On August 12 2011 16:25 Rekrul wrote: Dude, dudes, a dude is the head of a girls only team. That's whack. Quit it with the politically correct jargon.
Do whatever it takes to get good IMO. Hope this team actually gets some meaningful accomplishments under their belt so they're not just like other competitive games with female teams. Gaming community in general is still iffy/eh/completely sexist when it comes to female community members, so I doubt it'll be different in ESPORTS for a while.
Obviously because KARENMCD_is_a_guy, then identified as Probe_is_overpowered posted in my thread dedicated to me and there was so much empty drama about something nobody cared about that I had to be nerfed.
On August 12 2011 16:15 jenzebubble wrote: There is a marked difference between being transgendered and a cross dresser. Perhaps I am making an assumption that I should not when I assume that she is transgendered, but you don't refer to a transgendered person as their biological sex.
Yeah you're right and I fully agree with you. ^_^ You should definitely call someone who is transgendered as they are, but as you can see even his wife calls him 'husband' and other male terms.
As far as I can tell, all the "dad"/"husband"/facial hair photos you linked are from 2008. Dude's a lady now. :p
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
I think the issue is whether or not karen does fully self-identify as female. If the post linking pictures etc is to be believed, karen's family uses terms like dad and husband. If that's true, karen's family considers him/her a man. While I don't necessarily condone the format and publicity of the allegations, I think the banned user brings up a legitimate point that anyone joining this team should be made fully aware of karen's situation.
I agree with what you said, but the "sincerely self-dentifies" part has clearly been brought into question, so I don't agree that your statement is a definitive answer to this issue.
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
I think the issue is whether or not karen does fully self-identify as female. If the post linking pictures etc is to be believed, karen's family uses terms like dad and husband. If that's true, karen's family considers him/her a man. While I don't necessarily condone the format and publicity of the allegations, I think the banned user brings up a legitimate point that anyone joining this team should be made fully aware of karen's situation.
I agree with what you said, but the "sincerely self-dentifies" part has clearly been brought into question, so I don't agree that your statement is a definitive answer to this issue.
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.
The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.
Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.
Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.
The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.
Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.
Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.
On August 12 2011 16:02 VampireLady wrote: this is so sad, the one who made a nick just to post herE? where are the admins .. to us she is female she had sex change and thus is female why do u have to meddle in her past ? .. The girls are happy and so is she so i dont see the fuss. I urge the mods to please not give space to people to ridicule someone and her past and do something about it. Thank you
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
I think the issue is whether or not karen does fully self-identify as female. If the post linking pictures etc is to be believed, karen's family uses terms like dad and husband. If that's true, karen's family considers him/her a man. While I don't necessarily condone the format and publicity of the allegations, I think the banned user brings up a legitimate point that anyone joining this team should be made fully aware of karen's situation.
I agree with what you said, but the "sincerely self-dentifies" part has clearly been brought into question, so I don't agree that your statement is a definitive answer to this issue.
Look at the timestamps.
You're right, if that's all from several years ago then it's immaterial. Assuming there's no recent similar evidence to the contrary, then Karen is a woman by my, and most people's definitions.
Obviously the ban is legitimate either way because the person clearly made a new account.
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.
The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.
Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.
Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.
On August 12 2011 16:02 VampireLady wrote: this is so sad, the one who made a nick just to post herE? where are the admins .. to us she is female she had sex change and thus is female why do u have to meddle in her past ? .. The girls are happy and so is she so i dont see the fuss. I urge the mods to please not give space to people to ridicule someone and her past and do something about it. Thank you
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.
The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.
Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.
Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.
On August 12 2011 16:02 VampireLady wrote: this is so sad, the one who made a nick just to post herE? where are the admins .. to us she is female she had sex change and thus is female why do u have to meddle in her past ? .. The girls are happy and so is she so i dont see the fuss. I urge the mods to please not give space to people to ridicule someone and her past and do something about it. Thank you
Does it strike anyone as funny that KARENMCD_is_a_guy says in her post that she does not want to be in a community with guys due to her bad experiences with them... and then does exactly what these kind of guys do? Stalking (idc if it's possible to access it publicly, going out of the way to hunt down all this information about someone's personal life is creepy), and then harassment...
ANYWAY-- Good luck to all the women on the team born female or not. Hopefully this thread can just return to it's previous state of wellwishes.
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote: Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.
Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.
The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.
Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.
Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.
Oh thanks, this is actually really interesting. Never knew there was a semantic difference!
On August 12 2011 16:25 Rekrul wrote: Dude, dudes, a dude is the head of a girls only team. That's whack. Quit it with the politically correct jargon.
The "dude" identifies as a female. There's nothing wrong with Karen leading the Starcraft women's team. Why are you so caught up on the issue? I'm sure you've mingled with some ladyboys in Itaewon's Hooker Hill. Don't act like you've never heard of a transgendered person.
I once went to this transgender-show ritzy place in Apgujeong. Those dudes were hot I admit but I wouldn't trust them to lead a SC2 team. I think they'd do fine as players though because they were Korean.
This has gotten a little out of hand all because of one crazy person, the team already knew about it from what ive read and one crazy ass person had to come in here trying to cause drama if the teams okay with it get the fuck over it.
Anyways back on topic, Congratulations to your team and i hope to see you successful.
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Hopefully this thread can just return to it's previous state of wellwishes.
