On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote:
Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/
Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/
Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest.
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
July 27 2011 00:51 GMT
#1401
On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote: See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless. Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/ Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest. | ||
Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
July 27 2011 00:59 GMT
#1402
But that makes me dislike the team. Not the players. | ||
Shiori
3815 Posts
July 27 2011 01:10 GMT
#1403
On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote: On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote: See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless. Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/ Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest. Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously? | ||
SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
July 27 2011 01:12 GMT
#1404
On July 27 2011 10:10 Shiori wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote: On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote: On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote: See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless. Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/ Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest. Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously? "pro egers" don't need to argue, we don't care if people are mad, because puma is happy and your opinions are meaningless to his. | ||
Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
July 27 2011 01:16 GMT
#1405
On July 27 2011 10:10 Shiori wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote: On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote: On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote: See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless. Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/ Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest. Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously? Why would anyone be Pro-EG? Or Pro-Liquid for that matter? It shouldn't be about the teams, ie. their sponsors, it should be about the players. That is what is wrong with this thread, and the entire way the community is reacting to this. It's like no one has even read PuMa's (brief) response. He said you all are overreacting. You are. | ||
Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
July 27 2011 01:24 GMT
#1406
(This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague) | ||
Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
July 27 2011 01:26 GMT
#1407
What's the point of watching a sport with no sportsmanship? Agian, no ill-will towards any EG players or puma. I just no longer respect their team. | ||
emsy
Australia34 Posts
July 27 2011 01:26 GMT
#1408
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Shiori
3815 Posts
July 27 2011 01:27 GMT
#1409
On July 27 2011 10:16 Eschaton wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 10:10 Shiori wrote: On July 27 2011 09:51 Djzapz wrote: On July 27 2011 09:37 LegendaryZ wrote: On July 27 2011 09:26 Random321321 wrote: See, it wouldn't bother me so much if Sir Alex simply said "EG is a business, and we will do whatever it takes to succeed, and we do not care about the feelings of others." But, he doesn't say that, he spends 18 paragraphs ducking, dodging, and deflecting. I find this passive-aggressive attitude much more annoying than just being straightforwardly greedy and ruthless. Definitely agree with this. Just be honest.. :/ Well again, it's a business, so he can't be honest. Is this seriously the argument of the pro-EGers in this thread? Seriously? Why would anyone be Pro-EG? Or Pro-Liquid for that matter? It shouldn't be about the teams, ie. their sponsors, it should be about the players. That is what is wrong with this thread, and the entire way the community is reacting to this. It's like no one has even read PuMa's (brief) response. He said you all are overreacting. You are. because teams represent their players and represent themselves as businesses. i don't really care about puma's personal choices; they are his to make. i don't hold any ill will toward him because he didn't do anything in particular. eg, however, is a professional organization, and has acted like a child this entire time. | ||
Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
July 27 2011 01:27 GMT
#1410
On July 27 2011 10:24 Apollo_Shards wrote: This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them. (This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague) you need to inform yourself.. | ||
tyrless
United States485 Posts
July 27 2011 01:28 GMT
#1411
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LittleAtari
Jordan1090 Posts
July 27 2011 01:29 GMT
#1412
On July 27 2011 10:27 Sebzou wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 10:24 Apollo_Shards wrote: This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them. (This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague) you need to inform yourself.. yea they invited TL to the team league and TL declined. Tyler and incontrol talked about it for 10+ minutes on an SotG episode. | ||
Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
July 27 2011 01:33 GMT
#1413
On July 27 2011 10:29 LittleAtari wrote: Show nested quote + On July 27 2011 10:27 Sebzou wrote: On July 27 2011 10:24 Apollo_Shards wrote: This seems like a long and backward explanation for sniping off a player from another team. Oh well, now I just have all the more reason to root agaisnt them. (This, the CS team, and not inviting TL to the teamleague) you need to inform yourself.. yea they invited TL to the team league and TL declined. Tyler and incontrol talked about it for 10+ minutes on an SotG episode. kk, didnt though, thank you. | ||
Kerpz
Canada6 Posts
July 27 2011 01:47 GMT
#1414
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
July 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#1415
Oh well. | ||
AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
July 27 2011 02:33 GMT
#1416
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elbooN
United States255 Posts
July 27 2011 02:37 GMT
#1417
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
July 27 2011 02:44 GMT
#1418
He was with TSL for several months. It would have been decent of him to tell his coach/manager and fellow teammates about something that could significantly affect all of them. -He knew he didn't have contractual obligations to TSL, thus knew they couldn't stop him from joining EG. -He should have had enough opportunities to contact his team, via phone call or e-mail, while he was in the U.S. for weeks to participate in NASL. I'm assuming TSL does not practice coercion (persuasion using force or threats) and PuMa had only to fear facing controlled anger and general disappointment from coach Lee. | ||
johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
July 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#1419
Has any other team ever had to make so many public apologies? | ||
DeaTH.1914
Canada79 Posts
July 27 2011 03:11 GMT
#1420
On July 27 2011 11:48 johanngrunt wrote: I'm worried that EG is living up to the first word of their name instead of the second. Has any other team ever had to make so many public apologies? EG shouldn't have had to apologize for anything and to anyone saying Milkis deserves an apology, that is laughable. The guy pretty much destroyed the public image of EG's business in one biased post. (I'm not saying Milkis is biased, however the article he translated obviously was and had apparently very little actual fact on the situation.) Alex had a great point, Milkis is a journalist regardless of getting paid or not and as a journalist you can and will be held accountable for covering a story with such blatant disregard. However I think after the discussion with Alex on WoC he will indeed be more careful before posting in these situations from now on. Anyways as for the actual situation, EG is totally in the right. The player was not under contract and therefore had no obligations to TSL. I do believe EG was fully intending on contacting the coach of TSL after PuMa had brought it up, however I believe this was unnecessary. The fact that the player was under no contractual obligations to me means EG has the right to discuss the issue with the player directly regardless of cultural and/or ethical differences. | ||
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