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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On July 27 2011 20:58 PlaGuE_R wrote: safe to say that Alex is probably not the best person for his job if he also attacked Milkis for translating an article -.- Deeeeerrrrrr? He's the owner and manager. But I guess you are right, he must be an idiot, anyone can run a successful pro gaming team. | ||
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JinRohHANZO
France40 Posts
On July 27 2011 20:58 PlaGuE_R wrote: safe to say that Alex is probably not the best person for his job if he also attacked Milkis for translating an article -.- Absolutely, without forgetting the "you should have contact EG before publishing that article on TL" (don't remember the exact sentence but it sounded pretty much like that)... Awkward and quite inappropriate -__- Milkis, you're doing a great job for this community. Keep it up. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
At the end of the day what matters in all of this is Puma. Is Puma happy, and did he make a decision that makes sense to him, his family, his career? Seems to me he did and he is fine with it. All the other outside elements mean little. Puma wasn't held at gunpoint and told to leave his team. And lets say EG did go to Mr. Lee first. Does it really change anything? Mr. Lee either says no you can't take an uncontracted player and they take him anyway, or he says yes take him and he is still pissed off about it. So really, I think sometimes people overthink matters that really don't involve them. This is how business works. 99% of people in this thread will do the same thing in that position. Basically imagine you are working an unpaid internship at a law firm lets say. You've worked their for a year and they don't pay you but you are learning a lot. A big time New York law firm comes to you and offers you a salary, an office, and benefits. You thank the company for the internship and you take that opportunity. Because you might say to yourself, "hey I'll be loyal, and I'm sure my current company will eventually start paying me and I'll no longer be an unpaid intern!" But how do you know that? What if a new hot shot comes along and they can't afford to pay you. Next thing you know your out on your ass and wishing you had taken the job. That is how life works. You need to look out for yourself because loyalty doesn't pay the bills, and loyalty isn't always reciprocated. There are way to many examples out there, especially in the sports world, of players being loyal and then cut as soon as they get hurt or their talent slips a bit. Again, don't get what the debate is here. What is done is done, should things be handled differently simply for PR purposes? Sure. But the result would still have been the same so let's just accept it, be happy that Puma has more international opportunities and an actual salary so he can practice comfortably and compete at a high level without the stress of wondering how he'll pay for food next month. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
I do find his views on forum posters quite interesting though - Perhaps even more so, the context of his argument. I do agree that an article written by TL staff should have the elements one could expect of internet journalism - However, here it's a case of an article that was already written by a korean site, and then translated by Milkis, who is (as far as I know) not even a part of the official TL-translator team anymore. The demands for higher standards in 'articles', official posts if you will, is totally misdirected here, as it should apply to the person writing the article, not the one translating it and relaying to other parts of the community. So is what Alex is saying here, that it is the translators job to verify and further investigate articles that is written in Korea? I really don't agree with this, if that be the case, I hope none of the kind souls on this site that take their time to provide us with these translations will be intimidated/take heed to that. As for the case itself with Puma, I think there a very important element that came out of the Weapon of Choice show, that wasnt' emphazised enough. EG talks to Puma, asks if he's interested and Puma says yes - EG then asks Puma in what way that they should approach TSL - Puma tells EG, that he himself should talk to the coach, as they are close personally. EG accepts and then the story plays out as we've heard again and again - With the note that EG had every intention (according to Alex) to resume contact with TSL as soon as Puma had talked to TSL. I actually think that EG has acted honorably in this case. Imagine if you were in EG's shoes here - What would you do? Isn't it most important in this case, when we're talking about a non-contracted player, to follow the players advice, and trust in the relationship that the player claims he has with the coach? I feel sorry for EG, that this has turned into a marketing nightmare for them - What would have been awesome news for a strong foreign team, is now nothing more than a shitfest of accusations flying from one side to the other. Puma, EG and TSL really deserves better than this. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
Thanks Mr. EG for explaining it all, gl in the future  | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On July 27 2011 07:03 FaZe wrote:Mr.Lee did an interesting thing striking back though. Teams are basically marketing tools, and by posting what he did / when he did, he managed to at least reduce the amount of positive reception the deal had. If instead he hadn't posted anything, and the deal went through, and EG made a timely press release detailing the aquisition, and TSL made a statement saying that they wished him the best of luck - EG would be in a FAR better position. Instead of hating on EG, everyone would be thinking about how much of a sinking ship TSL is. I'd say well played Mr.Lee, but I selfishly think that going for retribution is probably the worst idea. I want don't want to scare away potential sponsors who are afraid of drama ^^. He's aired all the teams dirty laundry. Talk about being financially unstable. Downplayed 3 top level pro's leaving. At some point in time heads need to roll, and I'm not sure who "owns" TSL but they need to fire Lee for being a horrible manager. - didn't contract puma and sent him overseas (stated clearly they wanted to wait to contract him later) translation: keep practicing, we can't afford to pay you much. - asked for salary back from top level pro's - had 3 top level pro's leave. - got emotional about a business transaction. | ||
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Frequencyy
United States344 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:54 Frequencyy wrote: Glad that EG's side was heard. I see both sides made mistakes and I hope EG and TSL can work thinks out in the future. I don't understand why Mr.Lee released PuMa after they talked. Let's not act like TSL is the innocent person here either...I mean lately TSL has been a wreck letting Fruitdealer and Trickster go, which were among their best players. And not to mention Rain leaving. So we know TSL hasn't been the most stable team lately and I'm going to assume that Mr.Lee took PuMa representing EG in foreign tournament or w.e as another player leaving the team. Well you know Mama Bear wanted to give PuMa what he wanted but he still was kind of butt hurt over losing a player he invested alot of time effort into, the fact that TSL lost alot of key players doesn't help either. I guess Mama Bear is more or less ok with it, but he just wanted to get it off his chest. Since you know, losing so many players in such a short time must be really hard on him | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
Sure AG is no where near as rich, but he can still have our beloved Bobby as his role model :/ Sadly, what we can do about him is the same thing we can do about Bobby-- nothing. Well, at least I can vote with my feet by not buying anything from EG's sponsors.... | ||
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Daehlie
United States43 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On July 28 2011 00:51 Daehlie wrote: Most condescending and self-aggrandizing apology I have ever seen not coming from a political figure. FAIL EG. They're sorry that everyone else made mistakes | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Which is the only thing that he needs to be sorry about, at the end of the day. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 28 2011 00:18 Mioraka wrote: The way I feel about EG and AG is exactly the way I feel about Activision and Bobby Kotick. Sure AG is no where near as rich, but he can still have our beloved Bobby as his role model :/ Sadly, what we can do about him is the same thing we can do about Bobby-- nothing. Well, at least I can vote with my feet by not buying anything from EG's sponsors.... Hard to avoid Intel but I'm done with everything else myself. (That's just Steelseries and Kingston for me as I have never had any intention of buying from the other ones) | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On July 28 2011 01:14 Djzapz wrote: Hard to avoid Intel but I'm done with everything else myself. (That's just Steelseries and Kingston for me) oh i guess AMD doesn't exist  at least follow through with it if you're gonna do something so unproductive. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 28 2011 01:22 ballasdontcry wrote: oh i guess AMD doesn't exist at least follow through with it if you're gonna do something so unproductive.Intel is so far ahead of the curve that AMD is useless, so you really should be bashing your head against the wall. If I ever come across a situation where I can buy an AMD (for my grandma or something), then I will. Until then, Intel is unavoidable for a decent gaming PC. And not buying stuff from the Kingston or Steelseries is not unproductive. Other companies will get my money and I'll be handling things according to my principles. Works for me - I don't expect it'll make any difference in the grand scheme of things obviously. It's not like I'm getting out of my way much, but if I stopped buying Intel I'd pay more for less. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
Immediately after the story ran a lot of people took sides with poor coach Lee (who did a good job of playing the victim). A lot people who probably didn't like EG to begin with used this as an excuse to make bullshit assertions to demonize the team. Hopefully those people can go back to their holes and we can get over this shit now. The "attack" on Milkis was overblown. Alex was unhappy that the story broke prematurely and blamed Milkis for taking sides without getting all the facts (which he did). In hindsight he would probably (and rightfully) blame coach Lee rather than Milkis. But please stop demanding an apology, it's getting pathetic and whiny. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 28 2011 01:50 Horse...falcon wrote: Good to see that most people have come back from their senses and are evaluating the situation with logic rather than emotions. Immediately after the story ran a lot of people took sides with poor coach Lee (who did a good job of playing the victim). A lot people who probably didn't like EG to begin with used this as an excuse to make bullshit assertions to demonize the team. Hopefully those people can go back to their holes and we can get over this shit now. The "attack" on Milkis was overblown. Alex was unhappy that the story broke prematurely and blamed Milkis for taking sides without getting all the facts (which he did). In hindsight he would probably (and rightfully) blame coach Lee rather than Milkis. But please stop demanding an apology, it's getting pathetic and whiny. What facts did Milkis need? he's a translator, he translates stuff. If he translates biased stuff it's not the translator's fault. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
in regards to this debate, good to see a response from AG(albeit slightly late), but seemed a bit silver-tongued in some parts. there had to be a reason Coach lee was so outraged and AG makes it seem like there was none. of course since we have 2 bias views coming in (ag and lee) hard to see the medium : ( | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
On July 27 2011 12:11 DeaTH.1914 wrote: [EG shouldn't have had to apologize for anything and to anyone saying Milkis deserves an apology, that is laughable. The guy pretty much destroyed the public image of EG's business in one biased post. EG employee?? No other explanation for this laughably biased post. Milkis did not WRITE an article. He merely translated an existing article that he found on the web. He did not invent anything on his own, but merely made accessible a piece of material that anyone could have read via google translate anyway. To accuse the TRANSLATOR of "destroying someone's image" by translating a PUBLICLY AVAILABLE piece of information is beyond ridiculous. | ||
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