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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
I don't like watching 45 minutes of turtling to have 1 battle that decides the game. I used to watch EVERY game on honcast.com and then one day I thought to myself "why the hell am I even watching this if I barely enjoy most of the games?" ... and then I discovered SC2 MOBA are incredibly fun to play, but personally I feel watching them is boring most of the time, I find very few SC2 competitive games boring. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:27 Angra wrote: What is your experience with the genre? Is it only LoL? Because I think there's a lot of cases to make for at least DotA taking just as much skill as SC2, albeit a very different skillset. Being more fun and more addictive is of course up to each individual, however. I played dota for about 3-4 years. and I was atleast the equal of some very good SEA players. I can recognize the names of GM players on the SEA server that I played and beat at dota. For comparison I only got promoted to diamond out of platinum in season 3. Though it may just be my talent set, I am weak in multitasking and microing many units, while good at strategy, teamwork, timing and mapawareness, so personally I found Dota much easier. | ||
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
On August 10 2011 03:33 Cosmos wrote: Would be nice to see a Dota ON starcraft 2 (like blizzard promised) so the fans of MOBA games could come on sc2  SC2 dota will come with the map market. I heard they completely started over on it :X probs more info at blizzcon. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:31 Tektos wrote: Watching competitive HoN/LoL and even DoTA I found that 9 out of 10 games were boring turtle games to see who could edge out the farming / level advantage. Game then comes down to 1 team battle which basically wins you the game. I don't like watching 45 minutes of turtling to have 1 battle that decides the game. I used to watch EVERY game on honcast.com and then one day I thought to myself "why the hell am I even watching this if I barely enjoy most of the games?" ... and then I discovered SC2 MOBA are incredibly fun to play, but personally I feel watching them is boring most of the time, I find very few SC2 competitive games boring. What you're saying isn't even descriptive of League of Legends, which is the most turtleish and least action-packed of the scene. There are often a handful of battles in that game. As for HoN and DotA, particularly in HoN... You'll see roaming and action pretty early on, with much higher kill counts than in LoL. There is a lot of farming involved, but there is a ton of ganking and roaming and little skirmishes in HoN and DotA, you generally don't focus on the one or two guys farming as the observer, because the other players are running around making sure that those people can farm. It's a massive balancing act with plenty of action involved in my experience. It's kind of funny really, considering most people complain about games that are too short in SC2 and want to see macro games. It's really not very different in regards to HoN/DotA where most games are longer with periods of farming but there are also lots of skirmishes and team fights. League of Legends suffers from being incredibly passive though. | ||
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BandonBanshee
Canada437 Posts
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maka.albarn
United States102 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:31 Tektos wrote: Watching competitive HoN/LoL and even DoTA I found that 9 out of 10 games were boring turtle games to see who could edge out the farming / level advantage. Game then comes down to 1 team battle which basically wins you the game. I don't like watching 45 minutes of turtling to have 1 battle that decides the game. I used to watch EVERY game on honcast.com and then one day I thought to myself "why the hell am I even watching this if I barely enjoy most of the games?" ... and then I discovered SC2 MOBA are incredibly fun to play, but personally I feel watching them is boring most of the time, I find very few SC2 competitive games boring. So true, this it will never be a true e-sport like sc2 | ||
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exittlight
Australia271 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:33 RmoteCntrld wrote: SC2 dota will come with the map market. I heard they completely started over on it :X probs more info at blizzcon. DotA would not be played competitively on SC2. DotA 2 has already announced more features than SC2 has (reconnection, LAN, etc),has Icefrog on their side and almost certainly will be cheaper than SC2 (not to mention the expansions on top of that). I can't see any reason SC2Dota would be played besides taking a break from ladder. | ||
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maka.albarn
United States102 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:53 exittlight wrote: DotA would not be played competitively on SC2. DotA 2 has already announced more features than SC2 has (reconnection, LAN, etc),has Icefrog on their side and almost certainly will be cheaper than SC2 (not to mention the expansions on top of that). I can't see any reason SC2Dota would be played besides taking a break from ladder. DOTA 2 will probably be free to play, because HoN and LoL are both F2P | ||
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exittlight
Australia271 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:55 maka.albarn wrote: DOTA 2 will probably be free to play, because HoN and LoL are both F2P I'm not too sure about that. Having a 1.7 million dollar prize pool before the game is released seems a bit overwhelming for a F2P game. I wouldn't be surprised either way though. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:52 maka.albarn wrote: So true, this it will never be a true e-sport like sc2 I'd say DotA is already a true eSport, particularly in China, much like Starcraft 2. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
DotA games aren't all that fun to watch to me.. only to play. | ||
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
To me, the there is a difference between a competitive game and an eSport, so let me explain that a little bit. There are games like DotA/HoN/LoL, Halo, Call of Duty, etc, that in my mind are "competitive games" but not eSports. There is no doubt that these games require a good amount of skill and practice, and are definitely worthy of being played in tournaments for cash prizes. But the difference between these games and StarCraft (especially the BW scene in Korea), is that StarCraft has been sustained as a competitive game for a very long time and has been elevated to more then just a game, but to a business and a primary form of entertainment for many spectators for many years. I feel like MOBA games are pushing the envelope in terms of establishing themselves as an eSport, but that is something that takes a long time in my opinion, mainly because sustainability is a big part in classifying something as an "eSport". I mean, a game like football (american football or soccer, either works) does not just appear overnight, nor does it disappear overnight, unlike some of these so-called "eSports" that ride a wave of popularity and then vanish shortly after. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On August 10 2011 13:57 exittlight wrote: I'm not too sure about that. Having a 1.7 million dollar prize pool before the game is released seems a bit overwhelming for a F2P game. I wouldn't be surprised either way though. The best F2P games make way more of a profit than regular purchased games. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
Basically, it will add to games being competitive and make the scene even bigger, without detracting from the size of SC2's competitive/esport-following community. | ||
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pr0bez
United States50 Posts
Although DotA games are just as complex as sc2, they do require constant mental energy - we've already seen streamers stream LoL instead of sc2 occasionally. The success of Dota games diverts attention from sc2. If DotA 2 has all the advanced tournament and streaming features it promises, then it will up the ante for sc2 to step up their game as well. With more competition, the competitive gaming industries of both communities will strive towards a better product. The games work in synergy as sc2 is a great individual sport and Dota is a great team sport. | ||
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iSTime
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
Sc2 has a bit of a problem because its lacking the huge battles of bw but the commentators make up for it and sc2 players have more of a personality. | ||
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AcrosstheSky
United States237 Posts
But...posting this topic on Team Liquid is useless. Of course were all going to say that Starcraft 2 will do tons better than MOBA. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
It's why FPS games will never be centerstage esports, either. It's just too hard to follow the action or see the skill. | ||
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