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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 22:58:12
August 11 2011 22:58 GMT
#381
Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:00:15
August 11 2011 22:58 GMT
#382
On August 12 2011 07:53 Serpico wrote:
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On August 12 2011 07:50 mrRoflpwn wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:48 Serpico wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:46 Serpico wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:45 Serpico wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:40 ShootingStars wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:37 Wasteweiser wrote:
Wow this is getting FLOODED with koreans soon we wont even have foriegners in our events... I'm sorry but why do we have to give all our money to koreans?

Because foreigners don't practice enough. It's their fault if their skill level is not up to par with the Koreans. If they want to become better they have to stop being lazy and practice 8-12 hours a day. To win money you have to be one of the best.

aka broodwar sweatshop hours is what people are going to demand.


If someone chooses to dedicate that much time to be great at the game, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're unwilling to match his dedication.

Except it's fallacious to think practicing more than 10 hours a day is even productive.


Completely irrelevant - Koreans are obviously doing something right in their practice routines when compared to foreigners, and a large part of it can be contributed to practice time and quality.

how is practice time irrelevant? What are you talking about? Go practice 14 hours a day and tell me it's better than 8-10. You'll be the one run down with no stamina and everyone else will be fresh.

Have you ever practiced 10 hours a day? No right? so then shut up because obviously practicing a lot and working hard is working for the Koreans. It's the same reason China, Korea, and Japan have the best education systems- the people work hard and their country's are now successful.

Lol are you ok? Will you calm down now? Do you really believe just doing something for tons of time makes you better with no diminishing returns? There has to be a certain method and structure to it. You don't just condition yourself as a competitior by exhausting yourself every day. If I can get what you get done in less time because I practice better then that's superior. The point is that you can practice for 12 hours a day and you can still be garbage. It's how you approach your practice. Also the education system stuff came pretty far out of left field too. Most asian countries excel in mathematics for example because it's SOLELY about repetition and memorization. You can just throw hours at it and be good. SC 2 is more about decision making then mechanics still.


Did you really just say that mathematics is solely about repetition and memorization? What, do you think advanced mathematics is just more memorizing equations? Really? Not only that, Asian countries' school systems excel in all areas of academics, not just mathematics.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
August 11 2011 23:00 GMT
#383
If north-american and european teams want to perform, they will have to change their internal organization. I'm not talking just about "pro-houses". Teams also need to introduce the Kespa inspired system of code A and B players. In boxing, a champion needs good sparring partners. In Broodwar, all code A/S players needed practice partners that repeated ten or twenty times the same openings until they perfectly knew all the timings of a certain building order on an specific map. If North-America wants some champions, they should start training their best players to become champions. Take a team like EG, the only players with potential are Idra and Puma. All the others players should just become their practice partners. I'm not saying they shouldn't compete, as even practice partners become better through training, but you should focus your limited resources on your best bet instead of having the same (bad) training regime for all of them and hoping for the best. This also means you need coaches, deciding who does what instead of e-sport managers taking just financial/administrative decisions.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
August 11 2011 23:00 GMT
#384
wondering why Boxer didn't go... guess they want to save their travel money for later, though there's no easier way for Boxer to get back into Code S.
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
August 11 2011 23:01 GMT
#385
Jesus all groups are pretty stacked
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
BittenByIdra
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden32 Posts
August 11 2011 23:01 GMT
#386
Foreigners fighting~
Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2011
233 Posts
August 11 2011 23:03 GMT
#387
Again more korean terrans then zerg/toss.
Hopefully it will not become a terran festival again
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
August 11 2011 23:03 GMT
#388
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote:
Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.


Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA
Jjakji | Sage | Seal | Shuttle | DongRaeGu | oGsTheSTC | Bomber | Curious | Oz
Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1183 Posts
August 11 2011 23:03 GMT
#389
On August 12 2011 07:40 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Players average game W/L ratio in 2011 (Dallas - Columbus - Anaheim)

Naniwa: 7 - 1,29 - 1,43


I just had to quote this and bold it because of how awesome it is.

"Hey, Naniwa, what was your win/loss ratio for MLG Dallas?"

"Uh, seven."

"Seven? Is that good?"

"Uh, it's okay."

"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:05:53
August 11 2011 23:05 GMT
#390
On August 12 2011 08:03 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 07:40 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Players average game W/L ratio in 2011 (Dallas - Columbus - Anaheim)

Naniwa: 7 - 1,29 - 1,43


I just had to quote this and bold it because of how awesome it is.

"Hey, Naniwa, what was your win/loss ratio for MLG Dallas?"

"Uh, seven."

"Seven? Is that good?"

"Uh, it's okay."


Even better:

"Nestea, what was your win/loss ratio at the last GSL?"

"Undefined."

namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
August 11 2011 23:06 GMT
#391
Would be awesome if the MLG system would actually punish somehow for going 0-5 in your group. You still get some +140 points or something for losing every game you play. Heck, even I could go and lose in MLG like that.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
August 11 2011 23:07 GMT
#392
On August 12 2011 08:03 LiamTheZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote:
Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.


Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA


I dont think you understand... koreans own white dudes most of the time.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
August 11 2011 23:09 GMT
#393
On August 12 2011 07:43 KinQuh wrote:
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On August 12 2011 07:42 ptrpb wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:32 FairForever wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:31 Gezuz wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:30 FairForever wrote:
Just a question - Naniwa got eliminated from Code A yesterday... is it possible that he can use his Anaheim placement to get Code A again next season?


I think thats exactly whats going to happen


Lol... Naniwa is going to have a lifetime Code A status through MLG as much as I like Naniwa, I do think this is a little unfair, I hope next season they allow Koreans to take 1 or 2 of the Code A spots and leave 1 or 2 for the top foreigner placements.


That doesn't make it an exchange then, it makes it "HEY KOREANS COME TO AMERICA TO GET CODE A!", besides if no one beats out NaNiwa for the Code A spot, why is he not allowed to keep it? The way they have it now is perfectly fine imo.

This , if nobody can stop naniwa from getting his code A spot he's going to keep it.


It's not that no one can stop Naniwa, even if he finishes 10th or 12th at this MLG (I think he'll do better) he'll still get the spot because how many people competing in MLG have interest in going to Code A? Slush/Sheth/Idra all have declined multiple times, HuK has a spot... who does that leave who has an interest in taking one of the top 3 spots?

At the least I think they should cap Code A to Top 14 or so.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 11 2011 23:09 GMT
#394
On August 12 2011 08:03 LiamTheZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote:
Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.


Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA

I think you're saying the same thing as I am.
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:14:31
August 11 2011 23:12 GMT
#395
On August 12 2011 08:07 doihy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:03 LiamTheZerg wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:58 Jyvblamo wrote:
Huk won DH with a comparable pool of Korean players, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to see one of Huk/Naniwa/Ret in the top 3 at this MLG.


Did you see the last MLG? The only amazing player at this one is DRG. Without other incredible TvZ koreans there i see him getting farther than before. This should be easier as a whole because no offense to the invites but Tester and Coca arent amazing. Nada's done good in the past but is no MVP/MMA


I dont think you understand... koreans own white dudes most of the time.



I did, thats why i posted that. I don't think Huk was a chance at top 3. He got 2-1'ed by DRG, where the 1st/3rd games made him look like a joke. DRG placed last of all the koreans or 2nd to last. Huk at the moment is the best of those 3 players.

I dont see any of them beating DRG, Bomber, Rain, maybe even Nada.

Edit-No im not saying the same as the guy above me, i was saying that DRG should win this but the other Koreans will still own him. Cocas still a code S, Tester, although not known, is still solid material, Bombers amazing, Rains amazing, and its Nada. I know i criticized them in my 1st post but that was compared to DRG. Compared to foreigners lol
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SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
August 11 2011 23:13 GMT
#396
why do they have 3 protoss in one group. almost wish this wasn't completely random. On top of that, nani and huk again
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
August 11 2011 23:14 GMT
#397
LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.
Holy check.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
August 11 2011 23:15 GMT
#398
On August 12 2011 08:14 KinQuh wrote:
LOLOLOLO incontrol beat one guy and got 130 points while demuslim fought trough the open bracket and got 6. WBC got trough the open bracket and got some win at the losers bracket and got only 140. So we only need about 100 MLGs for wbc to get to the pools.


It is quite sweet system, isn't it.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
August 11 2011 23:16 GMT
#399
On August 12 2011 08:05 imareaver3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:03 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
On August 12 2011 07:40 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Players average game W/L ratio in 2011 (Dallas - Columbus - Anaheim)

Naniwa: 7 - 1,29 - 1,43


I just had to quote this and bold it because of how awesome it is.

"Hey, Naniwa, what was your win/loss ratio for MLG Dallas?"

"Uh, seven."

"Seven? Is that good?"

"Uh, it's okay."


Even better:

"Nestea, what was your win/loss ratio at the last GSL?"

"Undefined."



Haha, win.

I'd really like to see code A spots go to Koreans though. If Ganzi wants to come in, go through 11 consecutive BO3s via the open bracket then pool play then championship than he deserves a code A spot. The way it is right now with the stagnant pool players the code A spots are being wasted completely with the same players turning them down each time. It's to the point where being in the top 16 gets you a code A spot. Also note that there are only 20 pool spots for non-invites. Just being in pool play is a pass to code A.

It's silly really, the reason why foreigners can't compete in the GSL aside from Huk is that they really just aren't good enough.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
August 11 2011 23:16 GMT
#400
Huk and Naniwa together again

But atleast there's no all liquid group this time
We make signature, then defense it.
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