EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 73
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Kevlar622
United States49 Posts
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ProxyKite
United States40 Posts
"I want to make it very clear that we approached him. When I introduced myself to him, I did not throw a contract in his face, I did not pressure him, and I did not attempt to use any aggressive recruitment methods. I simply let him know (via a translator) that EG was looking to support a Korean player, and asked him if he had any interest on a general level." This could potentially convey that there was fault on EG's end because they went out of their boundaries (which was to speak with the manager of the teams first) and talked to the player. What piques my eyes is the fact that EG approached PuMa "prior to the round of 8 matches". As EG could have approached any1 else in NASL, they kept their eye on PuMa because he showed talent, not because he was NASL champion (this should hopefully clear everything up about sniping the "NASL champion"). EG wasn't at fault here, but what I gather from what Alex has provided the community is that they had their eye on PuMa for awhile prior to ro8, and (I can only speculate this next couple of texts, because it's clearly my recreation of the events that happened) EG has done their research on PuMa and TSL. By research, I mean that EG may have known about PuMa being contractless and therefore, no salary. Of course, I could be wrong or right, we will never truly know because the past is history, and history always has missing/misleading information. We, as a community, are also at fault for jumping the guns and concluded too soon in Coach Lee's interview before EG had a chance to provide their side of the story. I try and envision whether or not the community would have reacted if EG had posted first. With what I've seen so far in this community, it could have been TSL that was the subject of negative comments. I hope this misunderstanding will help us mature as a community in future threads. I would like to add more, but my favorite stream is on right now. Again, thanks to Alex for a quick response with EG's side of their story. Hopefully, this confusion will all be over and we can look forward to MLG Anaheim! | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On July 27 2011 13:41 iamahydralisk wrote: I think it's more the fact that he defended his translation. If he had only translated and nothing more, then EG would be completely out of line to insult him, but as soon as Milkis decided to take a side in the matter, he opened himself up to criticism. He had to take a side because Alex was constantly attacking him. He couldn't just say ok to some of the ridiculous statements Alex made. On July 27 2011 14:57 ProxyKite wrote: I would like to add more, but my favorite stream is on right now. Again, thanks to Alex for a quick response with EG's side of their story. Hopefully, this confusion will all be over and we can look forward to MLG Anaheim! That was not a quick response at all... | ||
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knightwulf
Canada174 Posts
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
Sorry, but things are not as black and white, as you picture it. Please bear with me and read through all of it: Taken from the TL.net translator recruiting announcement: On July 26 2011 05:17 Waxangel wrote: Yup, you too, can be like Milkis, tweeting to thousands of followers while being invited to debate with the owners of prominent e-Sports teams on popular podcasts, and go to MLG and hang out with Boxer all day. Living in the post Web 2.0 era, where traditional media show clear signs of struggle and the lines between professionals and the hive-mind blurs, there comes a very specific set of problems with that shift. Part of TL.net own success is being written down in its commandments: 6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS. There is a legitimate reason why some members should and will be heard over others. And in this instance, it is safe to assume that Milkis is regarded as a reliable and respected gateway for the non-koreans of us. I doubt anyone could argue that he ranks high in both reach and impact, especially due to the fact that most of his information is not accessible to a majority otherwise. Taking the "just a" argument to the extreme, you could label translators in politics the same. During the cold war, at various moments where our world was on the verge of nuclear destruction, for example the cuba crisis as an example of utmost brisance. There is a whole canon of literature examining the historical importance of those "translators" that worked on both sides at that time, where a single nuance of words could have trailed severe repercussions. Consequently, the "just a" argument has to acknowledge the importance of the person to the process. Such as stem-cell and genetic research can not fall back to "just a scientist". Going back to the issue at hand, it sure is still an mostly not undestood phenomenon. The internet. Companies and research have been spending a whole lot of money and effort to investigate it and seem as clueless as ever. Wikipedia, Twitter, Wikileaks, Reddit, Facebook, all these are prominent approaches to utilize the masses and filtering informational noise. TL.net is also a child of this thought. While it has been growing organically, one has to wonder how it would develop on a larger scale. Say the number of users increases ten-fold. Will Milkis be still "just a translator"? Or might we want to consider employing a proper correspondant. I do understand that the staff is limited, and the majority is volunteering. By all means, they do a great job and are to be praised. Milkis being a translator and having to substitute for parts of the job of an editor at the same time is 100% not his fault. It is however suboptimal to say the least. In press, you won't find pure translators that don't work under editorial supervision. Milkis signed up for being a translator only and is only accountable for that, yet TL.net may already have reached a point where a more extensive position is desirable. That said, AG was wrong by criticising Milkis' work personally. His concern about the position Milkis is currently "forced" to fill remains valid. It is to be understood that fundamentally every organization themself is responsible for their public relations. But in order to retain a healthy information/noise ratio one might consider lending the TL.net a hand in their day-to-day work. Instead of only cheering for Milkis from the sideways we should encourage more people to help him, or even pick up on the work ourselves. This would lead to a better TL.net quality and legitimacy overall. | ||
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Danners933
Canada76 Posts
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On July 27 2011 15:16 Danners933 wrote: Puma was pretty much a free agent. A well played move for EG to pick him up. Players have to be a good team mate but at the same time they gotta look for the best with themselves. Puma will rock the NA scene with his play. They shouldn't have gotten all the drama that happened here. I wish EG and Puma the best in the future! Puma was obviously not a free agent... | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
So you do not know what a free agent is? Because being tightly associated with a team doesn't mean you're legally on it. A professional athlete who is free to sign a contract with any team is usually the definition you'll get for pro sports. | ||
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
TSL, EG, and Puma will just have to live an learn. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On July 27 2011 14:57 ProxyKite wrote: I would like to first thank Alex for posting EG's side of the story. The thing that's confusing to me is how EG has always contacted the manager of the team first before the player, but in this case, they went straight to PuMa before Coach Lee. In the past, EG were purchasing players that were contracted with teams. They are legally obligated to go through their managers. Puma was no contracted with TSL. On July 27 2011 07:08 JinRohHANZO wrote: A 19 years old kid is responsible for his own financial and career decisions BUT, it's more than possible he didn't have any experience of how the business works in western countries before this event. An advisor, such as his coach or an agent might have helped him in that case... His coach would be a terrible advisor. Mr.Lee has a conflict of interest, here. An independant advisor is another story. Either way, though, that's Puma's prerogative. Subjectively - EG did something pretty immoral. Look at the state of TSL in Korea; they were losing players fast and one of their best remaining players wins the NASL. This gives momentum and hope for the Team but then EG comes along and shatters the momentum in TSL by taking their best player. If TSL valued their "Best player", they would have contracted him. | ||
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Grimmy
South Africa29 Posts
Besides if Puma was so invaluable to TSL why did they not give the guy a contract and a pay check. | ||
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jmols
New Zealand41 Posts
On July 27 2011 12:35 LegendaryZ wrote: What Alex just posted wasn't an apology. It was a wall of text justifying their position under the guise of one. he says he's sent apologies to coach lee in the text. he shouldnt have put the tl;dr at the end imo. still an EG fan, don't see why i wouldn't be. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On July 27 2011 18:34 BlueFlames wrote: Wow just because you repeat something 3 or more times in one post does not make it right you know? It does not make it more believeable. Listening to PR-people is so tiring. We get it you are always right and it was all the tsl coaches fault. The bad news around your team is never your fault. Its always the other people. Can you even make a post or a statement on a show without acting like a total ****** always shifting blame on others? Well it wasn't EGs fault and people are blaming them so maybe felt that they need to repeat it a few times. | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
i dont fall to this sort of storys anymore, and you perhaps shouldn't, too. its good for the international and the korean esports, that korean progamer finally go to other countries and teams, and its the same with foreign progamers playing in the gsl. its GOOD for esports, the teams and the players. at least its good for professional teams with a long-time perspective. perhaps TSL just isnt one of them. my final words: Mr. Lee's behaviour was not like i would expect a professional manager to behave. he didnt sign his players, payed them minimal amouts of money, but tried to bind them to himself with an assortment of psychological pressure and false moral, as it seems. and now, as TSL fells apart due to no success in the gsl and players leaving, he didnt even see his own mistakes, but blames other persons because of it. its a shame that even some people fall to this sort of reasoning. | ||
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gosublade
632 Posts
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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Doomwish
438 Posts
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banzaiib
United States53 Posts
EG: PUMA!! How you doin' man? Puma: How am I doin? I'll tell you how I"m doing, I'm sweatin' my contract! EG: What can I do for you, Puma? Puma: You ready for this, EG? Show me the money! Now you say it. EG: Show you the money? Puma: No, "show ME the money", and you gotta yell it, EG! EG: SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!! | ||
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