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On July 26 2011 07:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 07:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 07:48 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:47 DeepBlu2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal. Is this you saying the same wrong thing twice HAHAHAHAA.. You are calling me an idiot yet you have short term memory loss and think I posted it twice... I like how you find it hilarious that Metal has a 60% zerg win rate against Terran yet Xel'Naga is 60% TvZ...Yet Blizzard does nothing. It's irritating how you are oblivious to why Blizzard removed it and why they won't remove any other map... Zerker has his points as well as me yet all you have are you spamming this thread with useless posts. metal is a 53.7% win rate for zerg not 60, not anywhere near as high as xelnaga. And where are you getting your statistics from? If it's results from every tournament game in the past year then how the hell is that a good statistic? You have to look at the current state of the game and look at the most recent games over games from a year ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/396_Xel'Naga_Cavernshttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/441_Metalopolis_1.1thats where I get my statistics, tournament results. Also on the metal its from march 25'th to today so 4 months.
Not all those tournaments is what I'd consider "highest levels of play".
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On July 26 2011 07:08 Deadiam wrote:
I find it sad that there is only 1 2-player map now. I think 2 was a good number to have.
As a Terran Metalopolis was a really hard map for me against Zerg, I am going to miss the ninja "Gold Float" in the beginning though ... was always a fun strat.
the problem with 2 player maps is it promotes coin flippy things in matches up like zvz and zvg
tiny rush distances on close spawn some maps doesnt help either but oh well, atleast blizzard is half way there x)
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On July 26 2011 07:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 07:52 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 07:48 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:47 DeepBlu2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal. Is this you saying the same wrong thing twice HAHAHAHAA.. You are calling me an idiot yet you have short term memory loss and think I posted it twice... I like how you find it hilarious that Metal has a 60% zerg win rate against Terran yet Xel'Naga is 60% TvZ...Yet Blizzard does nothing. It's irritating how you are oblivious to why Blizzard removed it and why they won't remove any other map... Zerker has his points as well as me yet all you have are you spamming this thread with useless posts. metal is a 53.7% win rate for zerg not 60, not anywhere near as high as xelnaga. And where are you getting your statistics from? If it's results from every tournament game in the past year then how the hell is that a good statistic? You have to look at the current state of the game and look at the most recent games over games from a year ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/396_Xel'Naga_Cavernshttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/441_Metalopolis_1.1thats where I get my statistics, tournament results. Also on the metal its from march 25'th to today so 4 months. Not all those tournaments is what I'd consider "highest levels of play".
better statistics then going by ladder play (which has close positions where as tournaments do not so...).
Also look at the players, most of the players I see are known names so again dunno what else you are looking for, but if you prefer blizzards ladder rankings then tournaments then lol.
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On July 26 2011 07:51 OPL3SA2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 07:46 Brayzon wrote:lol they are adding 4 crappy maps, even worse for zerg if close spawns and then remove meta with such a shitty argumentation. as a zerg, i feel like they feed the noobs. oh yeah, we are removing metalopolis, but adding 4 maps, that u can cheese ur way to masters. if they would make the mappool with maps of users, it would have gone alot better e.g. crossfire xnc meta bel'shir crevasse terminus tal'darim xnf dual sight neo enigma testbug shattered iccup nemesis iccup starlight breaker shakuras plateau you see there is even too much GREAT maps to create a single map pool with it, you could easily build up to 5 different, balenced map pools. but instead, blizzard is giving us 4 new shitty maps, while there is still backwater gulch remaining. also i dont get it, why they dont actually add user maps. there are some great iccup/gsl maps. blizzard is doing the worst they coud have done. again. losing to a 6pool allin cause u spawned close on slagpits or losing to 5rax due to the maps that enables such effects sucks, definetely. now you can expect them alot more often (on 4 maps). once again, fuck you blizzard  im out, and dont know how long i will continue to play the ladder in the game i most loved. ther IS a reason why NOONE uses blizzards maps. i wouldve posted this in the bnet forums, but due to the fact that ive got an eu account, i cant post there. as a european i feel like i just can swallow the shit, that the mightier persons produce, like in human centipede (lol). i havent had the abillity to play on a SINGLE pta, cause there was only one, which i missed cause im european. yeah great justice there. thats it, flame me blame me but PLEASE notice my humble and most honest oppinion TL;DR Summarization: You're using this new map pool as an opportunity to exit the game while you still have some face to save. Just understand you're going to bring that level of bad to any game you play
please dont quote me if you havent read. all i say is that many pros already said goodbye to the ladder and only practice with their teammates, cause noone uses the ladder maps.
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These map pool changes are so. fucking. AWESOME! As a Zerg player, I feel like almost none of the maps are geared toward me, it's simply a matter of "damn, I hope this map isn't another map that can be abused and is no fun to play on too".
They literally just made Zerg balanced and fine overnight. Removing those ridiculous broken maps for ZvT (Scrap Station with a ridiculous third and tight chokes, Delta Quadrant rofl), Slag Pits is a joke for ZvX. It's like they took all my veto suggestions, and got rid of those maps. Metal and ST close spawn is pretty bad, I liked Metal but close spawn made that map so broken. ST is pretty bad ZvP though ;/
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On July 26 2011 07:10 Severus_ wrote:
I think this maps for season 3 are insult to the community that supports SC2 and are complete joke. Good luck to all you zergs who try to play on this maps or any other kind of macro players who think they can get a fast 3rd absolute shit maps. Many position imbalances,alot of imba bunker placements,good luck stoping 7gate+robo blink stalkers on this maps and tank,thor drops.
If those are shit, that's what vetoes are for.
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WTF why must you remove the best map you ever made, blizz.
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Each new season they remove an additional 2 player map and replace it with a 4 player map. I don't care what map i play on, one of my favorites was MLG metalopolis as a terran vs zerg. So evidently I was really liking a 40% terran map that was changed to slightly favor zerg even more (rank 1 masters)
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It is laughable and disturbing that they had a map pool that favours short games for the first year of the game's release, then call it overbalance when taldarim appears zerg favoured. Most zerg players spent a year playing one macro oriented style while most terran and protoss players spent a year playing a relatively low base count style, and they don't see why their largest map seems zerg favoured? It should be, if you consider playstyle trends. If every map were as large for a year from the beginning of the game, I'm not so sure taldarim would be 60% zerg favoured. If every large map appears zerg favoured after everyone on ladder plays styles suited to larger maps, the solution is tweaking zerg, not making smaller maps.
PS:
I want... crevasse...please?
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It'd be hilarious to see people in this thread going back in time to sc1 or bw and playing lost temple
"wtf, terran can just drop on my nat ledge and kill my expo and there is nothing i can do. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!" *quits game forever*
back then there was only one map people played.. so ppl learned how to actually deal with stuff rather than just complaining lol
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On July 26 2011 07:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 07:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 07:52 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 07:48 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:47 DeepBlu2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal. Is this you saying the same wrong thing twice HAHAHAHAA.. You are calling me an idiot yet you have short term memory loss and think I posted it twice... I like how you find it hilarious that Metal has a 60% zerg win rate against Terran yet Xel'Naga is 60% TvZ...Yet Blizzard does nothing. It's irritating how you are oblivious to why Blizzard removed it and why they won't remove any other map... Zerker has his points as well as me yet all you have are you spamming this thread with useless posts. metal is a 53.7% win rate for zerg not 60, not anywhere near as high as xelnaga. And where are you getting your statistics from? If it's results from every tournament game in the past year then how the hell is that a good statistic? You have to look at the current state of the game and look at the most recent games over games from a year ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/396_Xel'Naga_Cavernshttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/441_Metalopolis_1.1thats where I get my statistics, tournament results. Also on the metal its from march 25'th to today so 4 months. Not all those tournaments is what I'd consider "highest levels of play". better statistics then going by ladder play (which has close positions where as tournaments do not so...).
I don't think it was ever implied that it was off of ladder play. And close spawns wouldn't favor zerg so how is it over 60% in favor of zerg? Wherever they get their statistics from it is definitely not from any ladder.
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On July 26 2011 07:57 travis wrote:
It'd be hilarious to see people in this thread going back in time to sc1 or bw and playing lost temple
"wtf, terran can just drop on my nat ledge and kill my expo and there is nothing i can do. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!" *quits game forever*
back then there was only one map people played.. so ppl learned how to actually deal with stuff rather than just complaining lol
Wtf, you can forcefield ramps? Abusive!!
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Noo, how is High Orbit and Toxic Slums being kept in, awful 2s map with no close expansion and rocks at the closest one, and the massive cheesefest 4s map.
I'm going to miss Typhon, had some awesome macro games on that... damn...
Questionable decisions regarding the 1v1 maps, good thing I don't play that.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
why the hell is shattered temple still in the map pool rofl
it is the EXACT same as metalopolis with the shitty close spawns -_- and no one likes backwater gulch
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Metalopolis removed because no rocks obvious :-)
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I don't know why so many people are complaining. Sure metal is out but they got rid of scrap, slag and delta. All three of which are terrible maps.
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On July 26 2011 07:57 travis wrote:
It'd be hilarious to see people in this thread going back in time to sc1 or bw and playing lost temple
"wtf, terran can just drop on my nat ledge and kill my expo and there is nothing i can do. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!" *quits game forever*
back then there was only one map people played.. so ppl learned how to actually deal with stuff rather than just complaining lol
Travis, I brought this up earlier, but why can't blizzard reach out to the community for maps? I personally don't have a particularly nuanced opinion on the new versus old map pool, being neither good enough to tell the difference nor having access to the statistics. But wouldn't having the community (whether that be TL, or just general Battle Net) submitting and voting on maps help in terms of making people happy and choosing cool maps? In what way does it make sense for Blizzard to do this themselves when we lack the information they have for the maps they pick?
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On July 26 2011 07:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 07:55 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 07:52 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 07:48 blade55555 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:47 DeepBlu2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:43 OPL3SA2 wrote:On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal. Is this you saying the same wrong thing twice HAHAHAHAA.. You are calling me an idiot yet you have short term memory loss and think I posted it twice... I like how you find it hilarious that Metal has a 60% zerg win rate against Terran yet Xel'Naga is 60% TvZ...Yet Blizzard does nothing. It's irritating how you are oblivious to why Blizzard removed it and why they won't remove any other map... Zerker has his points as well as me yet all you have are you spamming this thread with useless posts. metal is a 53.7% win rate for zerg not 60, not anywhere near as high as xelnaga. And where are you getting your statistics from? If it's results from every tournament game in the past year then how the hell is that a good statistic? You have to look at the current state of the game and look at the most recent games over games from a year ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/396_Xel'Naga_Cavernshttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/441_Metalopolis_1.1thats where I get my statistics, tournament results. Also on the metal its from march 25'th to today so 4 months. Not all those tournaments is what I'd consider "highest levels of play". better statistics then going by ladder play (which has close positions where as tournaments do not so...). I don't think it was ever implied that it was off of ladder play. And close spawns wouldn't favor zerg so how is it over 60% in favor of zerg? Wherever they get their statistics from it is definitely not from any ladder.
Where else would it be then? If its tournament play, then they are lying their asses off. And point being ladder is a bad place to get statistics never said it favored zerg, just said it would include close positions. So lets say hypothetically it was a 60% win rate for zerg with close positions, without it lets say it would rise to 80%. That would be good to know if it were somehow like that even though its not even close.
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On the bright side, I suppose I have a spare veto to use on backwater gulch :p
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Why not just remove close spots on meta???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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