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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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GuardianEU
Netherlands488 Posts
On July 26 2011 19:53 Talin wrote: I actually said none of the things you say I said (which is ironic given that you're accusing me of putting words in someone's mouth). Maybe try reading again. PS. EG did not "send" Idra to GSL. He was already in Korea and practicing SC2 while he was still on CJ's roster. I recall him playing in OSL qualifiers either just before or after the first GSL Open. He's obviously not better off training and competing in the west, but he's certainly more useful to EG in the west, which is likely the main reason why he's back and stuck in the least competitive region. I did as you said, and read it again. sadly I still see the exact same things that I am responding to in your post. maybe you meant it otherwise, but it's there. And Idra was in korea during BW, yes. but after sc2 came out he joined the american scene, in NA. He then flew back in colaboration with EG to compete in the GSL. he then decided he wanted to fly back to the USA because there are more tournaments there and more opertunities to make money for Idra (and EG for exposure, no doubt) in the USA. seeing as this is his job, why wouldn;t you pass up on going to a country where people understand your english, and you can make mroe money. in contrast to playing in 1 tournament every month in a country that doesn't speak english very well. (it's not a class in school there it seems) I understand your opinion, but I have my own aswell  | ||
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GuardianEU
Netherlands488 Posts
On July 26 2011 20:19 EnSky wrote: We now heard from EG and TSL so I think we can move on and support PuMa! yes! | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 26 2011 20:19 GuardianEU wrote: I did as you said, and read it again. sadly I still see the exact same things that I am responding to in your post. maybe you meant it otherwise, but it's there. And Idra was in korea during BW, yes. but after sc2 came out he joined the american scene, in NA. He then flew back in colaboration with EG to compete in the GSL. he then decided he wanted to fly back to the USA because there are more tournaments there and more opertunities to make money for Idra (and EG for exposure, no doubt) in the USA. seeing as this is his job, why wouldn;t you pass up on going to a country where people understand your english, and you can make mroe money. in contrast to playing in 1 tournament every month in a country that doesn't speak english very well. (it's not a class in school there it seems) I understand your opinion, but I have my own aswell Idra made more per month from tournament winnings in Korea than he's made since moving back. Everyone who has had access to the Korean ladder/Korea has said they're the best place to train. Idra in Korea walks all over dde (nothing against dde, think he's fab). Idra living in North America lost to dde -- and it wasn't close. I believe I remember idra saying he moved back because it would be easier money. Now with the flood of Korean talent I wonder if he feels the same way. Opinions are like assholes. Yours smells bad. | ||
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Fermats_last
England336 Posts
So just as TSL is finally looking up and has the chance to get more sponsors and be able to properly support it's players with salaries EG comes in and takes away (throws money at) the star player before this growth can happen. Effectively stopping any up and coming teams from ever becoming true stars as obviously an already established organisation (business as opposed to team) is going to have more money than an up and coming team, and if you talk to a 18-22 year old guy and offer him shit tons of money it's going to be persuasive. I wish they would invest this money in growing their own players into stars rather than taking other people away from their roots. Way to support the Growth of Esports and the Starcraft scene, just take top players from other teams before they have the chance to grow and support their own players like you can. | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
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joshboy42
Australia116 Posts
Currently sc2 players don't have managers and represent themselves. After EG inquired as to Puma's interest in switching teams, they waited for him to discuss with his coach (as the player requested), and before hearing back the news broke that EG had 'signed' puma. | ||
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turkit
Ireland67 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:04 EGalex wrote: Edit: I didn't want to comment on the Milkis/journalism situation in this particular post, because I think it deserves its own discussion, and would be distracting to the subject matter of this post. This thread should be about EG, PuMa, and TSL. I will be making a separate post regarding Milkis later in the week. For the record, while I stand by the points I made on that subject, I have already apologized to him in private for my accusatory tone and approach to him on the show. while i have read the rest of the post, in which you repeat what everyone with a level head was already saying, this part really irks me. there is no situation with milkis, he is a translator. why cant you get that into your head? the fact you think theres still an issue shows the disconnect between you and everyone else. he is a community member who has done nothing but give. why cant you just say sorry to him without 100 caveats, makes you look like a douche. | ||
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Cartel
Canada255 Posts
1. Did A.G. know the player was uncontracted during the moment of approach? - This is important. This is the whole basis of A.G.'s take on the situation. However, if they are fair should EG in your opinion approach a person who may be signed onto a contract? 2. In terms of ethics, PUMA came over representing TSL, everyone knew this. So whether or not he was contracted actually does not matter. Yes thats right, it does not matter. 3. The ease of contacting the coach directly first, and not asking a player to "contact the coach". It should have been a priority to contact the coach first, since A.G. said they were eyeing PUMA for months. Let's say they did it out of convenience since PUMA was there. Give him a card. Let player know that he is interested in talking to his manager. "You played well". That is all. Sure, he was uncontracted and in business its standard for employees to be contacted secretly to poach them, and this is legal, except in pro sports. Teams get fined. AG discussed whether or not SC is a pro sport yet, and maybe he is right. I dont know. There is a period of free agency that a player can be talked to directly. There is fault from Coach Lee for not signing his players, so yes there is fault on both sides. Its unfortunate that all players are now going to be tied down due to this. While some say this is good for the sport, and while I agree to some extent, the downside of it is this is going to restrict players and make it more serious. Taking focus away from the gaming itself. It is easy for a big pro team during a great event to get excited. Watching someone you've been eyeing for a while dominate a tournament, wanting to show everyone that hey they got money, they are doing whats cool and right to contact players to show they have muscle. Its easy to just go about things without thinking about the repercussions. It was a simple mistake on all 3 sides in my opinion. Coach lee should have suspected things like this were going to happen. He should have contracted players. However, what he did not expect was disrespect from his player. PUMA is at fault as well here. He could have asked for a small fee to TSL. This could have been afforded, either out of his own salary or from EG. EG should have followed their own "code" that they have done in the past on this one, which is to contact managers first, such as what Zombie said in the post above. | ||
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
Just my 5cents! | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 26 2011 20:17 two.watup wrote: This is wrong. And everyone trying to find something wrong with what EG did is just a hater. The poll on page 1 with 1,000 "-1 fans" just means 1,000 nerds already disliked EG. Other players on TSL had salaries. PuMa, their best player, didn't. Who cares about the coach when he isn't paying his players? This wasn't like going to Kobe instead of his coach, this was like going to a Highschool Athlete instead of his coach. Now instead of playing for the lulz, PuMas making bank (other than the bank he makes smashin nerds in tournies). "how" is this wrong. Am I wrong about the cultural difference, is the coach Of PuMa wrong about him for feeling this way, or the entire nation of South Korea? | ||
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Rushingwolf
78 Posts
Just like we havent heard anything from fanatic Rain since he left the gsl puma will be the same and blend into the typical foreign sc2 team. | ||
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
Most of all I think people are acting as if Puma was somehow incapable of making decisions for himself. The guy wants to leave TSL and join EG. Claiming that he was somehow stolen away is just another way of invalidating his ability to make his own choices. | ||
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ETisME
12514 Posts
Afterall, everyone picks what is best for them | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On July 26 2011 20:49 Rushingwolf wrote: i'm pretty sure that pumas skill will deteriorate as soon as he comes accumstomed to a disproportionate salary, a lax training schedule and low skill-level training partners in EG. Just like we havent heard anything from fanatic Rain since he left the gsl puma will be the same and blend into the typical foreign sc2 team. Rain joined FnaticMSI only a month ago and there havent been any big tournaments with him... What makes you think Puma will go use a relaxed training schedule? your just guessing? I dont se any reson why he would do that. | ||
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
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Demonzii
Netherlands180 Posts
I suggest people wait for both sides of the story instead of getting the pitchforks and torches out as soon as some news arrives. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Clow
Brazil880 Posts
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