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Sixotanaka
Australia191 Posts
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On July 26 2011 13:57 Juanald wrote: huh? Everyone on EG is top tear... Machine.. LzGamer.. InControll .. Axslave .. DeMuslem .. Idra ... you cant be serious? ![]() you mean you can't be serious? Idra is about it, Incontrol and Demuslim are both second tier | ||
arvind
Singapore23 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:03 tyCe wrote: Well, to be honest... I think the idea of letting the player approach the coach is really unprofessional. In my mind, it should be the organisation that approaches another to inquire about one of its players. You see this in football (not handegg) all the time. Clubs always complain when other clubs approach its players behind their backs and pretty much convince them or entice them to join and let the player broach the subject with their own clubs. It's not the proper procedure, and I don't blame TSL for feeling cheated out of this "transfer". I'm sure EG felt that they were more likely to get PuMa (or at least, on the cheap) if PuMa did the talking. If EG approached TSL, TSL would probably just sign PuMa with a contract immediately. I don't think EG should deny its wrongdoing. It wasn't the proper procedure. It wasn't gentlemanly. EG shouldn't bleat that it's innocent as a lamb. The signing is secure anyway and EG knew what the PR risks were. Just cop it like a man, yo. So if EG talked with TSL first, then TSL may have quickly had Puma sign a contract, and Puma would miss a great opportunity. Anyways, I've already said this many times in this thread, but what this whole argument comes down to is what you believe is more important: the players or the organizations they are part of. If we believe the players are more important then we should be happy that EG did a good thing for Puma. | ||
tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On July 26 2011 13:59 happyness wrote: I guess I just have a different philosophy. EG was simply offering an individual a good opportunity and they let him consult his team before he agreed to anything. I don't see how extending offers is aggressive or underhanded. People are offered better jobs all the time, and most of the time the employer making the offer doesn't try to get permission from the person's current employer. In fact, most businesses would try to get that person to sign something right away, while AG was respectful enough to let Puma think about it and have him talk with his coach. You should know that employers that do that and important employees that change jobs in such circumstances are viewed with contempt in that business area. However, having this happen in professional sport is worse because of the public scope of the transfer. For instance, FC Barcelona plays the most fluid football (not handegg) in the world. Arsenal FC plays a similar style. Accordingly, in the past, many Arsenal FC fans were also fans of FC Barcelona. However, FC Barcelona has been tracking Arsenal FC's star player, Fabregas, for several years, and have often made public comments about a possible transfer without officially approaching Arsenal FC. Accordingly, although FC Barcelona are the best team in the world, have a fantastic youth football system and even sponsor UNICEF (instead of having Bwin sponsor them for 100m euros or w/e - i.e. they forgo a huge amount of potential revenue for charitable purposes), they have never had so many anti-fans as they do today. Obviously with success, breeds contempt, but the Fabregas saga is a major reason for the dislike against FC Barcelona today. | ||
trikshun
United States437 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:14 Flowjo wrote: you mean you can't be serious? Idra is about it, Incontrol and Demuslim are both second tier Demuslim is one of the best terrans in Europe If not 2nd best after thorzain. His only weak MU is TvZ but a lot of terrans are having problems with Z | ||
domane
Canada1606 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:43 starcraft2rush wrote: Puma wasn't under a contract so EG would have still gotten him, if they had first contacted TSL.because if they had done that...most likely they would not have gotten Puma on their roster. | ||
pt
United States813 Posts
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:04 Juanald wrote: Machine is easily top 3 foriegn zerg in my opinion even with players like mma boxer and choya joining MLG anahiem machine is considered a favorite that says something. the rest might not have the same celebrity as idra but any one of them can take a major tourney. dont let jealousy or hate blind u these players are far from mediocre. Sen, Morrow, Dimaga and Moonglade are all much more accomplished than Machine. Don't let your fanboyism get in the way of your reasoning. | ||
Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:04 Juanald wrote: Machine is easily top 3 foriegn zerg in my opinion even with players like mma boxer and choya joining MLG anahiem machine is considered a favorite that says something. the rest might not have the same celebrity as idra but any one of them can take a major tourney. dont let jealousy or hate blind u these players are far from mediocre. Machine a favorite? Bro trust me, I love machine, I think he's an amazing guy, but your saying he has better chance then mma/boxer? Boxer went 8-1 in NASL defeating idra in the process and lost to MC which is no shame. | ||
Juanald
United States354 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:06 Condor Hero wrote: who considers machine a favorite for mlg anaheim? I love machine and have a lot of respect for anyone who was a bw player but if thats really your opinion then youre quite clueless please theres no need to insult people with different opinions. a lot of people including myself consider machine to be a clear favorite. i think this tourney the foreign scene is gonna really surprise a lot of the haters just like huk proved the haters wrong at dreamhack. Group A - Haypro , Group B idra Group C -Drewbie Group D Machine at least 2 EG players are gonna advance 1 liquid and 1 coL (cruncher or drewbie) you heard it here first. On July 26 2011 14:16 Dakkas wrote: Sen, Morrow, Dimaga and Moonglade are all much more accomplished than Machine. Don't let your fanboyism get in the way of your reasoning. your entitled to your opinion i put my money on MoOnGlaDe EG.Machine coL.CatZ | ||
Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:31 Synwave wrote: Nice to hear this side of the story but I still don't understand why you would approach Puma first and not his coach. The basis of this whole story is that 1) EG approached puma first to find out if he would be interested 2) he said he wanted to talk to Mr Lee before EG did 3) EG agreed to this and then things went to PR hell because Mr Lee went to press I get that and I think most the people that have followed this story get that. Speaking strictly for myself I must say the issue I had with this is that EG didn't approach the coach first period. EG approached the player to see if there was interest first. I voted 0, Im still a fan. Next time approach the coach first though or that will shift to a -1. What I seem to get from this is that they used Puma as the messenger to start talks and it was an honest mistake. Either way, I'm sure EG will learn from this haha. ![]() | ||
Sayer
United States403 Posts
Nice to hear from the EG side. Yeah, there are some condtradicting stories, but I can put it aside now (not that I cared so much).. | ||
Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:15 trikshun wrote: Demuslim is one of the best terrans in Europe If not 2nd best after thorzain. His only weak MU is TvZ but a lot of terrans are having problems with Z Top tier Foreigner yea, but that doesn't necessarily mean top tier as much of the top tier is filled with Koreans and Naniwa, Thorzain, Idra, Sen , and a couple others | ||
OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
Personally I think Mr. Lee should apologize for going into public channels so quickly. That was the most unprofessional thing about this entire episode. | ||
Dakkas
2550 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:16 Juanald wrote: please theres no need to insult people with different opinions. a lot of people including myself consider machine to be a clear favorite. i think this tourney the foreign scene is gonna really surprise a lot of the haters just like huk proved the haters wrong at dreamhack. Group A - Haypro , Group B idra Group C -Drewbie Group D Machine at least 2 EG players are gonna advance 1 liquid and 1 coL (cruncher or drewbie) you heard it here first. your entitled to your opinion i put my money on MoOnGlaDe EG.Machine coL.CatZ Yeah you're just trolling if you're saying that's my opinion. | ||
cronaldo5909
Korea (South)15 Posts
I feel sympathy for TSL, they need to cheer up. | ||
OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
If these players had agents, it would have never happened. | ||
Nithix
United States184 Posts
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Ziggitz
United States340 Posts
On July 26 2011 14:03 tyCe wrote: Well, to be honest... I think the idea of letting the player approach the coach is really unprofessional. In my mind, it should be the organisation that approaches another to inquire about one of its players. You see this in football (not handegg) all the time. Clubs always complain when other clubs approach its players behind their backs and pretty much convince them or entice them to join and let the player broach the subject with their own clubs. It's not the proper procedure, and I don't blame TSL for feeling cheated out of this "transfer". I'm sure EG felt that they were more likely to get PuMa (or at least, on the cheap) if PuMa did the talking. If EG approached TSL, TSL would probably just sign PuMa with a contract immediately. I don't think EG should deny its wrongdoing. It wasn't the proper procedure. It wasn't gentlemanly. EG shouldn't bleat that it's innocent as a lamb. The signing is secure anyway and EG knew what the PR risks were. Just cop it like a man, yo. This kind of bullshit argument is getting thrown around a lot. You cannot in anyway compare any professional sport to SC2 like this. Football Clubs operate in multiple professional leagues that govern how the clubs that agreed by contractual obligation as a condition to enter said league to follow their regulations put in place to allow for fair competition. It's not the proper procedure for them because it's in their fucking contracts, not some honor code or some misguided notion that's its the polite way to do business. I can assure none of those teams give a shit about manners when there's potentially millions of dollars on the line and a star player to boot. There is no such organisation in SC2. Who is the FA, FIFA or UEFA of SC2? There isn't any. Stop pretending it's relevant in the slightest. | ||
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