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mcJ
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark322 Posts
July 25 2011 22:05 GMT
#161
With every season i miss the old ICCUP map system... I hate playing maps that aren't used in any tourneys or competitively at all



Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States533 Posts
July 25 2011 22:06 GMT
#162
On July 26 2011 06:55 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 06:52 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:43 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:41 dani` wrote:
Great changes. Many people are whining about taking out Metalopolis but come on, give Blizzard a break. They are finally removing Scrap Station AND Delta Quadrant, excellent. If statistics indeed say it's imbalanced, let's believe them on this one. Besides, it's refreshing to see new maps. I am afraid I do have to thump down at Tal'Darim because PvP is just horrible (you have to 4 gate), even though I like the other 2 matchups a lot on it. All other maps now seem to have a ramp you can block with 1 FF (unlike Scrap, which was the main reason I thumped it down in S2).


How the FUCK can you give someone a break when they remove a map for a reason, but keep another map (shattered temple) in the pool when it has the EXACT same problem. It just goes to show their fucking incompetence.


Maybe because meta has been around for a year now and still shows problems while shattered has only been on around for a few months and Blizzard wants to see if given more time the current data will change. Calm down.



Just because its old doesnt mean they should get rid of it. The maps have to be balanced not brand new, metalopolis was one of the most balanced ladder maps and is used in pretty much every tournament without close spawns. I hope blizzard gets a big backlash for this but unfortunately i fear people care more about more trivial matters than the ladder map pool .


They never said they were getting rid of it, they even said it has a strong chance of coming back in future ladder seasons. They want to try to rotate maps in and out of the pool to give variety. Meta, while a good map imo, has been around since the game came out. Also I'm not saying, or did say, that new maps = balanced I'm just saying that the more time you give a map to play on then the better data you can collect. What it comes down to is just a popularity contest really. If Blizzard told us that Delta was a balanced map around the board but they were still removing it I'm sure the reaction to it being gone wouldn't change. Blizzard tells people a popular map is imba so I'm not surprised people are mad.
Live it up.
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
July 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#163
On July 26 2011 07:03 thewax wrote:
why the hell is backwater gulch staying in the mappool? thats a horrible map


It has rocks, therefore it stays.
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
July 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#164
Xelnaga Caverns will now be the only 2 player map.
DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
July 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#165
If blizzard wants to make the ladder pool rush based maps why don't they just go back to a old tried and true tested map they had in the beta...
Ladies and Gentleman (who weren't in beta) I present you the best rush map blizzard ever made: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Incineration_Zone
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
MaBe
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States97 Posts
July 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#166
+ Show Spoiler +
Removed:
Scrap Station (2)
Slag Pits (4)
Delta Quadrant (4)
Metalopolis (4)

Carried over:
Xel’Naga Caverns (2)
Backwater Gulch (4)
Shakuras Plateau (4)
Tal'Darim Altar LE (4)
The Shattered Temple (4)
Typhon Peaks (4)

New:
Nerazim Crypt (4)
Searing Crater (4)

Antiga Shipyard (4)
Abyssal Caverns (4)


REMOVED
Veto'd 2 of them, slag pits was fun.
Whoa! Metal is gone?

NEW
Nerazim crypt is fun.
Still Not Hot_Bid
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
July 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#167
On July 26 2011 07:03 Fede wrote:
Show nested quote +
Kaivax
Community Manager
In Season 3, we’re introducing a number of changes to the map pool; we’re dropping some older maps, and adding a number of new ones. One of the more notable changes we’re making is the removal of Metalopolis. We realize that this is quite a popular map, and we wanted to discuss the reasons why we might make such a change and hopefully lay some of your concerns to rest. We also would like to point out that merely because a map has been removed from the pool, does not mean that it will never make a return in the future. Despite its flaws, Metalopolis has strong potential to be a map that returns in future ladder seasons.

Still, there are reasons why we decided to retire Metalopolis for now:

Metalopolis has been around for quite a long time, over a year including beta. We felt that taking it out of the rotation would make some room for variety in the map pool.

Metalopolis suffers balance issues when close spawn positions occur, but becomes too predictable when they are simply disabled. Close positions have been under a lot of discussion lately, and we’re definitely examining better options to allow for random spawn positions across the map pool without also creating too much predictability and vulnerability to proxy rushes.

Overall balance has also proven to be an issue on Metalopolis -- even factoring in close position spawn issues. It’s among the least balanced maps currently in the ladder pool, and along with Scrap Station (also being removed) and Tal’darim Altar, has a heavy (60%+) bias toward zerg at the highest levels of play.


If Metalopolis makes a return to the ladder pool in the future, it will likely receive some balance tinkering, much like that administered to Lost Temple which resulted in the creation of Shattered Temple. In the meantime, we hope that you enjoy the fresh maps that have been added to the ladder pool in Season 3.


They should add this to the OP so people stop arguing meta is the most balanced map in the pool, and also realize GSL maps are not the best maps in the world. They have flaws just like blizz maps.
Tal'Darim was never balanced. And i don't think crossfire is even close to being balanced, it's one of the worst maps in the pro scene.

Edit: Engrish.


GSL Taldarim is pretty balanced, ladder Taldarim (used in tournaments (even MLG) for some unknown stupid reason) has been said to be protoss favored (from LSPRime, the guy who made it).
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
July 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#168
On July 26 2011 07:05 mcJ wrote:
With every season i miss the old ICCUP map system... I hate playing maps that aren't used in any tourneys or competitively at all





Old ICCUP system had good things but also quite a lot of flaws, for example it was rather hard to get to play new maps when there were old ones like Python and Longinus in the pool, noone wanted to play on them when they didn't have to and one of these old maps were almost always in the map of the week.
BravoScripT.DK
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark230 Posts
July 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#169
Cya later GM
Zerg all the wayz
Deadiam
Profile Joined October 2010
United States69 Posts
July 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#170
I find it sad that there is only 1 2-player map now. I think 2 was a good number to have.

As a Terran Metalopolis was a really hard map for me against Zerg, I am going to miss the ninja "Gold Float" in the beginning though ... was always a fun strat.
Jinro | Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Socking, I know.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
July 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#171
Kind of wish they had taken out Xel Naga; its a great map and one of their best efforts so far, but I've played hundreds of games on it at this point.

I dunno; I feel like the ladder should be a proving ground for new maps, and Xel Naga has been proven.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Zerker
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada201 Posts
July 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#172
On July 26 2011 07:00 Treva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 06:54 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:52 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:43 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:41 dani` wrote:
Great changes. Many people are whining about taking out Metalopolis but come on, give Blizzard a break. They are finally removing Scrap Station AND Delta Quadrant, excellent. If statistics indeed say it's imbalanced, let's believe them on this one. Besides, it's refreshing to see new maps. I am afraid I do have to thump down at Tal'Darim because PvP is just horrible (you have to 4 gate), even though I like the other 2 matchups a lot on it. All other maps now seem to have a ramp you can block with 1 FF (unlike Scrap, which was the main reason I thumped it down in S2).


How the FUCK can you give someone a break when they remove a map for a reason, but keep another map (shattered temple) in the pool when it has the EXACT same problem. It just goes to show their fucking incompetence.


Maybe because meta has been around for a year now and still shows problems while shattered has only been on around for a few months and Blizzard wants to see if given more time the current data will change. Calm down.


That's the most stupid logic i've ever heard in my life. Shattered temple shares the same problem as metalopolis what part of this do you not understand? Look i'm trying to be nice here, but it doesn't take a genius to understand this.


I really don't see how my logic is that far fetched and I really don't believe it's the most stupid logic you've ever heard in your life either. I'm not saying I don't understand the fact they have the same problems. I think giving a map that has been around about 1/4 the time as meta more time in the pool to see if it keeps following what their data is telling them now much more of a reasonable answer than just throwing it out only after a few months of play.


Do not troll me, I'm really not in the mood. You know as well as i do, that before shattered temple was re visioned, It was the lost temple. Also you should know Lost temple was released as one of the first map in Day 1 beta. You also know blizzard's reasoning behind removing Metalopolis and if you have an IQ over 75, You will understand the same reason should apply to shattered temple.

So i say again, Do NOT troll me. I'm really not looking forward to playing shit season 3, on shit maps. I'm in a bad enough mood as it is.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
July 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#173
eww typhon peeks stays and metal goes...sight,,,
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
kawaiiryuko
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 22:10:30
July 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#174
Can anyone who has played on the PTR give us any thoughts on the new maps with actual play experience?
Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
July 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#175
I think this maps for season 3 are insult to the community that supports SC2 and are complete joke. Good luck to all you zergs who try to play on this maps or any other kind of macro players who think they can get a fast 3rd absolute shit maps. Many position imbalances,alot of imba bunker placements,good luck stoping 7gate+robo blink stalkers on this maps and tank,thor drops.
Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
July 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#176
What blizzard that is like the only good map you have made in this game, why would you take it out. Its not old, its good.
IMHope
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)1241 Posts
July 25 2011 22:11 GMT
#177
Why in the world are they taking out Metalopolis. I was so happy when I read the first 3 maps and once I saw Metalopolis in there I thought Blizzard has to be trolling me.
Jessica Jung, Kim Taeyeon, Kwon Yuri <333
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#178
RIP Metalopolis, you had a good run.
To be honest, bar that map, they took out almost the really awful maps. We'll have to see how good the new ones are. A damn shame that they never even appeared to consider the GSL maps. Something like Dual Sight would be really awesome.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#179
On July 26 2011 07:10 kawaiiryuko wrote:
Can anyone who has played on the PTR give us any thoughts on the new maps with actual play experience?

In short : If you're zerg theres 1 decent, the others are really bad
If you're terran and you learn how to use siege tanks they are the best maps in the world.
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drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 25 2011 22:14 GMT
#180
Why was Metalopolis removed?
No Rocks.
It all makes sense...
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