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New rule: If you want to criticize the idea of girls only teams make your own thread.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
August 12 2011 07:28 GMT
#261
On August 12 2011 16:25 Rekrul wrote:
Dude, dudes, a dude is the head of a girls only team. That's whack. Quit it with the politically correct jargon.


Do whatever it takes to get good IMO. Hope this team actually gets some meaningful accomplishments under their belt so they're not just like other competitive games with female teams. Gaming community in general is still iffy/eh/completely sexist when it comes to female community members, so I doubt it'll be different in ESPORTS for a while.

Best of luck to you gals though.
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
August 12 2011 07:28 GMT
#262
On August 12 2011 16:27 Probe1 wrote:
That faith you were referring to? ~_O


Are you the original starcraft probe? Why did you get so much weaker in SC2
Write your own song!
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 12 2011 07:30 GMT
#263
Obviously because KARENMCD_is_a_guy, then identified as Probe_is_overpowered posted in my thread dedicated to me and there was so much empty drama about something nobody cared about that I had to be nerfed.

Shit sucked. Now I'm here.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
August 12 2011 07:30 GMT
#264
so anyone that identifies themselves as a women can join this team as well then?
Prime/MarineKing!!! www.twitter.com/DayTripperSC
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
August 12 2011 07:30 GMT
#265
On August 12 2011 16:18 KARENMCD_is_a_guy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:15 jenzebubble wrote:
There is a marked difference between being transgendered and a cross dresser. Perhaps I am making an assumption that I should not when I assume that she is transgendered, but you don't refer to a transgendered person as their biological sex.


Yeah you're right and I fully agree with you. ^_^ You should definitely call someone who is transgendered as they are, but as you can see even his wife calls him 'husband' and other male terms.

As far as I can tell, all the "dad"/"husband"/facial hair photos you linked are from 2008. Dude's a lady now. :p
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Shankapotamus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States428 Posts
August 12 2011 07:31 GMT
#266
shit just got real
FreezerJumps
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada653 Posts
August 12 2011 07:31 GMT
#267
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.


I think the issue is whether or not karen does fully self-identify as female. If the post linking pictures etc is to be believed, karen's family uses terms like dad and husband. If that's true, karen's family considers him/her a man. While I don't necessarily condone the format and publicity of the allegations, I think the banned user brings up a legitimate point that anyone joining this team should be made fully aware of karen's situation.

I agree with what you said, but the "sincerely self-dentifies" part has clearly been brought into question, so I don't agree that your statement is a definitive answer to this issue.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
August 12 2011 07:33 GMT
#268
On August 12 2011 16:31 FreezerJumps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.


I think the issue is whether or not karen does fully self-identify as female. If the post linking pictures etc is to be believed, karen's family uses terms like dad and husband. If that's true, karen's family considers him/her a man. While I don't necessarily condone the format and publicity of the allegations, I think the banned user brings up a legitimate point that anyone joining this team should be made fully aware of karen's situation.

I agree with what you said, but the "sincerely self-dentifies" part has clearly been brought into question, so I don't agree that your statement is a definitive answer to this issue.

Look at the timestamps.
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DNA61289
Profile Joined August 2010
United States665 Posts
August 12 2011 07:34 GMT
#269
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.

Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.

The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.

Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.

Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.
But yeah being a Korean gamer is very imba. If you're a non-korean gamer you have to balance your game playing with earning money and your real life. If you're Korean you just sit around playing games all day eating 2 cent ramyun and becoming gosu.
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 07:39:30
August 12 2011 07:36 GMT
#270
Pretty dicey..

I'm actually a cat.

@bobs child
"As far as I can tell, all the "dad"/"husband"/facial hair photos you linked are from 2008. Dude's a lady now."

Does that mean a child somewhere now doesn't have a dad? and 2 mothers (biologically)?
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
August 12 2011 07:38 GMT
#271
On August 12 2011 16:34 DNA61289 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.

Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.

The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.

Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.

Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.

On August 12 2011 16:02 VampireLady wrote:
this is so sad, the one who made a nick just to post herE? where are the admins .. to us she is female she had sex change and thus is female why do u have to meddle in her past ? .. The girls are happy and so is she so i dont see the fuss. I urge the mods to please not give space to people to ridicule someone and her past and do something about it. Thank you

Looks like she's made the cut, so to speak.
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FreezerJumps
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada653 Posts
August 12 2011 07:38 GMT
#272
On August 12 2011 16:33 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:31 FreezerJumps wrote:
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.


I think the issue is whether or not karen does fully self-identify as female. If the post linking pictures etc is to be believed, karen's family uses terms like dad and husband. If that's true, karen's family considers him/her a man. While I don't necessarily condone the format and publicity of the allegations, I think the banned user brings up a legitimate point that anyone joining this team should be made fully aware of karen's situation.

I agree with what you said, but the "sincerely self-dentifies" part has clearly been brought into question, so I don't agree that your statement is a definitive answer to this issue.

Look at the timestamps.


You're right, if that's all from several years ago then it's immaterial. Assuming there's no recent similar evidence to the contrary, then Karen is a woman by my, and most people's definitions.

Obviously the ban is legitimate either way because the person clearly made a new account.
PSIKevin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States114 Posts
August 12 2011 07:38 GMT
#273
Does it make me a bad person that this situation reminded me of this scene from Family Guy?

xO-Gaming
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 12 2011 07:39 GMT
#274
On August 12 2011 16:38 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:34 DNA61289 wrote:
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.

Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.

The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.

Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.

Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.

Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:02 VampireLady wrote:
this is so sad, the one who made a nick just to post herE? where are the admins .. to us she is female she had sex change and thus is female why do u have to meddle in her past ? .. The girls are happy and so is she so i dont see the fuss. I urge the mods to please not give space to people to ridicule someone and her past and do something about it. Thank you

Looks like she's made the cut, so to speak.


GG u win
why so 진지해?
DNA61289
Profile Joined August 2010
United States665 Posts
August 12 2011 07:40 GMT
#275
On August 12 2011 16:38 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:34 DNA61289 wrote:
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.

Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.

The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.

Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.

Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.

Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:02 VampireLady wrote:
this is so sad, the one who made a nick just to post herE? where are the admins .. to us she is female she had sex change and thus is female why do u have to meddle in her past ? .. The girls are happy and so is she so i dont see the fuss. I urge the mods to please not give space to people to ridicule someone and her past and do something about it. Thank you

Looks like she's made the cut, so to speak.

Ah, I see, so yup she's good.
But yeah being a Korean gamer is very imba. If you're a non-korean gamer you have to balance your game playing with earning money and your real life. If you're Korean you just sit around playing games all day eating 2 cent ramyun and becoming gosu.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 07:51:58
August 12 2011 07:40 GMT
#276
*self nuked-don't want to derail the thread*
Don't mind me
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 07:44:45
August 12 2011 07:44 GMT
#277
Does it strike anyone as funny that KARENMCD_is_a_guy says in her post that she does not want to be in a community with guys due to her bad experiences with them... and then does exactly what these kind of guys do? Stalking (idc if it's possible to access it publicly, going out of the way to hunt down all this information about someone's personal life is creepy), and then harassment...

ANYWAY-- Good luck to all the women on the team born female or not. Hopefully this thread can just return to it's previous state of wellwishes.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 08:43:02
August 12 2011 07:54 GMT
#278
On August 12 2011 16:34 DNA61289 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:19 Empyrean wrote:
Look, if someone sincerely self-identifies as being a female, then to me, she's a female. End of story.

Someone can only be female if they have the proper equipment.

The term female refers to the sex of the person, so he should be called a women since it refers to gender. So if someone is a transgender that means they are someone posing as the opposite sex. Where as a transsexual is someone who's gone through surgery to actually change their appearance.

Sorry if this is a little confusing , but I;m really tired, so it might not be coherent.

Anyways to the main point, it is disingenuous for someone to pose as a person of the opposite sex and then promote something as if they really are of that sex.


Oh thanks, this is actually really interesting. Never knew there was a semantic difference!
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 12 2011 07:54 GMT
#279
On August 12 2011 16:40 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 16:25 Rekrul wrote:
Dude, dudes, a dude is the head of a girls only team. That's whack. Quit it with the politically correct jargon.


The "dude" identifies as a female. There's nothing wrong with Karen leading the Starcraft women's team. Why are you so caught up on the issue? I'm sure you've mingled with some ladyboys in Itaewon's Hooker Hill. Don't act like you've never heard of a transgendered person.


I once went to this transgender-show ritzy place in Apgujeong. Those dudes were hot I admit but I wouldn't trust them to lead a SC2 team. I think they'd do fine as players though because they were Korean.
why so 진지해?
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
August 12 2011 07:55 GMT
#280
This has gotten a little out of hand all because of one crazy person, the team already knew about it from what ive read and one crazy ass person had to come in here trying to cause drama if the teams okay with it get the fuck over it.

Anyways back on topic, Congratulations to your team and i hope to see you successful.
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