Havent seen much of the new 4 yet, but given that 3 of the 4 maps theyre removing were mediocre at best I'd say chances are good this will work out alright

RedMosquito

United States280 Posts

July 25 2011 21:59 GMT

#143

apparently blizzard doesn't want to make their game better. backwatergulch is one of the worst maps ever made and they're going to keep that instead of metalopolis. what did they just draw maps out of a hat or something!

Treemonkeys

United States2082 Posts

July 25 2011 22:00 GMT

#144

Does anyone know if they are leaving shattered temple with close spawns?

Treva

United States533 Posts

July 25 2011 22:00 GMT

#145

On July 26 2011 06:54 Zerker wrote:

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That's the most stupid logic i've ever heard in my life. Shattered temple shares the same problem as metalopolis what part of this do you not understand? Look i'm trying to be nice here, but it doesn't take a genius to understand this.

I really don't see how my logic is that far fetched and I really don't believe it's the most stupid logic you've ever heard in your life either. I'm not saying I don't understand the fact they have the same problems. I think giving a map that has been around about 1/4 the time as meta more time in the pool to see if it keeps following what their data is telling them now much more of a reasonable answer than just throwing it out only after a few months of play.

shmoo

United States139 Posts

July 25 2011 22:01 GMT

#146

Metal is an old map, and had close spawn issues. I would have preferred Temple being removed instead, since its just a LT clone and thus is quite old.

I am happy that I am getting all three of my vetoes back since Scrap, Delta, and Pits are being removed.

Lord_J

Kenya1085 Posts

July 25 2011 22:02 GMT

#147

Pretty good removals overall. Yes, Metalopolis will be missed, but it wasn't going to stick around forever. The other three were frankly bad maps that most people had vetoed.

Ryzu

United States369 Posts

July 25 2011 22:02 GMT

#148

So many people crying "it's the end of the world!" with Metal removed. Hilarious. It was time, it's run its course. Blizzard will keep the map pools fresh, and substitute old maps for new ones. Everyone knows this is the case, and anyone complaining about it now has had blinders on for far too long.

iRon aka bananajuice

Germany124 Posts

July 25 2011 22:02 GMT

#149

there was only one map out of the original mappool which is still seen often in tourneys, because it is very balanced and playable with the little fix of the close positions, that was metal and blizzards conclusion out of this is not maybe to fix the close positions in the ladder version... no they remove it

cant follow your thoughts guys, really cant follow it...

1st_Panzer_Div.

United States621 Posts

July 25 2011 22:02 GMT

#150

Can't believe they got rid of Meta; the one map that they really got right. But if they're removing scrap and delta, it almost balances out to be a neutral move. If only they had removed typhoon and kept meta.

Also they really need a 3 player map (for 1v1).

NotSupporting

Sweden1998 Posts

July 25 2011 22:03 GMT

#151

Good choice to remove Metapolis, we need map rotation and that map has just been around a little too long now. It's sort of like Python in BW, we all loved it and played hundreds of games on it but after a while most of us agreed it was time to look at new maps instead (there was a time when ICCUP had Python in every MOTW for a long time).

akaname

United Kingdom599 Posts

July 25 2011 22:03 GMT

#152

i really enjoyed testing the maps out, from the POV of a platinum protoess who is nowhere near good enough to feel the imbalance that everyone is going on about, i think the new maps play great. a lot better than the ones they're replacing (with the exception of Metal obv)

fraktoasters

United States617 Posts

July 25 2011 22:03 GMT

#153

All this talk about Meta begs the question, why is Xel'naga Caverns still in?

thewax

Austria365 Posts

July 25 2011 22:03 GMT

#154

why the hell is backwater gulch staying in the mappool? thats a horrible map

Fede

Uruguay114 Posts

July 25 2011 22:03 GMT

#155

Kaivax
Community Manager
In Season 3, we’re introducing a number of changes to the map pool; we’re dropping some older maps, and adding a number of new ones. One of the more notable changes we’re making is the removal of Metalopolis. We realize that this is quite a popular map, and we wanted to discuss the reasons why we might make such a change and hopefully lay some of your concerns to rest. We also would like to point out that merely because a map has been removed from the pool, does not mean that it will never make a return in the future. Despite its flaws, Metalopolis has strong potential to be a map that returns in future ladder seasons.

Still, there are reasons why we decided to retire Metalopolis for now:

Metalopolis has been around for quite a long time, over a year including beta. We felt that taking it out of the rotation would make some room for variety in the map pool.

Metalopolis suffers balance issues when close spawn positions occur, but becomes too predictable when they are simply disabled. Close positions have been under a lot of discussion lately, and we’re definitely examining better options to allow for random spawn positions across the map pool without also creating too much predictability and vulnerability to proxy rushes.

Overall balance has also proven to be an issue on Metalopolis -- even factoring in close position spawn issues. It’s among the least balanced maps currently in the ladder pool, and along with Scrap Station (also being removed) and Tal’darim Altar, has a heavy (60%+) bias toward zerg at the highest levels of play.

If Metalopolis makes a return to the ladder pool in the future, it will likely receive some balance tinkering, much like that administered to Lost Temple which resulted in the creation of Shattered Temple. In the meantime, we hope that you enjoy the fresh maps that have been added to the ladder pool in Season 3.

They should add this to the OP so people stop arguing meta is the most balanced map in the pool, and also realize GSL maps are not the best maps in the world. They have flaws just like blizz maps.
Tal'Darim was never balanced. And i don't think crossfire is even close to being balanced, it's one of the worst maps in the pro scene.

Edit: Engrish.

sh4w

United States713 Posts

July 25 2011 22:04 GMT

#156

Good choices on map removals.
Now if only the maps they were adding were good...

Yamulo

United States2096 Posts

July 25 2011 22:04 GMT

#157

wtf blizzard... T_T I don't see why they remove a good map and put in some pretty dicey looking maps...

DrBoo

Canada1177 Posts

July 25 2011 22:04 GMT

#158

On July 26 2011 06:58 RogerChillingworth wrote:

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It's too new, and doesn't have the backlash (^_^) that Slag Pits does. I actually didn't mind slag pits all that much.

Really? you liked slag pits? you like having zero viable options for a 3rd? You liked having rush distances on close spawn that were closer then any other map ever (including Incineration zone)

NotSupporting

Sweden1998 Posts

July 25 2011 22:05 GMT

#159

On July 26 2011 07:03 fraktoasters wrote:
All this talk about Meta begs the question, why is Xel'naga Caverns still in?

Well I think it would have been too big of an surprise to remove both Meta and Xel at the same time, both are huge favorites. Also as far as I know Xel is considered more balanced by Blizzard.

Bibbit

Canada5377 Posts

July 25 2011 22:05 GMT

#160

Ooh, three of the maps removed were the ones I had downvoted. And I did like Metal (short of close positions) but it is really really old and its probably for the best we got rid of it. It and Scrap were the only maps still left from the beta.