EG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 36

On July 26 2011 13:33 rasnj wrote:

Where do you get it from that Puma had a contract? AFAIK no credible English source has claimed Puma had a contract and in the interview with coach Lee was the following:

which seems to contradict your answer. I realize that you may have spoken with someone involved so do you have any new information that you can share about this matter?

On July 26 2011 13:17 iamthedave wrote:


An idiot responsible in large part for Puma being where he is today.

But don't worry, as a result of this an era of draconian contracts will surely be brought into the Korean scene, locking it up so tight something like this will never, ever happen again!

On July 26 2011 13:14 StickNMove wrote:
If the player wants to leave his team under his own free will, shouldn't he be able to if there is no contract? If a player is under a contract he is legally obligated to fill out that contract to whomever he signed that contract with. In this case there was no contract with Puma and TSL. Because there was no contract, Puma is not obligated to fulfill any agreement with TSL. Without a contract TSL has no authority over Puma and cannot make demands that are legally binding. And as such, Puma is free to do as he wishes. Any contract between Puma and another team is between him and that team, not TSL. The coach of TSL should keep his mouth shut because he is a third party who's interest in non-existent with any contract made between EG and Puma.

TSL cannot "release" a player, a player can do whatever he wants to do if there is no contract. Releasing a player indicates that there was a contract and a new contract was reached that allowed that player to break the previous contract. All of which did not happen, and the TSL coach is full of BS. Speaking with the TSL coach is only a common courtesy and nothing he says has any power behind it. If he told Puma he had to stay on TSL he would be lying to Puma and making a dictator out of himself. Puma is free to do as he wishes, and so is EG. The TSL coach has no say in this matter and has no future say in any matter if any of his current players who choose to pursue other teams that offer them contracts.

This is really a simple concept. No contract, no obligation. No obligation, no need for Puma to even extend a courtesy to TSL. The coach is nothing more than an idiot if he believes he owns his players without a contract, and is an even bigger of an idiot if he thinks he should have been spoken to first. And all of you reading this are idiots as well if you believe that EG should have spoken with TSL before they spoke with Puma.

On July 26 2011 13:37 StickNMove wrote:


I disagree. He is not responsible in any part for where Puma is today. The player is solely responsible for his own performance. It is the player who wakes up everyday and dedicates his own time to his sport in an effort to improve himself. If a player fails to do this and suffers by becoming a bad player do you blame the coach? No, the player is responsible for his own success and his own failure. It's really that simple. Puma owes nothing to the TSL coach. And quite frankly, their management is obviously delusional after watching so many players from TSL leave in mass.

On July 26 2011 13:27 enzym wrote:

Your differenti-o-meter doesn't seem to be very sensitive.
Not caring not to disrespect someone is not the same as going out of your way to offend them.
There is the third possibility of simply not caring (as much) about the others.

On July 26 2011 13:41 Jackle wrote:


Wow, used the word contract 16 times.

Anyhoos, onto the main subject of EG signing Puma. As mentioned already, this will probably result in Kespa 2.0, locking any other top tier Koreans from getting signed by a foreign team.

Also, as much as I hope Puma does well in the future (was a fan after he all-killed in Proleague), I don't think he'll be able to maintain his skill level outside a korean progaming house environment.

On July 26 2011 13:45 BreakfastTea wrote:
I have a hard time feeling sympathetic toward TSL at all. Sure, I'll grant that maybe there's the cultural difference where they treat their business "like a family," where the players don't have contracts or receive pay, and seem to be expected to give all of their earnings to their team (slavery and communism seem to fit that bill, too...); however, the sport is global, and to be frank, the rest of South Korea participates in a global economy, so having a contract should not have been an issue or an unforeseen circumstance by any measure. All in all, TSL's problem is either chalked up to dreadfully naive thinking (or more possibly SK isolationism/racism) or sheer fucking stupidity. To be frank, I think Coach Lee was more upset about not being able to take $50000 away from Puma to fund his failing team than anything else.

As for EG, I don't see any wrongdoing (aside from the Milkis incident), other than being stupid enough to let a 19 year old lead the charge for a major team trade.

And for Puma, congrats, the support it sounds like he'll be getting from EG should be great for his international career, and since it seems he'll still be able to practice in Korea, I don't foresee any loss of skill--just more money in his pocket.