EPTNew Women's Team - Page 16
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New rule: If you want to criticize the idea of girls only teams make your own thread. | ||
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1nMack1
Canada88 Posts
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Eleaven
772 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:54 Yuis wrote: Sadly this is not true and I can prove it. At ESL Iron Lady, we had a top GM female player and no one knew about her. We are lucky to have great new recruits Masters + and we growing extremely fast. We hope to get even better and send our players to bigger events. I have tons of examples....For ex:myself. I used to be a top BW player in LatinAmerica, but a girl in SC is not popular as you might think. Same goes in CS, CoD and Quake. As a retired pro player, I like to help these girls to get out there and show their skills to the world. Nothing against guys, I had awesome teammates previously but I have to say, guys got it easy. They don't get harass when people find out you are a boy. It is getting better .....but still pretty hostile (Of course, there are always exceptions and guys never troll IRL...proven fact). So please stop worrying about Karen's personal life and focus on making this community more female friendly. Less trolling more playing imo GL HF! Any post attacking Karen's personal life will be consider as direct harassment and we will take of this the same way Slayers did. I hope this stops now. We are not advertising that we are girls, we are advertising that girls do play games and we can be pretty good at it. That said, We are happy to accept show case matches any time.  GL HF! Especially if you got that... manly edge.. Congrats on riding the storm. A historical thread indeed, best of luck, cultivate some players! :D edit: played vs that iron lady GM player im sure of it. going to recruit? | ||
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Yuis
Canada134 Posts
 I never got a response. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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Azureflames
United States35 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:54 Yuis wrote: Sadly this is not true and I can prove it. At ESL Iron Lady, we had a top GM female player and no one knew about her. I think you might be missing my point. I'm not surprised there's at least one female player potential. But you have to show your potential, otherwise no one will ever know. I watch a lot of StarCraft II tournaments and streams and I've never seen/even heard of a female player who could be competitive with other known players. Though I will admit ESL is one of the leagues I've seen the least games from. Also, playing in a separate league for women, which is what Iron Lady seems to be, is not a very good way to become known. If she's good enough to compete in the non-restricted leagues why play in Iron Lady? Unless she's not interested in professional play, which only leads to the current situation of no female players on known teams. Anyway, I got sidetracked by other shit while writing this post so I'm gonna end it here. | ||
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generalyao
United States262 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:56 Zlasher wrote: Who cares if they had a sexchange in the past or something, from what I'm aware gender is between your ears not your legs. In the fighting game scene there are multiple extremely high profile people that were under the same situation + Show Spoiler [ you're looking at two former guys] + ![[image loading]](http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285482_10100337538222527_3600043_53918986_8096459_n.jpg) One of them is a photographer for large events in the fighting game scene and the other is a model and on television all the time in Japan and is seen as a really big celebrity-status person in Japan. She also fucking kicks ass at street fighter. Damn, I still have a hard time believing those two women or whatever the politically correct term it is used to be dudes. 0_0 Seriously, as a guy, that made me a little confused lol. I was like "hmm this girl is pretty cute, wait...*reads title* these two used to be guys?!?! *inception mind blown*" But in all seriousness, I don't see the reasoning to create a second account trying to show that Karen is a guy. Even if I might not agree or am totally comfortable with the idea of transgender, the person clearly identifies himself or herself as a female. Besides, the person who made an account was a women who wants to make it known to everyone because she is trying to protect "innocent females from possibly getting taken advantage of/tricked/abused by a guy/guys". Seriously? If anything, I find that a bit more ridiculous. Excuse if i'm not exactly politically correct, and I understand that there are women who have had bad experiences with men in the past, but I find that generalization incredibly insulting. Hey, I'm a guy and I support these all-girl teams. It's great for e-sports if the fairer sex starts getting more involved in games. But, to go out of your way, using this "I-hate-all-men" bashing mentality is, I don't know how else to phrase it, retarded and very narrow-minded. Clearly, the team members have no problem with Karen and I doubt she poses any threat to him as a former man. And yes I'm aware that there are many trolls on the internet and that there are many immoral and bad guys in the world, but seriously that's so cynical and the logic is completely out of touch with reality to go to such extent with your "detective work" as if you're doing everyone a favor by revealing the hidden evil plot of some perverted sexual predator. Please. Now, back to the topic of the thread, I might not entirely agree with the concept of a girl-only team because of the double-standard exists that if there was a male-only team where they would not let a player join because she was a girl, there would be a total uproar. However, I am aware that it is almost necessary due to the way things are. I guess the best we can hope for is in the future, things will come to a point where it's not surprising to find girl gamers or girls getting trolled by guys because of their gender. I wish the team best of luck in their endeavors. Despite what I just said above, it is definitely a good thing for the community at least as of right now, as esports is a growing scene and girls are a very small minority in the esports scene right now. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
Considering how the thread turned out, i find this post on page 3 quite funny & accurate. | ||
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DjSpectre
United States62 Posts
Why is it that as nerds we are generally shunned or misunderstood by the general public, yet will do the same (or at least poke fun at) groups that are similar to us? In this case the idea of transgengers. I personally, might find changing sexes extreme, for me, but that doesn't mean someone else didn't try to be happy by way of going that route. And in the end, we all just want to be happy. Whether it's playing video games, changing sexes or both. Let people be happy and support that ideal. Women (formerly men or otherwise) in gaming can only draw more women and broaden the stigmatic social nature of video gaming. | ||
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Infinity Gaming
United States44 Posts
While the person who has done this digging probably had bad intentions, we imagine a Starcraft II Community that supports people no matter who they are or what life choices they have made. Who are we as fellow humans to pass judgement on one another. Fem-FX's existence is a celebration of the diversity of the Starcraft II community. Therefore, it is non-sensical to think that a member's difference from what is regarded as the norm is at all a drawback to the organization. More teams and organizations should join Fem-Fx and Infinity in encouraging players from GLTBQ backgrounds to get involved in the game and the community. To attack these people is to attack the Starcraft II Community as a whole. Those who choose to discriminate against people in their own community should be well aware that they are on the wrong side of history. Sincerely, The Infinity Gaming Community | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
You are not worth Karen's little finger. I have been personally attacked through bnet PMs by your friends before for supporting Karen, and I can just repeat what I told these people back then. Karen is a good friend, a great person, and I'm very glad to have met her. I don't understand why her personal life is any business of anybody else's. The only thing you achieved by your nasty posts is to finally prove everyone what a person without any moral or ethical values you are (and maybe provide some TL trolls with some more food, not that they needed any). | ||
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BabyToss!
Czech Republic588 Posts
Seriously, since when people start digging into people's personal lives to demote them in front of the whole community? It's just disgusting to see and this is exactly that part of community I'm not proud of. Good luck girls, don't let morons to deter you from playing/loving the game. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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Yuis
Canada134 Posts
On August 14 2011 07:05 Infinity Gaming wrote: As a partner with Fem-FX, Infinity Gaming would like to restate its support of the team, regardless of this news. While the person who has done this digging probably had bad intentions, we imagine a Starcraft II Community that supports people no matter who they are or what life choices they have made. Who are we as fellow humans to pass judgement on one another. Fem-FX's existence is a celebration of the diversity of the Starcraft II community. Therefore, it is non-sensical to think that a member's difference from what is regarded as the norm is at all a drawback to the organization. More teams and organizations should join Fem-Fx and Infinity in encouraging players from GLTBQ backgrounds to get involved in the game and the community. To attack these people is to attack the Starcraft II Community as a whole. Those who choose to discriminate against people in their own community should be well aware that they are on the wrong side of history. Sincerely, The Infinity Gaming Community Thanks for the support ^_^ | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:54 Yuis wrote: [I have tons of examples....For ex:myself. I used to be a top BW player in LatinAmerica, but a girl in SC is not popular as you might think. Same goes in CS, CoD and Quake. As a retired pro player, I like to help these girls to get out there and show their skills to the world. GL HF! I followed the BW community really closely, though learning about other countries' best players was tougher back then (all I knew about Japan's SC scene was "LOL, they suck.") I'm definitely not calling you out, but honestly I'd be damn interested in what your accomplishments were. WGT/PGT/ICCUP ranking, tourneys, WCG, clan wars, etc... GLHF!!! GL will all your endeav's! | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On August 08 2011 16:25 karenmcd wrote: Currently Team femFx is comprised of 11 members with a wide skill range and 2 coaches. Our team captain is femFxNavi, well known in the Starcraft community as a talented and ferocious Master’s level zerg player. Our members are: femFxYui (P), femFxNemi (Z), femFxKaren (T), femFxRailin (Z), femFxBOSSLADY (P), femFxSam (P), femFxRogue, femFxWarrden (T), femFxKatiedonut (Z), femFxSquee (Z). Regularly joining in our practice nights to help out with criticisms, advice and maintaining the general entertainment level are Chet (Z) (Masters zerg, who also streams here teamliquid!!) and Douglas (T) as our Team Coaches. The pro team is by invite only. It would of been nice if you had put more time and effort in the format for this part of the post gives me an headache trying to read thru all the names however good luck to everyone of you =) | ||
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BZZ
Canada25 Posts
Also - Personal lives are irrelevent to the issue as long as the team accepts its members then it works. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:54 Yuis wrote: Sadly this is not true and I can prove it. At ESL Iron Lady, we had a top GM female player and no one knew about her. We are lucky to have great new recruits Masters + and we growing extremely fast. We hope to get even better and send our players to bigger events. who, luwaystorm? that's not really a fair example, no one knows anything about the taiwan community. plus being GM on the old tw server is not really any kind of accomplishment (though obviously luway is pretty good). | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
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drdreggor
Sweden207 Posts
Women are a minority in gaming and of course they want a platform with like minded people. When/if there is a 1million$ tournament with only females, with no male equivela t then there would be a reason to be concerned about separating gender. | ||
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