EPTCan platinum players coach effectively? - Page 5
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Duskyy
Canada8 Posts
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
OP, best of luck in what you're doing and hope you have fun doing it! You will help your students grow, and also, see yourself grow in the process too, becoming a better coach and learning amazing things together with your students. Ignore the haters. -- Quite unlike the majority of you elitist pricks who turn your nose up at someone who's just trying to help. You have no vested invested in whoever they're teaching - so why do you care? At this point - it's none of your damn business, what happens between coach and student. By your definitions of "who should teach"...your high school gym teachers instantly do not qualify to do, what they're doing. What about your social studies teacher? Did you know that many teachers are forced to teach a subject that's not particularly one of their strengths? That it's one of their "off-courses" shall we say? Why are we not seeing you confront said teachers, telling them off? And here we have you here, acting all tough on the Internet? I challenge those of you, to name the GSL coaches who are actually in Masters. Go, do it. I'll wait. No surprise, you're back here, and didn't find very many(only Cella, right?) What about the IM coach? Startale Coach? Wow surprise suprise. The coaches are inferior to their students in terms of execution ability. Does that disqualify them from being coaches, then? The list can go on into literally infinity. Any older person who's a coach or teacher teaching any physical form of activity...are far past being able to do said activity themselves. And here they are teaching it. You saying that they're all hypocrites, for doing what they're doing? And imparting false knowledge to their students? Over and over we see this very forum being advertised to the masses, and when casual joe blow sees the elitism, the general offensive attitude towards new players...we're digging this game an early grave. Again - the OP set out a goal. You're hating. He's doing more...than you are. | ||
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Froob
United Kingdom342 Posts
they get get players from bronze > silver may not seem like much, but to the bronze player it's pretty significant | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
I don't think any non-high master league player is actually able to offer anything to a less experienced player when it's more than likely that the <master level coach has the majority of their focus on mechanics where high level strategy doesn't enter game play yet. At least, nothing to offer other than what that player can readily read on every page in the TL sc2 strategy forum. The only exception I would grant are players who are actually good at teaching, and aren't justified to teach simply because their league is higher, or even because they play starcraft 2 professionally. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:08 D_K_night wrote: You know what, I'm gonna go against the grain. OP, best of luck in what you're doing and hope you have fun doing it! You will help your students grow, and also, see yourself grow in the process too, becoming a better coach and learning amazing things together with your students. Ignore the haters. -- Quite unlike the majority of you elitist pricks who turn your nose up at someone who's just trying to help. You have no vested invested in whoever they're teaching - so why do you care? At this point - it's none of your damn business, what happens between coach and student. By your definitions of "who should teach"...your high school gym teachers instantly do not qualify to do, what they're doing. What about your social studies teacher? Did you know that many teachers are forced to teach a subject that's not particularly one of their strengths? That it's one of their "off-courses" shall we say? Why are we not seeing you confront said teachers, telling them off? And here we have you here, acting all tough on the Internet? I challenge those of you, to name the GSL coaches who are actually in Masters. Go, do it. I'll wait. No surprise, you're back here, and didn't find very many(only Cella, right?) What about the IM coach? Startale Coach? Wow surprise suprise. The coaches are inferior to their students in terms of execution ability. Does that disqualify them from being coaches, then? The list can go on into literally infinity. Any older person who's a coach or teacher teaching any physical form of activity...are far past being able to do said activity themselves. And here they are teaching it. You saying that they're all hypocrites, for doing what they're doing? And imparting false knowledge to their students? Over and over we see this very forum being advertised to the masses, and when casual joe blow sees the elitism, the general offensive attitude towards new players...we're digging this game an early grave. Again - the OP set out a goal. You're hating. He's doing more...than you are. If it was only execution that kept the plat player in plat then you would have a point. But you can EASILY get to masters with very poor execution and only having good game knowledge. It's not being an elitist, it's the truth. Don't be so sensitive. | ||
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twoliveanddie
United States2049 Posts
Toliveanddie- a silver player who hosts a fun tournament every fri-sun. He spends so much time to please the less fortunate (of the SC2 skill community) thanx millions I'd just like to make a shout out to SacredLambo, juliette, matiK, Resonant, Workhorse, Influx, Regulus, and all the other players in the Night Owl tournament who were promoted to Platinum this season. good luck to all. sometimes the best coaching you can give a player is providing them an opportunity to prove themselves against their peers on a regular basis. | ||
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fluxOsidRA
United Kingdom29 Posts
I just hit diamond on EU and have taught 6 bronze leaguers over the past 2 months of which one is platinum 2 about to follow hopefully soon, with the others sitting in gold league with much more confidence to ladder and learn. All they need are the basic pointers, replay walkthroughs and sufficent build orders and reasoning behind certtain choices and if they're commited, they'll get better. There is no need for Pro's to teach this level of play at least until they're hitting high diamond/masters in my personal opinion. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
Make More Workers. Anyway good luck. | ||
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umsplay
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
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Leeoku
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Thats big understatement, im in Masters and feel like total idiot many times | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:53 oxxo wrote: If it was only execution that kept the plat player in plat then you would have a point. But you can EASILY get to masters with very poor execution and only having good game knowledge. It's not being an elitist, it's the truth. Don't be so sensitive. Disagree. You cannot sit someone down, who has zero PC game experience of any kind, is a non-gamer, teach them the game(and let them stop playing whenever they feel like it)and suddenly make them be in Masters in a month. Not happening. You're conveniently ignoring this crucial fact, which all of you elitists tend to ignore or pretend it doesn't exist: Divisions by percentage: 20/20/20/20/18/1.8/0.2 Bronze/Silver/Gold/Plat/Diamond/Masters/GM So you're saying that anyone...anyone...can get to the top 2% of the entire region with poor execution and only "good" game knowledge? You do understand that, there isn't room for "everyone" to be in top 2% in NA, right? For you to be in top 2%...many, MANY others are denied that. Why so offended that Platinum(which are better players than 30% of the entire population) aren't fit to teach the lower divisions? It's already been stated that it's a waste of time for a GM to be teaching the bare bone basics to a Bronzie...so what's the issue with a Plat player doing so? The GM would be spending far better time, teaching Plats and above. Why are we so up in arms against this idea? Are we truly suggesting that we shouldn't settle for anything less than a University Prof to teach preschool? | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On August 07 2011 07:08 Cosmos wrote: No, they cannot, and same for diamond and below. And when it happens(or is already happening)...shrug...what are you going to do about it? Nothing. It can be said a million times "it shouldn't happen" but it's happening. The people who make a difference in the world, are exactly the same people who are told "you can't do this", "this can't be done", "it's never been done before". | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On August 07 2011 08:00 crms wrote: pretty sure you can be an excellent coach regardless of your ability to mechanically play the game. How is this even being debated? This has been shown a million times over in professional sports. GEe whiz I wonder how good Phil Jackson is at basketball, how dare he try and coach michael jordan. Now go ahead and insert any coach from the NCAA->Professional sports and there ya go. Thank you, explained superbly. And allow me to make another real-world example. I know a guy who does PC-repair work on the side...he just does simple things like install Windows, install programs, the lamest easiest stuff that's eye-rolling to 99% of you here. And people pay for it. He charges $30/hour. BUT(and you saw this coming) he: - doesn't like Windows updates and won't install them, ever, because it causes his pirated copy of windows to stop working - doesn't know how to configure a router...just plugs it in and expect it to work - feels that he has to physically sit and watch the computer when he burns a CD/DVD/whatever - still uses a VCR to record shows(ok, sure) but feels that he must physically watch the VCR or it'll stop working - hard codes IP addresses into the computers at work because "it looks better on the report" - plugs in TWO mice to his computer...cordless one for "web surfing", and corded one for "gaming". And yes I heard your collective jaws drop. IMO...this guy more than likely, is giving his users horrible information and I shudder to think what advice he's giving as well. But you know what? He's the one who's got work on the side, not me. So who's the winner here? | ||
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