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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 27 2011 00:51 GMT
#1401
On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote:
See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless.


Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/

Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
July 27 2011 00:59 GMT
#1402
What EG did was underhanded. EG also has a history of acting this way.

But that makes me dislike the team. Not the players.
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 27 2011 01:10 GMT
#1403
On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote:
See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless.


Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/

Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest.

Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously?
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 27 2011 01:12 GMT
#1404
On July 27 2011 10:10 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote:
See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless.


Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/

Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest.

Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously?


"pro egers" don't need to argue, we don't care if people are mad, because puma is happy and your opinions are meaningless to his.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
July 27 2011 01:16 GMT
#1405
On July 27 2011 10:10 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote:
See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless.


Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/

Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest.

Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously?


Why would anyone be Pro-EG? Or Pro-Liquid for that matter? It shouldn't be about the teams, ie. their sponsors, it should be about the players. That is what is wrong with this thread, and the entire way the community is reacting to this. It's like no one has even read PuMa's (brief) response. He said you all are overreacting. You are.
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
July 27 2011 01:24 GMT
#1406
This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them.
(This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague)
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
July 27 2011 01:26 GMT
#1407
It just makes me sad that E-sports, while not even a SPORT yet, is already taking the worst parts from current pro-sports.

What's the point of watching a sport with no sportsmanship?

Agian, no ill-will towards any EG players or puma. I just no longer respect their team.
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
emsy
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia34 Posts
July 27 2011 01:26 GMT
#1408
Hopefully this issue can be put behind us and the foreign community and korean community ties have not been severed.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 27 2011 01:27 GMT
#1409
On July 27 2011 10:16 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 10:10 Shiori wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote:
On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote:
See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless.


Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/

Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest.

Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously?


Why would anyone be Pro-EG? Or Pro-Liquid for that matter? It shouldn't be about the teams, ie. their sponsors, it should be about the players. That is what is wrong with this thread, and the entire way the community is reacting to this. It's like no one has even read PuMa's (brief) response. He said you all are overreacting. You are.

because teams represent their players and represent themselves as businesses. i don't really care about puma's personal choices; they are his to make. i don't hold any ill will toward him because he didn't do anything in particular. eg, however, is a professional organization, and has acted like a child this entire time.
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 27 2011 01:27 GMT
#1410
On July 27 2011 10:24 Apollo_Shards wrote:
This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them.
(This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague)


you need to inform yourself..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
July 27 2011 01:28 GMT
#1411
I always got the impression that EG was a shady operation, dipping their hands into every money making scheme (and scam in the case of coaching), but this is just impressively low class of them. Business ethics 101, you don't just go poaching talent like that, especially in a small but growing industry. It's just sad to see them wasting no time in bringing out the worst aspects of a marketable "sport".
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
July 27 2011 01:29 GMT
#1412
On July 27 2011 10:27 Sebzou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 10:24 Apollo_Shards wrote:
This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them.
(This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague)


you need to inform yourself..

yea they invited TL to the team league and TL declined. Tyler and incontrol talked about it for 10+ minutes on an SotG episode.
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
July 27 2011 01:33 GMT
#1413
On July 27 2011 10:29 LittleAtari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 10:27 Sebzou wrote:
On July 27 2011 10:24 Apollo_Shards wrote:
This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them.
(This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague)


you need to inform yourself..

yea they invited TL to the team league and TL declined. Tyler and incontrol talked about it for 10+ minutes on an SotG episode.

kk, didnt though, thank you.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Kerpz
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada6 Posts
July 27 2011 01:47 GMT
#1414
70+ pages of .
iamahydralisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States813 Posts
July 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#1415
I really don't understand why so many people are holding EG responsible when Coach Lee was the one who jumped the gun and blew this into a much bigger issue than it should've been...

Oh well.
"well if youre looking for long term, go safe, if you expect it to end either way, go risky. wow. just like sc2" - friend of mine when I asked him which girl to pick
AngelusDeLetum
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
July 27 2011 02:33 GMT
#1416
Dog eat dog man, if you cant exhaust every option to get a sponsor and support a talent like Puma, perhaps you shouldn't be running a team. I know it is always a work in progress and you cant build upon nothing, but you also need to recognize your talent and get them signed. Even though this is occurring in the Korean scene if the coach was smart he would have recognized that a lot of business decisions do not depend upon culture and trust. A sad but true reality.
elbooN
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
July 27 2011 02:37 GMT
#1417
Hopefully EG's contract bans him from ever using the ID "Gentleman"
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 02:49:47
July 27 2011 02:44 GMT
#1418
EG's actions aside, why didn't PuMa inform TSL after he was first approached?

He was with TSL for several months. It would have been decent of him to tell his coach/manager and fellow teammates about something that could significantly affect all of them.

-He knew he didn't have contractual obligations to TSL, thus knew they couldn't stop him from joining EG.

-He should have had enough opportunities to contact his team, via phone call or e-mail, while he was in the U.S. for weeks to participate in NASL.

I'm assuming TSL does not practice coercion (persuasion using force or threats) and PuMa had only to fear facing controlled anger and general disappointment from coach Lee.
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
July 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#1419
I'm worried that EG is living up to the first word of their name instead of the second.

Has any other team ever had to make so many public apologies?
DeaTH.1914
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada79 Posts
July 27 2011 03:11 GMT
#1420
On July 27 2011 11:48 johanngrunt wrote:
I'm worried that EG is living up to the first word of their name instead of the second.

Has any other team ever had to make so many public apologies?


EG shouldn't have had to apologize for anything and to anyone saying Milkis deserves an apology, that is laughable. The guy pretty much destroyed the public image of EG's business in one biased post. (I'm not saying Milkis is biased, however the article he translated obviously was and had apparently very little actual fact on the situation.) Alex had a great point, Milkis is a journalist regardless of getting paid or not and as a journalist you can and will be held accountable for covering a story with such blatant disregard. However I think after the discussion with Alex on WoC he will indeed be more careful before posting in these situations from now on.

Anyways as for the actual situation, EG is totally in the right. The player was not under contract and therefore had no obligations to TSL. I do believe EG was fully intending on contacting the coach of TSL after PuMa had brought it up, however I believe this was unnecessary. The fact that the player was under no contractual obligations to me means EG has the right to discuss the issue with the player directly regardless of cultural and/or ethical differences.
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