a lot more happy. this was so undeserving
moonan won alot of games dude!! He is with FXO and has had alot of practice! I dont know what you are talking about!
On August 12 2011 06:32 Jtom wrote: Coca is going to crush his group, he has the best zvp in the world.
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa... that's a pretty big claim. Losira and Nestea are still alive. Coca has really good ZvP but best in the world? He's definitely up there
Nice to see Liquid seperated FINALLY. Pool A should finally see Incontrol out of the championship bracket and shame for HuK and Nani to meet again ><. The rest of the groups seem pretty equal
On August 12 2011 06:29 DrBeansy wrote: pardon my ignorance if im being an idiot - but the championship pools often seem so similar to the previous event. which makes me sad. by nature of the way the event works, anyone in the pools is very likely to end up ranked very well (in comparison to all the winners/losers bracket players). therefore, it seems a little stagnant for each new MLG event to have almost exactly the same pools. should players like incontrol and machine who go 0-5 in the pool then shortly after drop out of the championship pool deserve a place? players like whitera worked all the way through the winners and losers bracket and dont get a place
If they dont do well in Raleigh, chances are that they are out for the next event.
On August 12 2011 06:33 Xinder wrote: Clearly the pools are fake. Incontrol is always supposed to face Machine in group play. Just like the SC2 patches, its not real w/o bunker changes, this isn't real w/o machine vs incontrol in group play.
In all seriousness I hope the foreigners do well and maybe take a spot in top 5? Maybe too wishful?
Oh yeah I cant wait for the High level gameplay. We are going to get from that epic epic Match-up that is InControl vs Machine
On August 12 2011 06:33 Xinder wrote: Clearly the pools are fake. Incontrol is always supposed to face Machine in group play. Just like the SC2 patches, its not real w/o bunker changes, this isn't real w/o machine vs incontrol in group play.
In all seriousness I hope the foreigners do well and maybe take a spot in top 5? Maybe too wishful?
Oh yeah I cant wait for the High level gameplay. We are going to get from that epic epic Match-up that is InControl vs Machine
/ sarcasm
He was joking about the fact that iNc and Machine almost always have to teamkill each other. Leave the player-bashing out of it.
So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot?? and whatever koreans come from the open bracket of course
I think this MLG will have great foreigner hopes. We don't have slayers Terrans coming over and no IM monsters. Nada didn't play well at assembly or NASL so he may struggle with the foreign play style. Coca doesn't seem that impressive outside of ZvP and his failures in tl opens suggests he may have trouble. Tester hasn't impressed me lately. Bomber is going to win the tournament unless DRG knocks him out.
Gom is making it obvious that they want DRG in code S by inviting pure code S players so no other code B player is going to take his prize.
On August 12 2011 06:33 Encrypto wrote: Tester's gonna be there! No Tyler?
Tyler is 2 spots short of a spot in Raleigh unfortunately.
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot?? and whatever koreans come from the open bracket of course
Only Korean players can earn a code S spot at MLG.
How can people think Ret is going to beat NaDa. like whaaaa?
NaDa...the guy who gets Ro8 or Ro4 pretty much EVERY GSL. The most consistent SC1 player and one of, if not the most consistent SC2 player is going to blow away his group easy.
On August 12 2011 06:29 TalonSix2000 wrote: Is T-ZaiN ever competing in an MLG again?
Open bracket apparently is run so it is pretty hard to get adequate toilet and refreshment breaks, problems with getting food because you have to be on standby, and just generally really bad playing conditions. That's the impression I've got from reading a few blogs about it.
I think he has overreacted to one bad experience and it's a shame.
Awesome job Gom and MLG Nice to see DRG again as well as some "new blood" in Coca. I'm also really really curious to see how is Tester going to do... Cannot wait for the next MLG!
On August 12 2011 06:33 Xinder wrote: Clearly the pools are fake. Incontrol is always supposed to face Machine in group play. Just like the SC2 patches, its not real w/o bunker changes, this isn't real w/o machine vs incontrol in group play.
In all seriousness I hope the foreigners do well and maybe take a spot in top 5? Maybe too wishful?
Oh yeah I cant wait for the High level gameplay. We are going to get from that epic epic Match-up that is InControl vs Machine
/ sarcasm
He was joking about the fact that iNc and Machine almost always have to teamkill each other. Leave the player-bashing out of it.
Player bashing? I dunno what you read but wher did I bash on any player! I find it weird that when looking at the player pool and all the talent there is he would want to see a InControl vs Machine match. Thats just imho
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for *1 more season.
It's going to be all but impossible for a foreigner to finish even in the top 3 at this MLG, I believe!! Still, we should have some amazing games. It's going to be a really nice spread of good zergs, terrans, and quite a few protoss competing.
On August 12 2011 06:38 SidianTheBard wrote: How can people think Ret is going to beat NaDa. like whaaaa?
NaDa...the guy who gets Ro8 or Ro4 pretty much EVERY GSL. The most consistent SC1 player and one of, if not the most consistent SC2 player is going to blow away his group easy.
He lost two Elfi and Mana in Assembly, so him losing to a good zerg isn't that far fetched, don't you think
Its sad that the foreigner scene is poorly represented, its basically EG + Liquid (those that still have seeds) and whoever else has been to an MLG in the past. Other than Dignitas there is a huge dearth of European players not on those two teams, who arguably would give better competition at the moment than some of the seeded players.
I feel like there is a big penalty still lingering from season 1 of Starcraft when European teams couldn't afford to send and home players for these events, at least not en masse, and its still punishing them to this day. It's pretty silly to invest $1,000+ in sending each player from europe just to enter an open bracket too.
I understand the need for seeding, but really the end result has to be that the best players are seeded and not the result we have at the moment - just seedings for those on the richest teams who have a history of placing in the bottom half on multipe events and have sub 40% winrates in their pro careers.
Its not a personal attack on anyone or team, but I would love to see the best foreigners play the korean invites, and that simply isn't happening.
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
The StarCraft 2 pro roster is locked, and we have our Top 20 and Pool lineup for Raleigh. And…well, to put it mildly, this is going to be interesting. MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, separate from the four players invited through the League Exchange, and so have been seeded according to their Rank Points. We have STBomber, ZeNex CoCa, STTester, and none other than oGsNada confirmed as our GSL pro players. And Naniwa and Huk are in the same Pool.
Note about tiebreakers: Huk and InControl had the same number of Rank Points going into this Event. By rule, ties between pro players are broken by their performance in the previous Event; therefore, Huk is seeded higher.
Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed.
Damn, I cant beleive for the 2nd str8 MLG machine and iNcontrol aren't gunna play each other
Yeah. Another MLG where neither of them will be able to win a single match in group play ;(
A statement on why MVP is not coming back would be nice, considering he was confirmed by mr. chae already.
It is great to see players like Rain and DRG come back, I think MLG should really give themselves a pat on the back for having Koreans come through other ways that are not the league exchange program. Korean players are definitely seeing the excitement that an event like MLG brings and they want to be a part of that, even if it meas potentially losing money.
On August 12 2011 06:38 SidianTheBard wrote: How can people think Ret is going to beat NaDa. like whaaaa?
NaDa...the guy who gets Ro8 or Ro4 pretty much EVERY GSL. The most consistent SC1 player and one of, if not the most consistent SC2 player is going to blow away his group easy.
Yea, like Assembly.....
In all seriousness tho, I think Nada is the favourite to get out of tht group but i could see him losing some games in tht group and maybe even a match. Nada has shown some sloppy play recently in his Ro32 matches and at Assembly. Of course, he is still Nada.
I hope to see how Idra (and the rest of EG) improved due to the team house, I also want to see QXC and the rest of FXO going at it again, they imrpoved a lot by being in Korea, and I hope that the extra month will show dividends.
On August 12 2011 06:41 setzer wrote: A statement on why MVP is not coming back would be nice, considering he was confirmed by mr. chae already.
It is great to see players like Rain and DRG come back, I think MLG should really give themselves a pat on the back for having Koreans come through other ways that are not the league exchange program. Korean players are definitely seeing the excitement that an event like MLG brings and they want to be a part of that, even if it meas potentially losing money.
He wants to focus on GSL, not that strange. It's also not out of this world that he can beat Nestea and advance to the finals, especially after Nestea's loss to MMA and barely making it out because Happy ran over banes, shows he's not unbeatable and MVP has great TvZ. Makes sense for him to not come.
On August 12 2011 06:41 setzer wrote: A statement on why MVP is not coming back would be nice, considering he was confirmed by mr. chae already.
It is great to see players like Rain and DRG come back, I think MLG should really give themselves a pat on the back for having Koreans come through other ways that are not the league exchange program. Korean players are definitely seeing the excitement that an event like MLG brings and they want to be a part of that, even if it meas potentially losing money.
Well technically rain is living in new york now so he's actually going to be in a lot more foreign events i think... and DRG coming probably has a lot to do with being apart of complexity now. it is pretty awesome though that they're coming.
would be nice to see slayers coming back on their own.
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
You have to place top 3 for a code S spot. So if DRG is 4th, and 1-3 has code S, he still wouldn't get it.
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
Rain can play in the next GSL
Well I now read he was only banned for 2 GSL Seasons. But since he skipped the opening GSL Code S July ceremony, didn't his banned begin until GSL Code S August?
On August 12 2011 06:29 TalonSix2000 wrote: Is T-ZaiN ever competing in an MLG again?
Open bracket apparently is run so it is pretty hard to get adequate toilet and refreshment breaks, problems with getting food because you have to be on standby, and just generally really bad playing conditions. That's the impression I've got from reading a few blogs about it.
I think he has overreacted to one bad experience and it's a shame.
Yeah. He went through the open bracket in Dallas, which was probably the worst event, especcially for those in the open bracket.
The problem is that by not going to Anaheim he lost his seed, so now he has to go through the open bracket if he decides to go again, and with the open bracket getting harder each event I can't see him going through it again this season if he turned down a seeded place already.
Or it could be Mousesports. It seems odd that Morrow hasn't come since Dallas either, but maybe they both just didn't enjoy it.
MVP already has pocket change! He doesn't need to go to MLG to fetch more. He tried this foreign thing once and it was way too easy! So he decided to stay in Korea and not let his skill decline by playing inferior players like MC did lately...
On August 12 2011 06:44 dsll wrote: Does anyone know why MMA isnt coming?
He's still in GSL, same with Mvp they're playing at the same time as MLG is and they have good chances at winning GSL + really tough opponents. Polt for MMA and Nestea for Mvp so, can't blame them for not giving an rat's ass for some 5k dollars on the other side of the world.
On August 12 2011 06:20 Zzoram wrote: Why did MVP choose not to come when a bunch of other players still in Code S did?
Does MVP have enough seed points to be seeded into Providence, is that why he doesn't bother coming back for a chance at $5000 and instead is focusing on Code S?
His next opponent is Nestea....yeah leaving and not practicing....sounds good to me :\
The koreans this time are somewhat weaker than the previous occasions so this is the best chance foreigners will have to beat them - bomber himslef has said that tvz is not his strong matchup so idra has a good chance of beating him and taking rank 1 in that group. Also what happened to MVP i thought they said that the winner is always invited back??
On August 12 2011 06:22 turamn wrote: MLGLee Lee Chen MVP declined his invite. We wish him the best of luck in #GSL Code S and hope to see him soon at #MLG. @draxtar86
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
Rain can play in the next GSL
Rain does NOT want to play in the GSL... thats why he LEFT- he lives in New York now and studies at some Ivy league school like a boss. So obviously even if rain gets the code S spot- he will refuse it- stop being retarded people.
On August 12 2011 06:20 Zzoram wrote: Why did MVP choose not to come when a bunch of other players still in Code S did?
Does MVP have enough seed points to be seeded into Providence, is that why he doesn't bother coming back for a chance at $5000 and instead is focusing on Code S?
His next opponent is Nestea....yeah leaving and not practicing....sounds good to me :\
This is actually INSANE the amount of skill in this tournament all-around is amazing its going to be yet another great tournament lets see some epic games and great upsets! :D
On August 12 2011 06:29 TalonSix2000 wrote: Is T-ZaiN ever competing in an MLG again?
Open bracket apparently is run so it is pretty hard to get adequate toilet and refreshment breaks, problems with getting food because you have to be on standby, and just generally really bad playing conditions. That's the impression I've got from reading a few blogs about it.
I think he has overreacted to one bad experience and it's a shame.
Yeah. He went through the open bracket in Dallas, which was probably the worst event, especcially for those in the open bracket.
The problem is that by not going to Anaheim he lost his seed, so now he has to go through the open bracket if he decides to go again, and with the open bracket getting harder each event I can't see him going through it again this season if he turned down a seeded place already.
Or it could be Mousesports. It seems odd that Morrow hasn't come since Dallas either, but maybe they both just didn't enjoy it.
There's plenty of weekly cups and tournaments in Europe to play in if they want to play tournaments. It almost seems wasteful to spend thousands of dollars to fly over to America for MLG. Gamescom is next week so maybe they don't want to play in a tournament every weekend.
On August 12 2011 06:29 TalonSix2000 wrote: Is T-ZaiN ever competing in an MLG again?
Open bracket apparently is run so it is pretty hard to get adequate toilet and refreshment breaks, problems with getting food because you have to be on standby, and just generally really bad playing conditions. That's the impression I've got from reading a few blogs about it.
I think he has overreacted to one bad experience and it's a shame.
Yeah. He went through the open bracket in Dallas, which was probably the worst event, especcially for those in the open bracket.
The problem is that by not going to Anaheim he lost his seed, so now he has to go through the open bracket if he decides to go again, and with the open bracket getting harder each event I can't see him going through it again this season if he turned down a seeded place already.
Or it could be Mousesports. It seems odd that Morrow hasn't come since Dallas either, but maybe they both just didn't enjoy it.
I mean it's very expensive and a huge hassle to try to make it through the Open Bracket with all that discomfort for what is at the end of the day scant chance for reward in terms of seeding points, prize money, so it's quite an understandable position to at least weigh the pros and cons of returning from Europe for the Open Bracket.
So MMA was invited even though he would've come with his own (sponsor's) funds, hence occupied one invitational spot needlessly, but this time MVP is not invited because he comes on his own funds and thus does not occupy a slot? Can anybody explain that to me?? And machine>rain make me sad. Too bad the rules say so, why not decide by past finishing like "pro"-player if tie between online points??
Nevertheless definitely looking forward to this event, but I hope somebody can answer.
On August 12 2011 06:52 CeriseCherries wrote: Heh, these Koreans don't look as scary. I'm looking for DRG to take this one as no one seems to be spectacular this time around -.-
Huk should take his group, IdrA has it easy but for Bomber -.-
IdrA has actually been practicing the full 8 hours/day now and I assume PuMa will be flown in a week or two before MLG to train with the team as well.
On August 12 2011 06:52 JustPassingBy wrote: So MMA was invited even though he would've come with his own (sponsor's) funds, hence occupied one invitational spot needlessly, but this time MVP is not invited because he comes on his own funds and thus does not occupy a slot? Can anybody explain that to me?? And machine>rain make me sad. Too bad the rules say so, why not decide by past finishing like "pro"-player if tie between online points??
Nevertheless definitely looking forward to this event, but I hope somebody can answer.
MVP is not coming. DRG plays for the team MVP who has a partnership with complexity.
On August 12 2011 06:52 JustPassingBy wrote: So MMA was invited even though he would've come with his own (sponsor's) funds, hence occupied one invitational spot needlessly, but this time MVP is not invited because he comes on his own funds and thus does not occupy a slot? Can anybody explain that to me?? And machine>rain make me sad. Too bad the rules say so, why not decide by past finishing like "pro"-player if tie between online points??
Nevertheless definitely looking forward to this event, but I hope somebody can answer.
I have absolutely no idea what you just wrote.
But pretty sure MMA and Mvp declined because there's nothing for them at MLG, thus they rather focus on GSL. Both have extremely good chances of winning this season.
On August 12 2011 06:29 TalonSix2000 wrote: Is T-ZaiN ever competing in an MLG again?
Open bracket apparently is run so it is pretty hard to get adequate toilet and refreshment breaks, problems with getting food because you have to be on standby, and just generally really bad playing conditions. That's the impression I've got from reading a few blogs about it.
I think he has overreacted to one bad experience and it's a shame.
Yeah. He went through the open bracket in Dallas, which was probably the worst event, especcially for those in the open bracket.
The problem is that by not going to Anaheim he lost his seed, so now he has to go through the open bracket if he decides to go again, and with the open bracket getting harder each event I can't see him going through it again this season if he turned down a seeded place already.
Or it could be Mousesports. It seems odd that Morrow hasn't come since Dallas either, but maybe they both just didn't enjoy it.
Wow, pool A and B are fucking brutal. >.> Hopefully a foreigner can finally fucking kick some Korean ass. Also, anyone notice the korean lineup this MLG isn't nearly as awesome as Anaheim's? Btw, WE WANT NESTEA AT MLG!
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
Rain can play in the next GSL
Well I now read he was only banned for 2 GSL Seasons. But since he skipped the opening GSL Code S July ceremony, didn't his banned begin until GSL Code S August?
Are you stupid- Rain left Codes S GSL because he wanted to move to New York to study and play in foreign tournaments. He obviously has no plan of returning to Code S anytime soon. FFS people...
On August 12 2011 06:56 HaRveHHH wrote: Idras ZvZ and ZvT are pretty good, and he said that Bomber didnt seem threatening at columbus (b4 MC replaced him) so imma hoping he goes far.
Keep in mind that people said Boxer was the worst korean out there and we all know what happened. Also I remember some certain Incontrol saying that Losira isn't a threat really, as I recall he lost to this same Losira who was playing with just mouse only.
Excited to see Nada in the pool, along with only one other korean T, the TvT really started to kill me at the end last time, as neat of a match up as it can be it just got tiring (and boxer fiinally got knocked out lol)
Also I can't believe the option was there to put incontrol and machine in the same group and MLG decided not to with 'randomization'
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
Rain can play in the next GSL
Rain does NOT want to play in the GSL... thats why he LEFT- he lives in New York now and studies at some Ivy league school like a boss. So obviously even if rain gets the code S spot- he will refuse it- stop being retarded people.
Perhaps try reading the post you quoted, and the post it quoted. He was responding to the claim that Rain was banned for 1 year.
I hope this doesn't mean that Ro16 Code S games between people like Mvp and Nestea are casted by someone else. Last time Wolf/Moletrap ruined Nestea vs Bomber for me =/
On August 12 2011 06:56 Liudo wrote: One of the most interesting things about this MLG will be the opportunity to see if any of that EG training programme yields any results.
I think it is far to early to say that, as the only started 2-3 weeks ago while Koreans are doing that far longer. But I'm hoping for the best
Glad MMA chose to sit it out. He already took MLG for all its worth and should now focus on his Code S run, which after beating Nestea is very promising, so long as he can take down Optimus, and I'm sure he is pumped as hell for the opportunity.
On August 12 2011 06:37 elbooN wrote: So if I'm reading this right a foreigner pretty much just has to finish above DRG to get the code-s spot??
Pretty Much or another Korean that isn't in Code S(Liquid Hero). Every other Korean will already be in Code S assuming Tester doesn't play in the up/down matches and Rain is banned from GSL for 1 year.
Rain can play in the next GSL
Rain does NOT want to play in the GSL... thats why he LEFT- he lives in New York now and studies at some Ivy league school like a boss. So obviously even if rain gets the code S spot- he will refuse it- stop being retarded people.
Perhaps try reading the post you quoted, and the post it quoted. He was responding to the claim that Rain was banned for 1 year.
"Stop being retarded", indeed.
its acutally 2 gsl not 1 year, so if he wants to, Rain can attend GSl august.
According to @PlayXP_Ethan, Rain has been suspended by #GSL for 2 seasons by not attending the July opening ceremony.
On August 12 2011 06:56 Liudo wrote: One of the most interesting things about this MLG will be the opportunity to see if any of that EG training programme yields any results.
Not sure if troll or not..
But yeah it will be interesting to see how they'll do. I just don't see foreigners doing good without proper korean like training.
I hope this doesn't mean that Ro16 Code S games between people like Mvp and Nestea are casted by someone else. Last time Wolf/Moletrap ruined Nestea vs Bomber for me =/
On August 12 2011 06:56 Liudo wrote: One of the most interesting things about this MLG will be the opportunity to see if any of that EG training programme yields any results.
I think it is far to early to say that, as the only started 2-3 weeks ago while Koreans are doing that far longer. But I'm hoping for the best
True true, but it has surely been hyped up enough!!
On August 12 2011 06:56 Liudo wrote: One of the most interesting things about this MLG will be the opportunity to see if any of that EG training programme yields any results.
Not sure if troll or not..
But yeah it will be interesting to see how they'll do. I just don't see foreigners doing good without proper korean like training.
It's not trolling if the expectations are raised by EG themselves!
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
Yep, and a bunch of players went 0-5 in the last mlg's and are still in pool play.
Not that i like cruncher one bit, but the system is retarded.
I think MMA and boxer didn't come due to needing more Korean practice than showing themselves for the foreigner fans atm.. Since, we all know how far behind they already are once they lose practice for a few days.. (the game shifts so fast)
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
Well that's the MLG system for you, people who actually deserve to be in there for going through the Open bracket couple of times, just don't get in. Oh well after a couple of MLGs these 0-5 jobbers should be out of the pool.
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
He's actually not even close. There are still 3-4 foreigners ahead of him and out of pool play. Pretty unforgiving system... he really should be in pool play by now.
Ret is in top form right now. I think he'll take first in Group D.
Pool B .. POOL B!!! Bomber vs IdrA and Pool C looks pretty deadly as well. Good to see DRG and Coca representing the Korean Zergs - it would be an upset if they didn't go far.
I am really excited to see an entire showcase of IdrA's ZvT and ZvZ. I also expect Tester to be the exception to the rule regarding Koreans and Foreigners. There are going to be some insane games!
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
Well that's the MLG system for you, people who actually deserve to be in there for going through the Open bracket couple of times, just don't get in. Oh well after a couple of MLGs these 0-5 jobbers should be out of the pool.
Luckily, MLG is overhauling their entire points system next season, so hopefully we'll get improved pools next year.
Anyways, I'm VERY interested to see NaDa finally come stateside. His play is so solid, and his body is so alluring. Will the screams of fangirls fill the hall? Or will the screams of the fanboys drown them out. Always great to have these BW legends at these events.
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
Well that's the MLG system for you, people who actually deserve to be in there for going through the Open bracket couple of times, just don't get in. Oh well after a couple of MLGs these 0-5 jobbers should be out of the pool.
Luckily, MLG is overhauling their entire points system next season, so hopefully we'll get improved pools next year.
Anyways, I'm VERY interested to see NaDa finally come stateside. His play is so solid, and his body is so alluring. Will the screams of fangirls fill the hall? Or will the screams of the fanboys drown them out. Always great to have these BW legends at these events.
So is there a possibility that MLG will expand the amount of players in the group stages for next year, or will it be a complete different format that Tyler will have to figure out again?
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
Yep, and a bunch of players went 0-5 in the last mlg's and are still in pool play.
Not that i like cruncher one bit, but the system is retarded.
-.- To be fair, Cruncher only beat one person in pool play, but yes the pool is really beneficial for those already in it. But its really really hard to remove them fairly in a way that makes sense with the ranking points etc.. And it does provide a measure of protection, so no 6 pooling troll takes out DRG or Huk
On August 12 2011 06:29 Talin wrote: Pool A is insane, with Nani grinding it in Korea it will basically be 4 Koreans and Incontrol. -_-
Ret can definitely top his group if he brings his beast mode to Raleigh.
Idra with the easiest group again. Standard.
Idra has had a lot of hard groups since SC 2 even had tourneys. Don't know about your standard comment when it's not even accurate. Plus being with bomber and haypro is easy?
On August 12 2011 07:06 TheResidentEvil wrote: Im surprised cruncher still hasnt made pool. He has made it through the open bracket the last two times at mlg.
Well that's the MLG system for you, people who actually deserve to be in there for going through the Open bracket couple of times, just don't get in. Oh well after a couple of MLGs these 0-5 jobbers should be out of the pool.
Luckily, MLG is overhauling their entire points system next season, so hopefully we'll get improved pools next year.
Anyways, I'm VERY interested to see NaDa finally come stateside. His play is so solid, and his body is so alluring. Will the screams of fangirls fill the hall? Or will the screams of the fanboys drown them out. Always great to have these BW legends at these events.
So is there a possibility that MLG will expand the amount of players in the group stages for next year, or will it be a complete different format that Tyler will have to figure out again?
Unfortunately, there don't seem to be much specific information about the point system change other than some Tweets from Sundance promising that he'll change the system for the 2012 season.
No offense to Machine and Incontrol... but how are they still in pool play? So many deserving players. How many times do they have to lose before they are out.........
On August 12 2011 07:15 Gatored wrote: No offense to Machine and Incontrol... but how are they still in pool play? So many deserving players. How many times do they have to lose before they are out.........
This system really needs to be revised.
Its just retarded that CrunCher makes it trough the open bracket twice but he wont get to the groups , while incontrol and machine just keep going 0-5 and still they can keep their seeds.
On August 12 2011 07:15 Gatored wrote: No offense to Machine and Incontrol... but how are they still in pool play? So many deserving players. How many times do they have to lose before they are out.........
This system really needs to be revised.
Its just retarded that CrunCher makes it trough the open bracket twice but he wont get to the groups , while incontrol and machine just keep going 0-5 and still they can keep their seeds.
I think everyone thinks the same tbh, and MLG agrees too. They are going to change the points system for future MLGs I believe.
On August 12 2011 07:15 Gatored wrote: No offense to Machine and Incontrol... but how are they still in pool play? So many deserving players. How many times do they have to lose before they are out.........
This system really needs to be revised.
Its just retarded that CrunCher makes it trough the open bracket twice but he wont get to the groups , while incontrol and machine just keep going 0-5 and still they can keep their seeds.
He only 'kept' his seed because 7 people ranked HIGHER than him aren't attending.
On August 12 2011 06:29 Talin wrote: Pool A is insane, with Nani grinding it in Korea it will basically be 4 Koreans and Incontrol. -_-
Ret can definitely top his group if he brings his beast mode to Raleigh.
Idra with the easiest group again. Standard.
Idra has had a lot of hard groups since SC 2 even had tourneys. Don't know about your standard comment when it's not even accurate. Plus being with bomber and haypro is easy?
As players I wouldn't put Bomber and Haypro in the same sentence. But yeah Idra has had a history of pretty hard groups in the MLG. Never been in the so-called groups of death tho, iirc.
On August 12 2011 07:03 mrKamiya wrote: Coca will go 3-2 or 4-1 in his group, cause his zvt against rain he'll lose, and huk has great pvz but so does he. He's lucky to have almost all P's!
Rain's TvZ is pretty hilarious though. He had such a huge lead on ret and almost blew it. + Show Spoiler +
Coca did manage to beat Keen the first time they faced in Code S this season. There's a chance he could beat Rain, but ZvT is definitely not good. Could be worse though, no zergs in his group to pad that 0% zvz
On August 12 2011 06:33 Zzoram wrote: Ret can probably beat Nada.
The rest of his group will depend on how well prepared Nada comes.
Ret probably can't beat Nada, pretty sure Nada is better then Rain. (who ret lost to)
It doesn't work like that. Nada and Rain both have different styles, just cause ret lost to one doesn't mean he'll lose to the other.
Ret is about the only Zerg with the exception of DRG in the event that actually has a good chance of beating any korean Terran. He destroyed the Bnet invitationals, and that did have some of the best foreign terrans.
On August 12 2011 06:33 Zzoram wrote: Ret can probably beat Nada.
The rest of his group will depend on how well prepared Nada comes.
Ret probably can't beat Nada, pretty sure Nada is better then Rain. (who ret lost to)
It doesn't work like that. Nada and Rain both have different styles, just cause ret lost to one doesn't mean he'll lose to the other.
Ret is about the only Zerg with the exception of DRG in the event that actually has a good chance of beating any korean Terran. He destroyed the Bnet invitationals, and that did have some of the best foreign terrans.
Have you seen CoCa play recently? He far outclasses Ret. I'm sure he would've gone a lot farther in July too if he were up against someone not named Nestea.
On August 12 2011 07:23 darkcloud8282 wrote: MVP probably didn't return cause the crowd cheered more for Boxer/MMA when they were on the stage
Lol, I wonder if there is any truth in this :-)
Can we get a confirmation from Sundance about this??
Do you really think MvP is that ignorant? He knows what Boxer means to the SC2 community. I would be really dumb founded if there any one who plays Boxer that doesn't expect him to get crowd support than themself.
Hopefully as the weeks pass we'll get more news of Koreans entering the open pool. Also I'm glad DRG is back he should be able to clinch Code S easily barring he only gets 4th while Tester, Nada and Bomber take top 3 or something.
DRG's going to get Code S if he places in the top three, pretty much. The only ones who are likely to place higher are already in Code S.
That said it would be cool if someone like Naniwa got a Code S spot, because he's out there to claim it. I doubt the other serious contenders like Rain, Idra or Ret would take it up.
Pool A is by far and away the hardest. I feel horrible for incontrol since he has such strong opponents. Even if he gets much better with the new team house 0-5 is not unconceivable.
Pool B is pretty easy. Bomber shouldn't sweat during a single game. Idra or Sjow for 2 but i'd give idra the edge just based on past MLG play.
Pool C is a good grp. DRG and Tester are world class obviously and Slush is no push over.
Pool D is the easiest grp. Anybody can win that grp with Nada having an obvious advantage.
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote: Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote: Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?
I think thats exactly whats going to happen
Lol... Naniwa is going to have a lifetime Code A status through MLG as much as I like Naniwa, I do think this is a little unfair, I hope next season they allow Koreans to take 1 or 2 of the Code A spots and leave 1 or 2 for the top foreigner placements.
On August 12 2011 07:23 darkcloud8282 wrote: MVP probably didn't return cause the crowd cheered more for Boxer/MMA when they were on the stage
Lol, I wonder if there is any truth in this :-)
of course it's not true. I bet it's because if MVP wins his match vs. nestea wedensday, which is the last playday for koreans before they leave for MLG. It will be impossible for him to train up for the RO8 which is august 31.
I also think this is the reason nestea is not coming. MLG folks has been tweeting about they would love for nestea to come, and I bet that for every event, an invite for nestea is ready if he wants to. But the schedule is not there.
So no underlyeing story behind, just MVP wanting to win Code S more than MLG.
On August 12 2011 07:15 Gatored wrote: No offense to Machine and Incontrol... but how are they still in pool play? So many deserving players. How many times do they have to lose before they are out.........
This system really needs to be revised.
Its just retarded that CrunCher makes it trough the open bracket twice but he wont get to the groups , while incontrol and machine just keep going 0-5 and still they can keep their seeds.
He only 'kept' his seed because 7 people ranked HIGHER than him aren't attending.
This doesn`t excuse the fact that they sill are higher seeded than players who have been performing better, which is a system flaw.
I agree that MLG format makes no sense, specially the seeding for pool play. Incontrol and Machine are getting and incredible advantage from an average finish from an earlier, easier MLG event and than simply showing up for the remaining ones.
Boxer not coming back makes me sad.
That said... NaDa!!!!
Should be a great event anyways, but their whole format needs to be rethought.
maybe im a failure but is there a place to find (easily) the total rank points? I'd like to see where everyone stands including people not attending raleigh.
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Come on DRG, redemption time. True champs experience failure on the big stage and learn from it for good. Now you've failed in MLG (If you can call losing to mma and mvp that ha!) and GSL. Time to come back.
I think DRG or Ret can take this entire thing. And probably naniwa by then.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
New sign for next MLG Koreans are hurting esports!
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Wouldn't worry about that with MLG, considering it has the lowest payout of any significant tournament. $5,000 lol
And now with MLG/GSL player transfer deals the numbers are only gonna get worse.
Imo EVERYONE <1 average should be in the open bracket. Make starting pools smaller (only players with >1 average + Korean invites), and increase the max players that come from open bracket into pools to fill the pool of 20/24 players.
Why is a "losing" player getting special treatment? If they played poker they would be broke (or playing lower limits), just saying.
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote: Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?
I think thats exactly whats going to happen
Lol... Naniwa is going to have a lifetime Code A status through MLG as much as I like Naniwa, I do think this is a little unfair, I hope next season they allow Koreans to take 1 or 2 of the Code A spots and leave 1 or 2 for the top foreigner placements.
That won't happen. The whole point of the code A spots is to increase the number of foreigners in the GSL. It's hard for the foreigners to go over there and play in the qualifiers if they arent already living in Korea. Plus, that doesn't guarantee any of them will make it. I know it can seem unfair when there are really good Koreans stuck in code B, but the whole point of this is to globalize the GSL more than just having Huk with 63 other koreans. If naniwa keeps placing at the top of the foreigners, then he keeps earning his spot. No one had a problem with him getting it the first time. + Show Spoiler +
just because he lost this time doesnt mean he'll never win a GSL game
He's staying in Korea now to train for at least another month because of the GSTL. I think he's only going to improve with his time there.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because people want to see the best players play SC2 which at the moment consists of mostly Koreans and a handful of foreigners.
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote: Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?
I think thats exactly whats going to happen
Lol... Naniwa is going to have a lifetime Code A status through MLG as much as I like Naniwa, I do think this is a little unfair, I hope next season they allow Koreans to take 1 or 2 of the Code A spots and leave 1 or 2 for the top foreigner placements.
That doesn't make it an exchange then, it makes it "HEY KOREANS COME TO AMERICA TO GET CODE A!", besides if no one beats out NaNiwa for the Code A spot, why is he not allowed to keep it? The way they have it now is perfectly fine imo.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because people want to see the best players play SC2 which at the moment consists of mostly Koreans and a handful of foreigners.
Pretty sure that $5000 won't be missed that much anyway.
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote: Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?
I think thats exactly whats going to happen
Lol... Naniwa is going to have a lifetime Code A status through MLG as much as I like Naniwa, I do think this is a little unfair, I hope next season they allow Koreans to take 1 or 2 of the Code A spots and leave 1 or 2 for the top foreigner placements.
That doesn't make it an exchange then, it makes it "HEY KOREANS COME TO AMERICA TO GET CODE A!", besides if no one beats out NaNiwa for the Code A spot, why is he not allowed to keep it? The way they have it now is perfectly fine imo.
This , if nobody can stop naniwa from getting his code A spot he's going to keep it.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
"our" ? people are hoping this game will have a global scene (me included), so that kind of thinking is stupid. whats the point of watching semipro when u can have actual pro. for semipro there are tons of weekly events which are streamed
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
If they get the money from winning its quite obvious they deserved it. you make it sound like they get it for free.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
This money is earned.
Foreigners aren't earning it. They have only themselves to blame.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Don't forget that foreigners get ''free'' code A and even code S spots. So, no it's not unfair. It just demonstrates how much better the koreans are.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive. Brute force methods are just heavy handed and give you diminishing returns. I'd rather see how someone practices rather than how much before saying they're doing it wrong.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. It's pretty obvious that Koreans practice both longer and have better quality practice.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
Korean mechanics are way ahead of foreigners precisely because of the repetitive nature of practice. The foreigners that can macro like Koreans almost all trained in Korea. In the area of micro, Korean Terrans seem to have the best right now.
Koreans treat Starcraft like a job. They put in at least 8 hours a day and take it seriously.
Foreigners treat Starcraft like a hobby, they play as much as they feel like and often don't play seriously but just goof off on streams and such.
It's not a surprise that the people who treat Starcraft like a job are the most successful.
And now with MLG/GSL player transfer deals the numbers are only gonna get worse.
Imo EVERYONE <1 average should be in the open bracket. Make starting pools smaller (only players with >1 average + Korean invites), and increase the max players that come from open bracket into pools to fill the pool of 20/24 players.
Why is a "losing" player getting special treatment? If they played poker they would be broke (or playing lower limits), just saying.
I like this idea a lot. Anyone under a 1 is out of pool play for the next MLG. That would be cool if they worked something around this.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them.
On August 12 2011 07:37 crms wrote: maybe im a failure but is there a place to find (easily) the total rank points? I'd like to see where everyone stands including people not attending raleigh.
MVP isn't coming cause he doesn't want people seeing his gameplay during the GSL. I mean you saw what they did in the GSTL with not fielding Nestea or Losira cause they were in the GSL so this is pretty logical.
I'm thinking Bomber or Coca wins the event though. DRG is also a good choice cause you don't have MVP and MMA around to be giant walls with their flawless TvZ.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
Have you ever practiced 10 hours a day? No right? so then shut up because obviously practicing a lot and working hard is working for the Koreans. It's the same reason China, Korea, and Japan have the best education systems- the people work hard and their country's are now successful.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them.
But WHY is it better? No one even says anything, to me it's pretty simple. Koreans take it as if it's their job and not just a hobby they do for 8-10 hours a day where as everyone else still has a twinge of a casual attitude towards the game during their practice.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them.
But WHY is it better? No one even says anything, to me it's pretty simple. Koreans take it as if it's their job and not just a hobby they do for 8-10 hours a day where as everyone else still has a twinge of a casual attitude towards the game during their practice.
A whole number of things. Koreans have much easier access to replays from their scene. They have more people at their level to brainstorm strategy with. They have better practice partners. They have an environment that encourages more practice and dedication. Probably a dozen other random factors that all contribute to it. It isn't brain surgery, it's a pretty simple concept.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
Have you ever practiced 10 hours a day? No right? so then shut up because obviously practicing a lot and working hard is working for the Koreans. It's the same reason China, Korea, and Japan have the best education systems- the people work hard and their country's are now successful.
Lol are you ok? Will you calm down now? Do you really believe just doing something for tons of time makes you better with no diminishing returns? There has to be a certain method and structure to it. You don't just condition yourself as a competitior by exhausting yourself every day. If I can get what you get done in less time because I practice better then that's superior. The point is that you can practice for 12 hours a day and you can still be garbage. It's how you approach your practice. Also the education system stuff came pretty far out of left field too. Most asian countries excel in mathematics for example because it's SOLELY about repetition and memorization. You can just throw hours at it and be good. SC 2 is more about decision making then mechanics still.
On August 12 2011 07:50 radiumz0rz wrote: I wish there were players from SlayerS. <3MMA
Now that MMA got his code S spot he wont show up because the prize pool is chump change compared to GSL, also GSL is more important to train for. We might see other SlayerS players though.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
It's irrelevant because that's not the only thing separating Koreans and foreigners. You can't say that all Koreans practice at least 12 hours a day and you sure as hell can't say that all foreigners practice at least 8 (most probably don't even practice 6). Not only that, it's pretty well known that practice quality in Korea is also top-notch, so time isn't the only thing separating them.
But WHY is it better? No one even says anything, to me it's pretty simple. Koreans take it as if it's their job and not just a hobby they do for 8-10 hours a day where as everyone else still has a twinge of a casual attitude towards the game during their practice.
A whole number of things. Koreans have much easier access to replays from their scene. They have more people at their level to brainstorm strategy with. They have better practice partners. They have an environment that encourages more practice and dedication. Probably a dozen other random factors that all contribute to it. It isn't brain surgery, it's a pretty simple concept.
Oh man, who knew that access to replays was the reason why koreans are so much better than foreigners =/
So sad someone can go 0-5 (meanwhile anyone going from open bracket to championship losers bracket can't lose more than 2 sets the entire tournament) in pool play, winning a single game in 5 sets, then win just 1 set in losers bracket before being knocked out, and still have a spot saved in pool play.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. It's pretty obvious that Koreans practice both longer and have better quality practice.
Yeah, Koreans are doing something right--they're living and practicing together in houses. Only the very best foreigners are capable of doing that, and even then it's very difficult for them to do so. Hence the enormous depth of the Korean talent pool relative to the foreign one. If a Korean and a foreigner practice 10 hours a day, the Korean will be better because he's practicing with other top Koreans, whereas the foreigner is probably laddering.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality. It's pretty obvious that Koreans practice both longer and have better quality practice.
Yeah, Koreans are doing something right--they're living and practicing together in houses. Only the very best foreigners are capable of doing that, and even then it's very difficult for them to do so. Hence the enormous depth of the Korean talent pool relative to the foreign one. If a Korean and a foreigner practice 10 hours a day, the Korean will be better because he's practicing with other top Koreans, whereas the foreigner is probably laddering.
It's true. Idra practicing with the likes of Machine is sooo different from Losira practicing with Nestea, for example. A bit exaggerated examples but, think the point is made.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.
Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.
Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.
how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.
Have you ever practiced 10 hours a day? No right? so then shut up because obviously practicing a lot and working hard is working for the Koreans. It's the same reason China, Korea, and Japan have the best education systems- the people work hard and their country's are now successful.
Lol are you ok? Will you calm down now? Do you really believe just doing something for tons of time makes you better with no diminishing returns? There has to be a certain method and structure to it. You don't just condition yourself as a competitior by exhausting yourself every day. If I can get what you get done in less time because I practice better then that's superior. The point is that you can practice for 12 hours a day and you can still be garbage. It's how you approach your practice. Also the education system stuff came pretty far out of left field too. Most asian countries excel in mathematics for example because it's SOLELY about repetition and memorization. You can just throw hours at it and be good. SC 2 is more about decision making then mechanics still.
Did you really just say that mathematics is solely about repetition and memorization? What, do you think advanced mathematics is just more memorizing equations? Really? Not only that, Asian countries' school systems excel in all areas of academics, not just mathematics.
If north-american and european teams want to perform, they will have to change their internal organization. I'm not talking just about "pro-houses". Teams also need to introduce the Kespa inspired system of code A and B players. In boxing, a champion needs good sparring partners. In Broodwar, all code A/S players needed practice partners that repeated ten or twenty times the same openings until they perfectly knew all the timings of a certain building order on an specific map. If North-America wants some champions, they should start training their best players to become champions. Take a team like EG, the only players with potential are Idra and Puma. All the others players should just become their practice partners. I'm not saying they shouldn't compete, as even practice partners become better through training, but you should focus your limited resources on your best bet instead of having the same (bad) training regime for all of them and hoping for the best. This also means you need coaches, deciding who does what instead of e-sport managers taking just financial/administrative decisions.
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote: Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
Would be awesome if the MLG system would actually punish somehow for going 0-5 in your group. You still get some +140 points or something for losing every game you play. Heck, even I could go and lose in MLG like that.
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote: Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
I dont think you understand... koreans own white dudes most of the time.
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote: Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?
I think thats exactly whats going to happen
Lol... Naniwa is going to have a lifetime Code A status through MLG as much as I like Naniwa, I do think this is a little unfair, I hope next season they allow Koreans to take 1 or 2 of the Code A spots and leave 1 or 2 for the top foreigner placements.
That doesn't make it an exchange then, it makes it "HEY KOREANS COME TO AMERICA TO GET CODE A!", besides if no one beats out NaNiwa for the Code A spot, why is he not allowed to keep it? The way they have it now is perfectly fine imo.
This , if nobody can stop naniwa from getting his code A spot he's going to keep it.
It's not that no one can stop Naniwa, even if he finishes 10th or 12th at this MLG (I think he'll do better) he'll still get the spot because how many people competing in MLG have interest in going to Code A? Slush/Sheth/Idra all have declined multiple times, HuK has a spot... who does that leave who has an interest in taking one of the top 3 spots?
At the least I think they should cap Code A to Top 14 or so.
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote: Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote: Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
I dont think you understand... koreans own white dudes most of the time.
I did, thats why i posted that. I don't think Huk was a chance at top 3. He got 2-1'ed by DRG, where the 1st/3rd games made him look like a joke. DRG placed last of all the koreans or 2nd to last. Huk at the moment is the best of those 3 players.
I dont see any of them beating DRG, Bomber, Rain, maybe even Nada.
Edit-No im not saying the same as the guy above me, i was saying that DRG should win this but the other Koreans will still own him. Cocas still a code S, Tester, although not known, is still solid material, Bombers amazing, Rains amazing, and its Nada. I know i criticized them in my 1st post but that was compared to DRG. Compared to foreigners lol
LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.
On August 12 2011 08:14 KinQuh wrote: LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.
On August 12 2011 07:40 Shinobi1982 wrote: Players average game W/L ratio in 2011 (Dallas - Columbus - Anaheim)
Naniwa: 7 - 1,29 - 1,43
I just had to quote this and bold it because of how awesome it is.
"Hey, Naniwa, what was your win/loss ratio for MLG Dallas?"
"Uh, seven."
"Seven? Is that good?"
"Uh, it's okay."
Even better:
"Nestea, what was your win/loss ratio at the last GSL?"
"Undefined."
Haha, win.
I'd really like to see code A spots go to Koreans though. If Ganzi wants to come in, go through 11 consecutive BO3s via the open bracket then pool play then championship than he deserves a code A spot. The way it is right now with the stagnant pool players the code A spots are being wasted completely with the same players turning them down each time. It's to the point where being in the top 16 gets you a code A spot. Also note that there are only 20 pool spots for non-invites. Just being in pool play is a pass to code A.
It's silly really, the reason why foreigners can't compete in the GSL aside from Huk is that they really just aren't good enough.
On August 12 2011 08:14 KinQuh wrote: LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.
Well put... they definitely need to change the system.
On August 12 2011 08:14 KinQuh wrote: LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.
Yea, so pathetic. Anyone going 0-5 in pool play doesn't deserve shit, they should be eliminated from the tournament right there instead of being allowed to continue to championship lower bracket. You lose 2 sets in open bracket and you're out of the tournament but just cause you did good in one tournament months ago with no koreans you get a free pass to pool play for 2-3 tournaments after that, losing 6 out of 7 sets and still getting decent points and keeping your spot in pool play so you can get more free points. Not to mention Machine, how the hell is he still in pools, he never does anything.
Looks like group A is gonna be absolutely sick. I gotta say, though, that it's an absolute travesty that players like Incontrol and Machine are still in pool play. Nothing against them personally, of course... They just don't deserve it after having very mediocre performances for the last two MLGs.
On August 12 2011 08:14 KinQuh wrote: LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.
Yea, so pathetic. Anyone going 0-5 in pool play doesn't deserve shit, they should be eliminated from the tournament right there instead of being allowed to continue to championship lower bracket. You lose 2 sets in open bracket and you're out of the tournament but just cause you did good in one tournament months ago with no koreans you get a free pass to pool play for 2-3 tournaments after that, losing 6 out of 7 sets and still getting decent points and keeping your spot in pool play so you can get more free points. Not to mention Machine, how the hell is he still in pools, he never does anything.
Hey hey, let's not be disrespectful of player's accomplishments. I don't see you being Idra's roommate!
On August 12 2011 06:17 Zzoram wrote: iNcontroL is going to drop out of the pool if he goes 0-5 again right? Given his pool, it's highly likely he's going down 0-5.
you can go 0-5 in your group and still win the tourny. groups just determine where you are placed in the championship bracket
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote: Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
Umm... did you really just say the only amazing player is DRG? Did you really? DRG just lost in the second round of code a to some no name protoss in straight up games- DRG is way overrated IMO. We have Bomber, Coca and Nada coming- all of which are extremely solid players- especially Bomber.
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote: Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?
Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.
aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.
Wow, what's with this guy? It's like an Idra doppelganger.
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote: Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
Umm... did you really just say the only amazing player is DRG? Did you really? DRG just lost in the second round of code a to some no name protoss in straight up games- DRG is way overrated IMO. We have Bomber, Coca and Nada coming- all of which are extremely solid players- especially Bomber.
Yet he destroyed the foreigners that this conversation was about? I agree Bomber is good. Cocas good too but nothing special imo and im pretty sure Nada hasn't done that well in Korea recently?
In addition he's also done incredibly well in GSTL and hes like 17-4 out of his last matches, that must've changed with the new match against JYP though, i havent seen it yet
On August 12 2011 06:17 Zzoram wrote: iNcontroL is going to drop out of the pool if he goes 0-5 again right? Given his pool, it's highly likely he's going down 0-5.
you can go 0-5 in your group and still win the tourny. groups just determine where you are placed in the championship bracket
Incontrol will never drop he just gets so many points just for getting his seed to the groups.
To everyone sayiing going 0-5 in your group should get your eliminated
the people in the pools are spouse to be the BEST, and over time they will the best, but its a young game and there havent been enough seasons to cement the best players in the pool (gsl had horrible players in code S for a while)
The thorey is even if you go 0-5 you lost to 5 players who are "better" then everyone in the championship bracket
lets say there are only 4 korean LEVEL players at the event and they were all seeded in to Pool A. Does the loser of the pool of death deserve to be eliminated?
PS: do you guys think korens will stop paying their own way once they get CODE S? i feel like they are just using MLG to get into CODE S
On August 12 2011 06:17 Zzoram wrote: iNcontroL is going to drop out of the pool if he goes 0-5 again right? Given his pool, it's highly likely he's going down 0-5.
you can go 0-5 in your group and still win the tourny. groups just determine where you are placed in the championship bracket
Incontrol will never drop he just gets so many points just for getting his seed to the groups.
well Tyler got knocked out, and DRG/Rain game to ONE even and they are in the Pools. meaning Incontrol is at least 2 spots down
On August 12 2011 08:43 lim1017 wrote: To everyone sayiing going 0-5 in your group should get your eliminated
the people in the pools are spouse to be the BEST, and over time they will the best, but its a young game and there havent been enough seasons to cement the best players in the pool (gsl had horrible players in code S for a while)
The thorey is even if you go 0-5 you lost to 5 players who are "better" then everyone in the championship bracket
lets say there are only 4 korean LEVEL players at the event and they were all seeded in to Pool A. Does the loser of the pool of death deserve to be eliminated?
PS: do you guys think korens will stop paying their own way once they get CODE S? i feel like they are just using MLG to get into CODE S
PS: Do you actually think that the koreans are attracted by the 5k price pool rather than the Code A/S spots? :D
Hell yeah coca finally going foreign can't wait won't miss a second of his games hope to see him stomp some protoss like the ZvP monster he is :D. Group a is looking like the group of death but seeing how most of them are protoss I think coca will do fine and he's looking like he's on the path to bringing his ZvT up to level so here's to hoping coca coming on top.
Yes DRG returns. Sad mvp isn't back, but that only increases DRG's chances of getting code s now! Plus all the other korean invites already have code s.
You know what would be really funny? If Tester got last place in his GSL group but then won MLG and takes the code S spot. That would make for some really awkward U&D matches.
On August 12 2011 09:30 Choboo wrote: I hope Naniwa does well after practicing with Startale for a few weeks! Him, Tester and Bomber top 3 incoming! ^_^
How do you know he's practicing with ST? Cause that would be amazing.
On August 12 2011 09:39 Badfatpanda wrote: MVP??? I thought he announced he would be returning to defend his title, what gives? Other than that groups seem pretty even out except for A again ><
On August 12 2011 06:44 Aristodemus wrote: Group A is insane, whoever tops that has done well. Apart from Incontrol, poor guy will have a rough ride I think.
I think he should be glad he's in the pools at all, he does not deserve it thats for sure.
Also to respond to those that are not happy with our points system, neither are we. Here is a post I made in another thread:
On August 10 2011 05:02 MLG_Adam wrote: Prizes.
I posted in another thread on this subject. We are well aware of the short comings of our current structure, prizes, etc.
For next year, look for more direct avenues into our seeding system, more immediate opportunities to crack pool play, more online activity, less forgiveness of poor showings (e.g. no tenure for players that do not do well), GLOBAL feeder systems, better prizes....I could go on and on, and I'm very excited to announce details when we're ready, but the bottom line is: We are addressing, and hopefully fixing, many of the complaints/suggestions that we read from the community in an effort to truly represent the SC2 community.
We learned some lessons, as we have every year in nearly 10 years of doing these events, and we're excited to apply to them to all of our titles for next year, especially sC2
On August 12 2011 09:45 MLG_Adam wrote: Also to respond to those that are not happy with our points system, neither are we. Here is a post I made in another thread:
I posted in another thread on this subject. We are well aware of the short comings of our current structure, prizes, etc.
For next year, look for more direct avenues into our seeding system, more immediate opportunities to crack pool play, more online activity, less forgiveness of poor showings (e.g. no tenure for players that do not do well), GLOBAL feeder systems, better prizes....I could go on and on, and I'm very excited to announce details when we're ready, but the bottom line is: We are addressing, and hopefully fixing, many of the complaints/suggestions that we read from the community in an effort to truly represent the SC2 community.
We learned some lessons, as we have every year in nearly 10 years of doing these events, and we're excited to apply to them to all of our titles for next year, especially sC2
Props to MLG for being so awesome and addressing all fan comments! :D
I really want NaDa to wreck everyone. It could give him the extra hmmph to make it past a GSL Code S Ro8 where he always seems to lose at. If he has been practicing though, I can see it happening.
On August 12 2011 09:45 MLG_Adam wrote: Also to respond to those that are not happy with our points system, neither are we. Here is a post I made in another thread:
I posted in another thread on this subject. We are well aware of the short comings of our current structure, prizes, etc.
For next year, look for more direct avenues into our seeding system, more immediate opportunities to crack pool play, more online activity, less forgiveness of poor showings (e.g. no tenure for players that do not do well), GLOBAL feeder systems, better prizes....I could go on and on, and I'm very excited to announce details when we're ready, but the bottom line is: We are addressing, and hopefully fixing, many of the complaints/suggestions that we read from the community in an effort to truly represent the SC2 community.
We learned some lessons, as we have every year in nearly 10 years of doing these events, and we're excited to apply to them to all of our titles for next year, especially sC2
Thank you so much for this, as someone who's been against this format since the beginning I will be very happy to see it go. I'm sure your next system will be a lot better!
Also thank you for all the amazing tournaments you provide us viewers with!
On August 12 2011 06:20 Shellshock1122 wrote: Lol. Coca is a champ at ZvP. Let's put him in a group of almost all toss. LOL!
Yeaaaah he is going to slaughter some protoss players in that group. Rain *might* be able to beat CoCa though because he is pretty weak for a korean in zvt.
So! Rain and DRG decided to return and that meant Machine and Drewbie missed out on pools. Then Socke decides not to attend (?) and Machine gets back into pools! Crazy.
Kinda weird to see Machine, Incontrol, and Haypro still floating in the groups...MLG system really needs an overhaul (and bigger prize pool to lure better players into the open brackets)
Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of dumb how they did the Machine - Rain tiebreaker? Couldn't they have just done it like they did the other one and do it based on previous placement?
On August 12 2011 10:30 `MemoRY wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of dumb how they did the Machine - Rain tiebreaker? Couldn't they have just done it like they did the other one and do it based on previous placement?
uhh.. I'm honestly asking this out of curiosity, but what does it matter?
as much as i wanted to c boxer again in the upcoming MLG, maybe its better for him to concentrate on practicing in Korea to end his poor GSL run. I guess playing in a foreign event won't be helping him too much.
On August 12 2011 10:30 `MemoRY wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of dumb how they did the Machine - Rain tiebreaker? Couldn't they have just done it like they did the other one and do it based on previous placement?
uhh.. I'm honestly asking this out of curiosity, but what does it matter?
Because Rain is 10x the player Machine is? Because Rain actually had better results than Machine?
On August 12 2011 10:30 `MemoRY wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of dumb how they did the Machine - Rain tiebreaker? Couldn't they have just done it like they did the other one and do it based on previous placement?
uhh.. I'm honestly asking this out of curiosity, but what does it matter?
Because Rain is 10x the player Machine is? Because Rain actually had better results than Machine?
I think I might have missed this somewhere, but did MVP decline to return? I think it's part of GOM's agreement that 1 of the 4 seeds they would send will include the reigning champion (provided he was one of the previous 4 seeds too).
EDIT: AH nevermind, he's still in the run for GSL =/
On August 12 2011 10:30 `MemoRY wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of dumb how they did the Machine - Rain tiebreaker? Couldn't they have just done it like they did the other one and do it based on previous placement?
This. What is their requirements for being a "Pro Player"? Being in the pools each and every season isn't enough. Neither is taking 6th place.
Edit: Reading through a large portion of the thread has revealed to me that MVP did decline his invite, for GSL.
On August 12 2011 10:39 TheAmazombie wrote: What? No MMA or MVP? I thought they confirmed them already?
MMA never confirmed (and wasn't given an invite). MVP was offered an invite, but I guess he turned it down in order to try and continue his Code S run.
On August 12 2011 10:55 zergtat wrote: No more Liquid team kill! thats good :D
Ret and Sheth are in the same group.
Also, Tyler, Jinro and Hero are all going, so there are still plenty of opportunities for someone to come through the open tourny and score a team kill!
On August 12 2011 07:37 crms wrote: maybe im a failure but is there a place to find (easily) the total rank points? I'd like to see where everyone stands including people not attending raleigh.
thanks.. good lord this point system needs to be reworked. incontrol could basically 0-5 the rest of the season after his 4th place at the start and stay in pools. point distribution is terrible.
DRG just can't lose to any of the foreigners and he'll get his Code S spot. Nada, Tester, Coca and Bomber are all Code S, so he should be able to get it.
On August 12 2011 07:37 crms wrote: maybe im a failure but is there a place to find (easily) the total rank points? I'd like to see where everyone stands including people not attending raleigh.
thanks.. good lord this point system needs to be reworked. incontrol could basically 0-5 the rest of the season after his 4th place at the start and stay in pools. point distribution is terrible.
On August 12 2011 12:33 Fionn wrote: DRG just can't lose to any of the foreigners and he'll get his Code S spot. Nada, Tester, Coca and Bomber are all Code S, so he should be able to get it.
Isn't it only Top 3 though? I thought if it goes out of top 3 then the code S spot just vanishes.
On August 12 2011 12:41 Juanald wrote: haypro and machine in the same group can only 1 advance or is it top 2?
Only 1 advance and losers bracket for the rest. None of them will though, most likely Bomber, maybe Idra if he's been training reeaaally hard and/or has lots of luck.
On August 12 2011 06:48 landmarktiger wrote: The koreans this time are somewhat weaker than the previous occasions so this is the best chance foreigners will have to beat them - bomber himslef has said that tvz is not his strong matchup so idra has a good chance of beating him and taking rank 1 in that group. Also what happened to MVP i thought they said that the winner is always invited back??
People always exaggerate this. Yeah Bomber's TvZ is his worst MU but...but...it's still good enough to beat all the foreign zergs...It's like LosirA's ZvT was not so good but he completely destroyed all the terrans except MMA.
On August 12 2011 12:41 Juanald wrote: haypro and machine in the same group can only 1 advance or is it top 2?
Only 1 advance and losers bracket for the rest. None of them will though, most likely Bomber, maybe Idra if he's been training reeaaally hard and/or has lots of luck.
didnt it used to be top 2? i have a feeling this MLG machine will prove the haters wrong.
Pools seem pretty balanced, and should be a lot of fun to watch. Group A looks like it might have the edge for hardest overall though.
Interesting set of invites too. Coca is pretty unexpected, but I like that they're getting some exposure for lesser known korean players. Also, the Nada's body thread is going to explode.
Wait, is it me, or are all the Koreans (except DRG) either Code S or doesn't want to be in Code S (like rain)?
So this means that it's pretty much guarantee a free Code S for DRG, or if he chokes, a random foreigner gets Code S?
I really hope Gom/MLG puts a limit of how far down the ranking they will go to give out the invites. It was already annoying as hell in the previous MLG that code A invites were handed out to lower ranked players like Fenix (no offense) while the spot could of went to more deserving players going through Code B qualifiers. I really hope this won't happen to the Code S spot.
Excited to see that there one of each race was chosen for the Korean invites. Can't wait to see this MLG kick off. I am a little sad/disappointed that Mvp won't be coming back for a shot to defend his title as MLG champion.
On August 12 2011 14:33 Fubi wrote: Wait, is it me, or are all the Koreans (except DRG) either Code S or doesn't want to be in Code S (like rain)?
So this means that it's pretty much guarantee a free Code S for DRG, or if he chokes, a random foreigner gets Code S?
I really hope Gom/MLG puts a limit of how far down the ranking they will go to give out the invites. It was already annoying as hell in the previous MLG that code A invites were handed out to lower ranked players like Fenix (no offense) while the spot could of went to more deserving players going through Code B qualifiers. I really hope this won't happen to the Code S spot.
Although he had trouble in his Code A match, he looked pretty good in his GSTL game. I'm sure with a month of practice over there he's gonna be tons better.
On August 12 2011 14:33 Fubi wrote: Wait, is it me, or are all the Koreans (except DRG) either Code S or doesn't want to be in Code S (like rain)?
So this means that it's pretty much guarantee a free Code S for DRG, or if he chokes, a random foreigner gets Code S?
I really hope Gom/MLG puts a limit of how far down the ranking they will go to give out the invites. It was already annoying as hell in the previous MLG that code A invites were handed out to lower ranked players like Fenix (no offense) while the spot could of went to more deserving players going through Code B qualifiers. I really hope this won't happen to the Code S spot.
Although he had trouble in his Code A match, he looked pretty good in his GSTL game. I'm sure with a month of practice over there he's gonna be tons better.
Oh, didn't know they had a limit on Code S, I stand corrected, thanks.
On August 12 2011 14:33 Fubi wrote: Wait, is it me, or are all the Koreans (except DRG) either Code S or doesn't want to be in Code S (like rain)?
So this means that it's pretty much guarantee a free Code S for DRG, or if he chokes, a random foreigner gets Code S?
I really hope Gom/MLG puts a limit of how far down the ranking they will go to give out the invites. It was already annoying as hell in the previous MLG that code A invites were handed out to lower ranked players like Fenix (no offense) while the spot could of went to more deserving players going through Code B qualifiers. I really hope this won't happen to the Code S spot.
He'd have to come first, or come second and whoever comes first already has it, it doesn't just keep going down the list.
On August 12 2011 06:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: finally somewhat decent (not great) groups for us
considering you have 5 players spread over 4 groups, i dont really think you can complain. groups worker out the best possible for TL, but with so many top players, its actually impossible to not have a team kill
Maybe it's just been the exceptional invites for the other MLG events of this season but i feel very disappointed with the Korean invites for this event. Bomber is a top player and will be exciting to watch. NaDa is a great player but tbh his inclusion doesn't excite me the way including say Boxer did. Tester.... to put it mildly i really, really dislike his play. I guess you could say i am an anti-fan. And finally CoCa, sure he's an underrated Code S zerg, but won't make me join the Raleigh hype train.
I feel its really a travesty that INcontrol and Machine to name a few are still seeded when theres about 20 (literally) more deserving foreigners of pool play that i can name off the top of my head. the way points/rankings are earned needs to be reworked REALLY bad, id be very surprised if they aren't completely revamped after the grand final MLG cause this is a honestly a joke. ( sorry Incontrol <3 )
On August 12 2011 15:06 Sickshakes wrote: Maybe it's just been the exceptional invites for the other MLG events of this season but i feel very disappointed with the Korean invites for this event. Bomber is a top player and will be exciting to watch. NaDa is a great player but tbh his inclusion doesn't excite me the way including say Boxer did. Tester.... to put it mildly i really, really dislike his play. I guess you could say i am an anti-fan. And finally CoCa, sure he's an underrated Code S zerg, but won't make me join the Raleigh hype train.
Short of Nestea, who could possibly top the hype brought by MMA, Boxer, and MVP all at one event?
On August 12 2011 15:07 MMAizzzgawd wrote: I feel its really a travesty that INcontrol and Machine to name a few are still seeded when theres about 20 (literally) more deserving foreigners of pool play that i can name off the top of my head. the way points/rankings are earned needs to be reworked REALLY bad, id be very surprised if they aren't completely revamped after the grand final MLG cause this is a honestly a joke. ( sorry Incontrol <3 )
who are these 20 players who have shown better results than incontrol and machine in MLG? ? incontrol's and machine results looks really bad because of the players they have to play with. Look at incontrol's group. I bet that 20 plus deserving foreigners that you just mention will go at best 1-10 in that group just like incontrol will ( unless he does some amazing practice and conjures some special tactics on his own in that eg house and i really hope he does and will be rooting for him to do so). Huk Nani Rain Coca. 3 Code S players + Best foreign protoss. No shame in losing to them. Scary thing is, you can't even call this group of death anymore because every other groups since the last 2 MLGs are equally scary.
And please don't mention names that couldn't even go through the open bracket. Wasn't it proven last MLG that even foreigners who crushed through open bracket also ended up getting destroyed in the pool play? ie Tyler and Cruncher. Hell even Select got demolished the last 2 MLG in the pool play and I dare you to call him bad. MLG has been so stacked that getting 0-5 (0-10) is a bad result but really nothing to be ashamed of.
Yes, white-ra could have been there but his dq was unfortunate and no one else's fault really which made it impossible for him to gain enough points. Thorzain refused to come the second time. So i am not sure really there are better foreigners who want and will come to MLG Raleigh that's more deserving of the pool play spot.
On August 12 2011 15:07 MMAizzzgawd wrote: I feel its really a travesty that INcontrol and Machine to name a few are still seeded when theres about 20 (literally) more deserving foreigners of pool play that i can name off the top of my head. the way points/rankings are earned needs to be reworked REALLY bad, id be very surprised if they aren't completely revamped after the grand final MLG cause this is a honestly a joke. ( sorry Incontrol <3 )
Sundance already said they were changing how the points worked next season, but theres nothing that can be done about it this season.
With Boxer's speech last MLG about wanting the Slayers name to be synonymous with MLG, I am surprised that Boxer hasn't returned with a new force of Slayers.
Also, I see GOM's obvious plan of get DRG into Code S has gotten even more obvious.
This is NOT how invites should be given out. Invites should primarily given towards Code A/B players with lots of promise.
On August 12 2011 15:50 RaiKageRyu wrote: This is NOT how invites should be given out. Invites should primarily given towards Code A/B players with lots of promise.
On August 12 2011 15:50 RaiKageRyu wrote: With Boxer's speech last MLG about wanting the Slayers name to be synonymous with MLG, I am surprised that Boxer hasn't returned with a new force of Slayers.
Also, I see GOM's obvious plan of get DRG into Code S has gotten even more obvious.
This is NOT how invites should be given out. Invites should primarily given towards Code A/B players with lots of promise.
What? He's going back there with his own money(or more likely, Complexity is sponsoring him to go back). DRG isn't an invite.
And who are you to say where the invites should go? It's better for GOM/MLG to send recognizable players so they get more viewers. Bomber, Coca, and Tester were all top 8 Code S last season and Nada is a huge name and has been top 8 plenty of times previously.
On August 12 2011 15:50 RaiKageRyu wrote: This is NOT how invites should be given out. Invites should primarily given towards Code A/B players with lots of promise.
.... like DRG?
(Sorry. Too hard to resist.)
DRG is not an invite, he's being sent there by Complexity.
On August 12 2011 15:06 Sickshakes wrote: Maybe it's just been the exceptional invites for the other MLG events of this season but i feel very disappointed with the Korean invites for this event. Bomber is a top player and will be exciting to watch. NaDa is a great player but tbh his inclusion doesn't excite me the way including say Boxer did. Tester.... to put it mildly i really, really dislike his play. I guess you could say i am an anti-fan. And finally CoCa, sure he's an underrated Code S zerg, but won't make me join the Raleigh hype train.
Short of Nestea, who could possibly top the hype brought by MMA, Boxer, and MVP all at one event?
Imagine; MC/BoxeR/NesTea and MarineKing at one event. Nerdgasm.
you know what, i would really like to see machine do well. Seems like he cares quite a bit and maybe just needed the team house to really get that practice in. Of course Nani too Machine Fighting!
On August 12 2011 16:10 winthrop wrote: Where is IMMvp?
On August 12 2011 15:07 MMAizzzgawd wrote: I feel its really a travesty that INcontrol and Machine to name a few are still seeded when theres about 20 (literally) more deserving foreigners of pool play that i can name off the top of my head. the way points/rankings are earned needs to be reworked REALLY bad, id be very surprised if they aren't completely revamped after the grand final MLG cause this is a honestly a joke. ( sorry Incontrol <3 )
Last MLG showed that this is simply not the case, even though I'm not too happy with seeding either. For example, Tyler and Cruncher ended up going through the open bracket and look how well they did in their groups?
It has been explained countless times: MLG needs a core group of pro-gamers who come to each MLG to make this thing work. Look at MVP. Comes one time, decides to just not come again. There has to be some sort of "reward" for players who repeatedly show up and perform well to at least some extent. I would be very bad for the average esports fan if each MLG had completely different pool play.
On August 12 2011 15:07 MMAizzzgawd wrote: I feel its really a travesty that INcontrol and Machine to name a few are still seeded when theres about 20 (literally) more deserving foreigners of pool play that i can name off the top of my head. the way points/rankings are earned needs to be reworked REALLY bad, id be very surprised if they aren't completely revamped after the grand final MLG cause this is a honestly a joke. ( sorry Incontrol <3 )
Last MLG showed that this is simply not the case, even though I'm not too happy with seeding either. For example, Tyler and Cruncher ended up going through the open bracket and look how well they did in their groups?
It has been explained countless times: MLG needs a core group of pro-gamers who come to each MLG to make this thing work. Look at MVP. Comes one time, decides to just not come again. There has to be some sort of "reward" for players who repeatedly show up and perform well to at least some extent. I would be very bad for the average esports fan if each MLG had completely different pool play.
With the Korean invites, there should be a requirement before the Korean accepts the invite: Be able to attend more than 1 MLG in a row. Since all Korean invites can win the first prize, or even runner-up, someone like MVP running in and taking 1st then never coming back is sort of gay.
I wonder if the Koreans came back, would they all be seeded? It would be funny if for the national finals, you saw the return of MC, Losira, MVP, bomber, mma ... We would literally have a Kprean top 12
On August 12 2011 16:44 aksfjh wrote: I'm hoping Tester gets rocked. One of the few Koreans I can't stand.
wtf why?
The guy has been a constant disappointment since release. Him and FD put forth just enough effort to not get laughed out of SC2 altogether. It feels like he's the kind of guy who takes advantage of his fans instead of being driven and encouraged by them.
I am crying tears of joy. I will be taking Friday and Monday off from work and will enjoy this MLG to the max.
I hope I can watch both streams on HD this MLG, I just f'ing love HD . I also hope there will be 3 caster duo's this time, still on 2 streams but then they can keep the 2 streams running different games all day. It would be better for the casters as well.
I love all players, I love the story around iNcontrol. He will be in pool play till the end of this season and will get shit over him every damn tournament. Which is on one hand understandable but on the other hand, iNcontrol did as much for Esports as Artosis did. I wouldn't mind to see either of these 2 in pool play EVERY MLG.
Liquid will have a chance to shine and take at least 1 first place.
DONRAEGU IS BACK!! I am so happy.
EG.Idra his ZvZ is sometimes lacking, on his stream it sometimes looks like a coinflip. A feeling I never have when he plays against T. Unless he plays vs DDE and leaves on 3 bases and without losing 1 unit .
Bomber and Nada? Hell yeah!
Coca, please show us good zerg games. You have to replace Nestea!
And last, Protoss players, I hope you do well this tournament. Except against zerg .
On August 12 2011 16:44 aksfjh wrote: I'm hoping Tester gets rocked. One of the few Koreans I can't stand.
wtf why?
The guy has been a constant disappointment since release. Him and FD put forth just enough effort to not get laughed out of SC2 altogether. It feels like he's the kind of guy who takes advantage of his fans instead of being driven and encouraged by them.
Yea, I kinda feel that way too now. It used to be every time I saw his name I got super hyped. Now I'm just disappointed. :\
On August 12 2011 16:44 aksfjh wrote: I'm hoping Tester gets rocked. One of the few Koreans I can't stand.
wtf why?
The guy has been a constant disappointment since release. Him and FD put forth just enough effort to not get laughed out of SC2 altogether. It feels like he's the kind of guy who takes advantage of his fans instead of being driven and encouraged by them.
Eh he did quite well the last GSL no? in fact he was top 3 protoss in terms of result last gsl. In the GSL ranking he is also 18th which makes him the top 5 protoss. Pretty unfair to be hating on him. In terms of results he is at least up there.
The only disappointment was he missed on GSL 2 and 3 because he kept getting 1-1-1 ed during the qualifier. But overall he did pretty well since. He has not fallen to FD's standard yet.
On August 12 2011 16:44 aksfjh wrote: I'm hoping Tester gets rocked. One of the few Koreans I can't stand.
wtf why?
The guy has been a constant disappointment since release. Him and FD put forth just enough effort to not get laughed out of SC2 altogether. It feels like he's the kind of guy who takes advantage of his fans instead of being driven and encouraged by them.
Eh he did quite well the last GSL no? in fact he was top 3 protoss in terms of result last gsl. In the GSL ranking he is also 18th which makes him the top 5 protoss. Pretty unfair to be hating on him. In terms of results he is at least up there.
The only disappointment was he missed on GSL 2 and 3 because he kept getting 1-1-1 ed during the qualifier. But overall he did pretty well since. He has not fallen to FD's standard yet.
Yeah Tester isn't as bad as FD, but I feel like if he took his practise more seriously he could do a lot better.
On August 12 2011 06:52 JustPassingBy wrote: So MMA was invited even though he would've come with his own (sponsor's) funds, hence occupied one invitational spot needlessly, but this time MVP is not invited because he comes on his own funds and thus does not occupy a slot? Can anybody explain that to me?? And machine>rain make me sad. Too bad the rules say so, why not decide by past finishing like "pro"-player if tie between online points??
Nevertheless definitely looking forward to this event, but I hope somebody can answer.
MVP is not coming. DRG plays for the team MVP who has a partnership with complexity.
Oh, nevermind then, guess I didn't pay enough attention... <.< Crap, why is he not coming? He is the reigning champion!
Wow, tester & coca are surprise choices. I don't think they'll be as dominant as the previous koreans (but then i didnt expect ganzi & rain to do so well.. hmm..). Sad that the previous winners are not coming though
Foreigners might maybe just stand a chance this event. Bomber and DRG are the best players going into this but if they somehow fall then the other Koreans aren't that much better.
since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Why the eff the top two protoss players in the tournament are in the same pool again is beyond me. This is just gonna be T and Z in the top spots again if both Naniwa and Huk don't make it out of their group.
On August 12 2011 20:32 Loodah wrote: Why the eff the top two protoss players in the tournament are in the same pool again is beyond me. This is just gonna be T and Z in the top spots again if both Naniwa and Huk don't make it out of their group.
well you aren't paying much attention then if this is so beyond yourself, players collect points trough MLG by their wins, those points give them seeds, those seeds give them groupspots, so its their own 'fault' in wich group they land
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
On August 12 2011 20:32 Loodah wrote: Why the eff the top two protoss players in the tournament are in the same pool again is beyond me. This is just gonna be T and Z in the top spots again if both Naniwa and Huk don't make it out of their group.
well you aren't paying much attention then if this is so beyond yourself, players collect points trough MLG by their wins, those points give them seeds, those seeds give them groupspots, so its their own 'fault' in wich group they land
If you can read, then you know that I wasn't blaming anyone. I'm simply venting my frustration that protoss are gonna get owned yet again at this MLG.
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
yea....that was my point lol
since im sure code s spot is not available to non koreans
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
yea....that was my point lol
since im sure code s spot is not available to non koreans
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
yea....that was my point lol
since im sure code s spot is not available to non koreans
Maybe you should look it up once more instead of saying things that are false and stating it to be true.
Code S will go to first place unless he already has Code S, then it will go to the second place and after that the third place player. If the first 3 players already have Code S, then there will be no Code S spot given away.
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
I used to think this as well. But, Code S is available to anyone that places in the top 3 that isn't in Code S already. If everyone in the top 3 is code S, then they will give away 4 Code A spots instead of 3.
On August 12 2011 06:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: finally somewhat decent (not great) groups for us
So final 8 for all Liquid players then? ^^ Team Liquid FIGHTING!
No promises but I do think our guys have a shot at getting 1st in group D! The winner of Ret vs Sheth has the potential to do well vs Kiwi/Nada/Moonan as well (Sheth already beat Kiwi last MLG in the ranking matches). Gogogogo!
I'm sorry, and I don't like to sound like I a hater, but.....
How the hell are inControl, Machine, and Select still in pool play? Nothing against them personally, its just that when you go into a slump like this, usually you fall out of seeded brackets.
On August 12 2011 06:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: finally somewhat decent (not great) groups for us
So final 8 for all Liquid players then? ^^ Team Liquid FIGHTING!
No promises but I do think our guys have a shot at getting 1st in group D! The winner of Ret vs Sheth has the potential to do well vs Kiwi/Nada/Moonan as well (Sheth already beat Kiwi last MLG in the ranking matches). Gogogogo!
How dare you not to promise that the top 7 will be all TL players?
Let's hope Tyler does well, rooting he can get pool play back! last spots in Orlando are probably between Rain/Dewbie/Machine and Tyler. I don't see DRG coming back again, Socke might, MC might.
Liquid'Tyler fighting!
EDIT: Ohhhhh, I completely forgot about Hero. Ok, as long as you don't knock out DRG, I will cheer for both Liquid'Toss!
On August 12 2011 19:27 Zenic wrote: Is Liquid'Hero going to participate?
from his interview said he was oging to the next MLG so I think so, he wont be in the pools though he will have to play from the open bracket.
As a Liquid member you will start participating in many international events. Which international events do you look forward to the most, and what Liquid players are you looking forward to being reunited with?
Personally I'm really looking forward to the MLG tournaments. I'm going to compete at Raleigh very soon, and I'm giddy because it's my first international tournament
On August 12 2011 22:43 shockaslim wrote: I'm sorry, and I don't like to sound like I a hater, but.....
How the hell are inControl, Machine, and Select still in pool play? Nothing against them personally, its just that when you go into a slump like this, usually you fall out of seeded brackets.
This. Select is pretty decent though. TLO, Moonan and Haypro haven't exactly been too impressive lately either. They seriously need to do something about their system.
Pretty good invites imo. They feel more beatable for the foreigners than the previous ones and MVP isn't coming back(?).
"Machine and Rain were also tied, but do not have the Rank Points to be considered pro players. Ties between non-pro players are broken first by Online Rank Points, and then randomly. Since neither player had any Online Rank Points, a randomization was performed that granted Machine the higher seed."
Wait some cheating must have been going on here because Machine would and should have ended up in Incontrols group.
Can't wait until this starts, am curious why? is EG.machine/Incontrol/ and Liquid'Haypro still in the winner bracket. I though they played awful in the past two MLG; anyway i just though the spot would be better for player like White-ra or Sen and Strelok. Other than GoOOooOoo MLG Releigh
Looks like a lot of very strong Zergs in each group with IdrA, DRG, and Ret (and also all the other ones that are awesome as well, don't get me wrong). I'm definitely expecting another Zerg victory, hopefully from a Liquid player obviously, though I'd love to see DRG get his code S spot.
"Absolutely no ZvP for Idra to worry about".......... if he's still complaining about ZvP imbalance then that's ridiculous because ZvP is WAY in favor of zerg at the moment.
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
I am pretty sure MMA got his code S spot from MLG Columbus, not MLG Anaheim because the group selection was the same day that MLG was finishing so they had no way of knowing MMA would finish second, meaning Boxer will get a code S spot because he finished 3rd. Also, FUCK YES NADA!!!!
On August 13 2011 00:37 RogerShah wrote: I dont understand why players like incontrol, machine, slush and haypro are invited. They are definitely not on the same level with the other players.
probably because they're not invited, they earned their spot by performing well in MLG last year...
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
I am pretty sure MMA got his code S spot from MLG Columbus, not MLG Anaheim because the group selection was the same day that MLG was finishing so they had no way of knowing MMA would finish second, meaning Boxer will get a code S spot because he finished 3rd. Also, FUCK YES NADA!!!!
On August 13 2011 00:37 RogerShah wrote: I dont understand why players like incontrol, machine, slush and haypro are invited. They are definitely not on the same level with the other players.
Slush finished 12th at Anaheim and 5th at columbus and top 16 at Dallas I don't know what you can expect more. Also Haypro at very good showings placing in top 16 aswell.
I was under the impression that the Korean invitees don't earn ranking points for the subsequent MLG's, but apparently that is not the case with DRG being seeded here.
This is probably the least menacing group of 4 Korean invitees to a MLG event so far. Nada just doesn't seem to fare well in non-Korean tournaments, while I haven't been impressed by Coca and Trickster of late.
On August 13 2011 00:25 Brolphe wrote: I am pretty sure MMA got his code S spot from MLG Columbus, not MLG Anaheim because the group selection was the same day that MLG was finishing so they had no way of knowing MMA would finish second, meaning Boxer will get a code S spot because he finished 3rd. Also, FUCK YES NADA!!!!
No it wasn't, there was time in between.
And no Code S spot was given out for MLG Columbus, this has been said 16879126897126897 times. They didn't change the Up/Down format until this season, so there was no spot to give.
On August 13 2011 00:20 Brolphe wrote: "Absolutely no ZvP for Idra to worry about".......... if he's still complaining about ZvP imbalance then that's ridiculous because ZvP is WAY in favor of zerg at the moment.
Oh he is. Watch the IPL 2 EU broadcast that's coming up in 35 minutes (day 14). Idra vs. Mana.
Let's just say that IGN is probably glad that they had the mature language filter on.
On August 12 2011 19:26 Titorelli wrote: Wow again 0-5 for Incontrol
Dont count him out yet hes been practicing hard with StrifeCrow Machine Idra and AxSlave and i think it will pay off this tournament.
Even if he improves a lot, I can't see him coming close to taking a game off Coca, Rain, Huk, Naniwa, or whoever makes it through the stacked open bracket.
On August 13 2011 00:20 Brolphe wrote: "Absolutely no ZvP for Idra to worry about".......... if he's still complaining about ZvP imbalance then that's ridiculous because ZvP is WAY in favor of zerg at the moment.
Oh he is. Watch the IPL 2 EU broadcast that's coming up in 35 minutes (day 14). Idra vs. Mana.
Let's just say that IGN is probably glad that they had the mature language filter on.
On August 12 2011 19:26 Titorelli wrote: Wow again 0-5 for Incontrol
Dont count him out yet hes been practicing hard with StrifeCrow Machine Idra and AxSlave and i think it will pay off this tournament.
Even if he improves a lot, I can't see him coming close to taking a game off Coca, Rain, Huk, Naniwa, or whoever makes it through the stacked open bracket.
On August 13 2011 00:20 Brolphe wrote: "Absolutely no ZvP for Idra to worry about".......... if he's still complaining about ZvP imbalance then that's ridiculous because ZvP is WAY in favor of zerg at the moment.
Oh he is. Watch the IPL 2 EU broadcast that's coming up in 35 minutes (day 14). Idra vs. Mana.
Let's just say that IGN is probably glad that they had the mature language filter on.
What did he say?
Ya I have to agree that even if Incontrol is prepared, he is still playing in a very strong group and I still think he will go 0-5... but who knows maybe he will surprise us.
As for the IPL with IdrA vs Mana you may as well just watch the series which will be on but just in case...
I didn't watch it, but from what I have heard, Mana was down 0-2, but then ended up winning 3-2 as IdrA left quickly when he lost the edge and made some comment like "this is ridiculous" during the 5th game, and before leaving said "fuck you" instead of a gg.
On August 12 2011 19:26 Titorelli wrote: Wow again 0-5 for Incontrol
Dont count him out yet hes been practicing hard with StrifeCrow Machine Idra and AxSlave and i think it will pay off this tournament.
Yeah I realised I sounded like one of those Incontrol hates there, sorry for that. I know hes been practising hard in the team house but still his group is soooo ridiculously hard. I mean top 2 foreigners and 2 Koreans lol
Idra always seems to get the easy pool at mlg where he can cruise to 2nd and automatically get a decent standing in the tournament >,> Its too bad cause I really think he needs an asskicking to motivate his arrogant ass to train harder again, he keeps getting these easy pools with only 1 good korean and 2nd tier foreigners and does pretty good so probably thinks he doesn't need to train much more. If he was in pool A he could possibly go 0-5. /flee idra fanbois
On August 13 2011 00:20 Brolphe wrote: "Absolutely no ZvP for Idra to worry about".......... if he's still complaining about ZvP imbalance then that's ridiculous because ZvP is WAY in favor of zerg at the moment.
Oh he is. Watch the IPL 2 EU broadcast that's coming up in 35 minutes (day 14). Idra vs. Mana.
Let's just say that IGN is probably glad that they had the mature language filter on.
It's not really fair to use that as evidence of him CURRENTLY complaining about the matchup, since IPL games are recorded a month or two in advance.
the heck why are people still rating slush at the bottom of whatever group he's in? He consistantly gets at least 2 wins in pool play and then wins 2 thourgh 3 sets after pool. yet every time i see any one rates how they think people will finish he's always at the bottom.
I can understand ranking him below the koreans but really tlo? why the heck is tlo considered better then slush? also as far as koreans go slush beat select in the last mlg sure it's just on set but I think slush should be higher then him as well.
glad to see MMA isn't coming. Somehow i hate the way he plays. Happy for DRG coming back. Sad to see the foreigner's hopes in group a together again. Rain and Coca will be hard to beat but they both have vp's that are limited compared to DRG's. Can't wait for Nani to pull a miracle.
wooo 2nd chance for DRG to get his code S spot I really hope machine and select do well too, they are IMO both great players that haven't had very good results lately, same with TLO whose probably one of my favorite players still despite me not playing T anymore.
what i would do for a nada stream... and i think he has a good shot at taking this with the koreans that are joining him and boxer's performance at mlg
On August 12 2011 20:16 sOda~ wrote: since rain cant play in the gsl for a while ( i think thats right) and DRG is the only other korean player in group play, does that mean DRG only has to place above any koreans that make it through the open bracket to earn his spot in code S?
Code S is available only for the winner of the competition.
Code A is available for the best non-koreans.
but mma didnt win the last mlg and got a code s spot so...
That was because IMMVP(the winner) currently has a spot in Code S, hence the spot going to MMA
I am pretty sure MMA got his code S spot from MLG Columbus, not MLG Anaheim because the group selection was the same day that MLG was finishing so they had no way of knowing MMA would finish second, meaning Boxer will get a code S spot because he finished 3rd. Also, FUCK YES NADA!!!!
On August 13 2011 00:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Haypro has never been outside of top 16 in any of the 3 MLG's what are you tallking about?
This has a lot to do with how the pools and points are structured for MLG. It is WAY too forgiving for players who are already in pool play.
Not that I think Haypro isn't an awesome player. I love his play - but to say his results are good because he's top 16 is a huge stretch.
Yea hopefully they'll change how it works next year.. You basically get handed a top 25 or something finish just by being seeded into pool play based on tourney results months ago and the fact that you keep getting points even when you go 1-6 for the tournament like inc...
On August 13 2011 00:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Haypro has never been outside of top 16 in any of the 3 MLG's what are you tallking about?
This has a lot to do with how the pools and points are structured for MLG. It is WAY too forgiving for players who are already in pool play.
Not that I think Haypro isn't an awesome player. I love his play - but to say his results are good because he's top 16 is a huge stretch.
Yea hopefully they'll change how it works next year.. You basically get handed a top 25 or something finish just by being seeded into pool play based on tourney results months ago and the fact that you keep getting points even when you go 1-6 for the tournament like inc...
You might be interested in reading this. The whole thread really, and the recent vVv Loser's Bracket Podcast with Sundance on it. Lots of information on next season's overhaul of the MLG season structure.
Only one Teamkill situation for TL, but if Tyler goes through the Open again, there might be another one. Pool A and B are probably the hardest. I think you can tell at least two clear favourites for every group though.
Go IdrA! there's only two Korean Terran so far! ;D
On August 13 2011 12:34 Fefe wrote: Only one Teamkill situation for TL, but if Tyler goes through the Open again, there might be another one. Pool A and B are probably the hardest. I think you can tell at least two clear favourites for every group though.
Go IdrA! there's only two Korean Terran so far! ;D
Looks good! A lot of match ups to look forward to! Ret has really been impressive lately. I am no expert but it really seems like he has improved his game in a big bad way. I'm curious to see how he performs. I'd bet that iNcontrol has had some time to practice and if he has he may surprise some people. Idra is Idra and could win anything anytime anywhere. Great lineup!
I think MMA should go for open bracket if Polt beats him again I feel like its not an MLG without MMA. These batches of Koreans for this MLG seem weaker than the past ones I don't really foresee a top 3 all Korean MLG this time well maybe DRG will be in top 3 at least. They should send GuineaPig and JYP next time
On August 13 2011 15:25 skrzmark wrote: I think MMA should go for open bracket if Polt beats him again I feel like its not an MLG without MMA. These batches of Koreans for this MLG seem weaker than the past ones I don't really foresee a top 3 all Korean MLG this time well maybe DRG will be in top 3 at least. They should send GuineaPig and JYP next time
MMA has the #2 seed after Naniwa so there would be no reason for him to go into the open bracket.
I really think MMA and MVP should go and grab their free money.
don't get me wrong but why do you have to hire Husky to cast along side Day9? Husky does a great job entertaining the bronze-gold players in his "instructional" vods (though the music videos entertain us all!) but he is not suited for this job. He lacks the level of understanding that is required, by alot. Same goes with DjWheat. Great guys but not suited for the job.
It's a shame really, I have to watch the blue stream muted.
On August 13 2011 19:11 Sina92 wrote: don't get me wrong but why do you have to hire Husky to cast along side Day9? Husky does a great job entertaining the bronze-gold players in his "instructional" vods (though the music videos entertain us all!) but he is not suited for this job. He lacks the level of understanding that is required, by alot. Same goes with DjWheat. Great guys but not suited for the job.
It's a shame really, I have to watch the blue stream muted.
Yet another uneducated rant about a decent caster.
Look, if you feel like you are the top notch of starcraft 2 players and casters then go cast yourself, or at least bring solid arguments, but without any prove(and you guys NEVER brought any) Husky will always stay a decent caster. He is way better than many others and you guys are just completely RANDOMLY hating on him. Because thats what cool master league players do, right? The hipser starcraft 2 player has to - hate koreans - hate husky - hate attacking before 15 minutes and calling the player all ining scrub if he does.
@Topic: I don't like that there are so few koreans. But thats how the system works, I guess. At least some guys will be worth watching; I hope MLG will keep inviting more koreans! :3
On August 13 2011 19:11 Sina92 wrote: don't get me wrong but why do you have to hire Husky to cast along side Day9? Husky does a great job entertaining the bronze-gold players in his "instructional" vods (though the music videos entertain us all!) but he is not suited for this job. He lacks the level of understanding that is required, by alot. Same goes with DjWheat. Great guys but not suited for the job.
It's a shame really, I have to watch the blue stream muted.
Yet another uneducated rant about a decent caster.
Look, if you feel like you are the top notch of starcraft 2 players and casters then go cast yourself, or at least bring solid arguments, but without any prove(and you guys NEVER brought any) Husky will always stay a decent caster. He is way better than many others and you guys are just completely RANDOMLY hating on him. Because thats what cool master league players do, right? The hipser starcraft 2 player has to - hate koreans - hate husky - hate attacking before 15 minutes and calling the player all ining scrub if he does.
@Topic: I don't like that there are so few koreans. But thats how the system works, I guess. At least some guys will be worth watching; I hope MLG will keep inviting more koreans! :3
I think you have a score to settle with someone, however I don't understand why you unleash your anger in your reply. You also seem to have a weak grasp of the average, and "hipster" SC2 player.
The fact that Husky is better than a couple of other casters doesn't justify that he should be the one casting MLG.
Do you make your own facts up because it is easier to hate on something concrete?
DRG: As he's not a Korean invite and is only coming due to his coL partnership, he is going to have another Korean in his group. He's rather fortunate that that one Korean is Trickster, a player that seems to be entirely content just sticking around Code S, not really improving much (still the 2nd best player in the group). Add to this the fact that the remainder of his group is full of more-or-less middling pro talents, and this is the best draw DRG could have expected. Not guaranteed to win, as Trickster is still a Code S Protoss, but damn, it's as close as you can get to a guarantee.
IdrA: Yes, he has Saint Bomber - probably the best player in the tournament - in his group. Bad news. The IdrA from Anaheim can't beat Bomber. The IdrA from Anaheim can, however, be virtually assured to get second in his group. He drew probably the most terrifying Korean invite in his group and odds are, he's going to lose that match. But there's no one in this group that can really challenge IdrA for 2nd, unless IdrA and Machine have continued their trend of looking more like each other in both appearance and play.
Team Liquid: My Little Pony has 5 people in Pool Play. There are 4 pools. There's going to be at least one team kill. And fortunate for TL, there is exactly one team kill. This is the single best draw TL could have hoped for. Yes, HuK's in the group of death, but HuK is one of the big reasons *why* Group A is the group of death. HuK has a very realistic shot of taking that group. TLO's kind of getting shafted, but given the results he's posted, I don't think being placed in a better group would have helped him. HayprO has a legitimate shot at 3rd in his group. And then you get to Group D, where the only competitor to your Code A-level Zergs is the regularly-scheduled Korean invite. I don't see Ret/Sheth taking lower than 2nd/3rd, and while either of them beating NaDa would be surprising in the common consciousness, NaDa's TvZ is far from invincible. This is a damn good group line-up for TL.
Losers:
mOoNan: Moonan's probably the second-most underrated foreigner behind Socke. He's very good compared to most of the rest of the foreign scene, and could get a good, solid 3rd in groups that aren't A. It just so happens that D is the less-obviously 2nd best group. The problem with D is very much unlike A: it's not that everyone in the group could take the tournament, it's that everyone in the group would come in 2nd in most other groups. Ret, Sheth, and NaDa will be the top 3 in some order, in all likelihood, leaving Moonan to duke it out with the top seed in his group for 4th. It's not that I doubt he could beat KiWiKaKi, he's still in pretty bad shape in the championship bracket, which encourages group kills, which is more of a problem for...
Everyone in Group A: Oh, god. I feel awful for iNcontroL. He went 0-5 in what was a pretty average MLG group at Columbus. So what does he get for Raleigh? Probably the 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th best players seeded into pool play. If the open bracket is anywhere near as terrifying as Anaheim, this could be a rough tournament for iNcontroL. Couple this with the fact that the Championship Loser's Bracket is pretty fucked up, and iNcontroL's completely shafted. I feel for you. And then there's everyone else. To put this in perspective: either a Code S player or the world's most ambitious player will be seeded - at best - 4th. This player will probably win their first two sets in the Championship Bracket, only to play... the 2nd seed from Group A. Like I said, Championship Bracket. Fucked up.
Drewbie: He's the 1st seed in the Open Bracket. Look, I'm not going to say he's guaranteed to make it into pool play. He's consistently been 0-5'd in pool play. But if he does make it through the Open Bracket, he's going to get seeded into group A, allowing him to continue his 2011 tradition of getting 0-5'd in pool play. And that's terrible.
On August 13 2011 20:00 vdale wrote: It's disappointing that there will be so few Europeans at MLG Raleigh.
Low prize money they have no chance of winning due to superior Koreans.
Europeans have to invest much money compared to the money when they attend tourneys in Europe. The ROI isn't really great especially when koreans attend. And the format is also a reason. U have to fight ur way through the open bracket (usually two times or more if u don't make a top spot) and can get defeated pretty early. Darkforce and Hasuobs mentioned that reason also in a cast
This european low attendance will continue as long as things stay like this
On August 13 2011 20:00 vdale wrote: It's disappointing that there will be so few Europeans at MLG Raleigh.
Low prize money they have no chance of winning due to superior Koreans.
Europeans have to invest much money compared to the money when they attend tourneys in Europe. The ROI isn't really great especially when koreans attend. And the format is also a reason. U have to fight ur way through the open bracket (usually two times or more if u don't make a top spot) and can get defeated pretty early. Darkforce and Hasuobs mentioned that reason also in a cast
This european low attendance will continue as long as things stay like this
I can't really think of a solution though other than the europeans training harder and playing better. Even when the prize pool goes up next time out you will still need to finish top8 to make your money back, which is extremely hard from the open bracket if you're not Korean.
mvp is still in the gsl, and im guessing he feels he has a pretty damn good chance in continuing to advance in the code s tourney if he didnt accept the mlg invite
Geez, those pools are sick... especially pool a. I think Idra lucked out though. I'm disappointed at the lack of Protoss and the fact that 3 of them are in one group D:
Any tournament DRG plays in will be a spectacle, sometimes he shows some really amazing play, and I can't get enough of it. Every MLG from here on out is bound to be stacked, between the intense foreign storylines and all the new korean invites, MLG is such a sick good tourney now
On August 15 2011 13:09 Zorba wrote: Predictions: 1/2 A: Huk/iNcontroL
B: IdrA/Bomber
C: DRG/Tester
D: Sheth/Nada
iNcontroL over Naniwa, Rain, and Coca? Not so sure about that, but maybe the EG house will help him out. I agree with most of your other picks, except replace Sheth with Ret in Group D.
On August 21 2011 00:12 FidoDido wrote: MVP isn't coming to MLG means he's serious about winning this GSL! Nestea will never go to MLG unless they increase the prize pool lol
I have a friend who is planning to go to raleigh. Anyone with previous MLG experience have experience to share? Ie bringing folding chair/water/food, how early you have to be to get a good seat/interact with the pros.
On August 12 2011 06:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: finally somewhat decent (not great) groups for us
Since everything on the internet is a well planned conspiracy, can we read this as an early hint Huk was leaving?
Where in the world are you seeing any connection there? MLGs are historically a Liquid team kill bloodbath (one pool had 3 of 5 and then 4 of 6 Liquid in it at Anaheim) and this time there's only one team kill in the pool seedings.
On August 15 2011 13:09 Zorba wrote: Predictions: 1/2 A: Huk/iNcontroL
B: IdrA/Bomber
C: DRG/Tester
D: Sheth/Nada
iNcontroL over Naniwa, Rain, and Coca? Not so sure about that, but maybe the EG house will help him out. I agree with most of your other picks, except replace Sheth with Ret in Group D.
Man this is one hardcore EG fanboy lol. Here are my picks :D
A. Huk/Coca B. Idra/Bomber C. DRG/Select (Hardest group to pick for me, Slush always kills it at MLG and you never know with Tester...) D. oGsNada/Ret
And three of those players I don't like at all, so they are completely unbiased I can tell you that!
Well Bomber will take Raleigh 1st place, keeping up the terran dominance I expect HuK and Naniwa to be the best foreigners, possibly Ret might place above them but don't see any other foreigner do it.
On August 12 2011 06:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: finally somewhat decent (not great) groups for us
Since everything on the internet is a well planned conspiracy, can we read this as an early hint Huk was leaving?
Where in the world are you seeing any connection there? MLGs are historically a Liquid team kill bloodbath (one pool had 3 of 5 and then 4 of 6 Liquid in it at Anaheim) and this time there's only one team kill in the pool seedings.
But 5 ppl spread across 4 groups 1,1,1,2 is as good as you will get. But if Huk isn't TL it is 4 spread across 4 groups 0,1,1,2. Explaining the "not great" comment. But I was only joking anyway.
I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
MVP would rather not reveal builds and suffer jetlag and lost practice time for a shot at $5000 when he's aiming for the 10x more valuable GSL Code S win, and to get his 3rd GSL like Nestea.
Huk is flying all over constantly because he's obligated to due to his contract with EG.
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
Maybe he doesn't like the conditions? He does have CTS, playing for a long time does take a toll on his wrists. Also, the prize pool is a joke considering the competition.
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
maybe it just didn't enjoy anaheim that much and doesn't care that much about the possible 5k and instead he'll just keep practicing in korea, assuming he beats nestea tomorrow.
Well, I guess Mlg wouldn't accept an answer from MVP if he loses to nestea tomorrow and suddenly says he wants to come 1 day before the event kicks off, no? Also MLG isn't just a weekend for the pros, they are jet lagged and lose precious practice time, especially if you are gsl win contender.
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
MVP would rather not reveal builds and suffer jetlag and lost practice time for a shot at $5000 when he's aiming for the 10x more valuable GSL Code S win, and to get his 3rd GSL like Nestea.
Huk is flying all over constantly because he's obligated to due to his contract with EG.
Revealing builds? That's kind of silly. And what makes MvP so special that he won't suffer jetlag for his job? And if he loses to Nestea, he gets less than $2,000 dollars. Does he actually think his chances of getting at least Runner-up (the only prize pool > MLG 1st place) is higher than 1st place at MLG? And he can do both, he could go to MLG and be back for Code S, just like Huk.
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
Maybe he doesn't like the conditions? He does have CTS, playing for a long time does take a toll on his wrists. Also, the prize pool is a joke considering the competition.
Wouldn't he be playing less at a competition rather than training? And the prize pool is a joke, if he goes to MLG Raleigh, he would be the favorite to win 1st, which is higher than anything other than Runner-up in Code S.
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
maybe it just didn't enjoy anaheim that much and doesn't care that much about the possible 5k and instead he'll just keep practicing in korea, assuming he beats nestea tomorrow.
Well, I guess Mlg wouldn't accept an answer from MVP if he loses to nestea tomorrow and suddenly says he wants to come 1 day before the event kicks off, no? Also MLG isn't just a weekend for the pros, they are jet lagged and lose precious practice time, especially if you are gsl win contender.
I'd say anyone in Ro16 could be a GSL win contender (at least most). But it could be possible he doesn't like MLG, but that almost seems selfish. I can't exactly understand not attending events just because he doesn't want to, considering his profession.
It's MVPs decision, going to mlg basically burn about one week of practice due to competing, traveling and being jet lagged. If I would have to face Nestea a couple days before MLG and potentially play in the ro8 afterwards, I wouldn't go to mlg either.
On August 23 2011 21:45 Lorch wrote: It's MVPs decision, going to mlg basically burn about one week of practice due to competing, traveling and being jet lagged. If I would have to face Nestea a couple days before MLG and potentially play in the ro8 afterwards, I wouldn't go to mlg either.
His match vs Nestea is moot, and Nestea is absolutely 100% the strongest player left. His Ro8 match will be much easier, and Huk and Nada have to do the same thing (totally forgot that Nada was going.) Huk and Nada go against each other the same day as MvP vs. Nestea, and Huk and Nada will go to Raleigh and then one of them will play in the Ro8. Except that the chances of Huk or Nada getting past Ro8 is lower than MvP's chances.
i feel like theres generally less hype about raleigh than there was for anaheim. maybe because there was more time before anaheim to promote it and hype it up. im hoping for a great weekend though :D
On August 24 2011 03:11 Arschmade wrote: If Bomber doesn't miss his flight, he will win this thing no matter what.
No offence or anything but is this Bomber hype actually based on something? I mean, I personally haven't seen anything that would prove that Bomber is far superior to everyone else. And even if he can beat foreigners, there's actually quite many very very good Koreans in the tournament as well.
On August 24 2011 03:11 Arschmade wrote: If Bomber doesn't miss his flight, he will win this thing no matter what.
No offence or anything but is this Bomber hype actually based on something? I mean, I personally haven't seen anything that would prove that Bomber is far superior to everyone else. And even if he can beat foreigners, there's actually quite many very very good Koreans in the tournament as well.
On August 24 2011 03:11 Arschmade wrote: If Bomber doesn't miss his flight, he will win this thing no matter what.
No offence or anything but is this Bomber hype actually based on something? I mean, I personally haven't seen anything that would prove that Bomber is far superior to everyone else. And even if he can beat foreigners, there's actually quite many very very good Koreans in the tournament as well.
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
MVP would rather not reveal builds and suffer jetlag and lost practice time for a shot at $5000 when he's aiming for the 10x more valuable GSL Code S win, and to get his 3rd GSL like Nestea.
Huk is flying all over constantly because he's obligated to due to his contract with EG.
Revealing builds? That's kind of silly. And what makes MvP so special that he won't suffer jetlag for his job? And if he loses to Nestea, he gets less than $2,000 dollars. Does he actually think his chances of getting at least Runner-up (the only prize pool > MLG 1st place) is higher than 1st place at MLG? And he can do both, he could go to MLG and be back for Code S, just like Huk.
i Think yuo are thinking of Code A. Runner up for code S is like 15k
On August 24 2011 03:11 Arschmade wrote: If Bomber doesn't miss his flight, he will win this thing no matter what.
No offence or anything but is this Bomber hype actually based on something? I mean, I personally haven't seen anything that would prove that Bomber is far superior to everyone else. And even if he can beat foreigners, there's actually quite many very very good Koreans in the tournament as well.
He is at the same level as MMA and he won MLG. But it will be interesting if someone can get the CodeS Spot. Because as far as I know you need to get at least in the Top3 to get it and Bomber already has one and DRG is in CodeA. Maybe PuMa can get Top3 and gets the CodeS Spot. I would like to see if he has the level to be in CodeS... and there a way to few Terrans in the GSL :p
On August 23 2011 21:27 Hnnngg wrote: I'm still confused why MvP declined. I know that he did decline but why. EGHuk is going to the event, and he has his Code S match the same day. And if MvP beats Nestea (if he beats Nestea.......) then his next match wouldn't be until after the event.
"yeas korea > anaheim > finland > holland > anaheim > korea > germany > korea > raleigh > korea in about a month? feel like im about to die;;" - @LorangerChris
What does MvP do? Korea > Anaheim > Korea > nope.jpeg. It just seems ridiculous that he would decline since it doesn't directly interfere with anything from GSL (he doesn't have a GSTL match either.)
I can only see this as a slap in the face to MLG. If Huk can and will do it (on top of going to Finland, Germany, and Holland, instead of going back to Korea), why not IMMvP?
MVP would rather not reveal builds and suffer jetlag and lost practice time for a shot at $5000 when he's aiming for the 10x more valuable GSL Code S win, and to get his 3rd GSL like Nestea.
Huk is flying all over constantly because he's obligated to due to his contract with EG.
Revealing builds? That's kind of silly. And what makes MvP so special that he won't suffer jetlag for his job? And if he loses to Nestea, he gets less than $2,000 dollars. Does he actually think his chances of getting at least Runner-up (the only prize pool > MLG 1st place) is higher than 1st place at MLG? And he can do both, he could go to MLG and be back for Code S, just like Huk.
i Think yuo are thinking of Code A. Runner up for code S is like 15k
He means if MVP loses to NesTea in RO16 he gets less than 2k!
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Also sad that MC, MMA and Boxer didn't return like DRG.
it's already been posted! SC2 community is always ahead...
can only 1 advance or is it top 2?
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