EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 219
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zeru
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hyouro
Denmark45 Posts
In CS nothing happened when a player broke the contract. Also G7 is another example of the esport ideology that didn't do shit. Same with contracts. But if people know of stories about a player or clan getting fucked by a broken contract please feel free to give insight on this. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:34 JWD wrote: Ah yes thank you, I did vaguely remember something like this as well (though not well enough to be able to find the news post  ). If our memories are correct, there definitely is some ongoing connection between KeSPA and the Korean government.Hopefully Milkis can help us figure this out since he is a knowledgeable guy and seemed pretty convinced that KeSPA has nothing to do with the government. Government does provide some money for KESPA as they think it is a valuable part of Korean culture. Past that, KeSPA is run by the sponsors of the big eSports teams in Korea. KeSPA afaik was founded in a similar way with team owners protesting against media/tournaments mistreating players. It evolved into what it is today thanks to all the "little stuff" that happened a long the way. | ||
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Nastiness
Sweden275 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:42 chatuka wrote: I think we live in a bubble. The real world is a world of harsh cruelties and treason. This episode is like comparing a family member who went to another country for a better life (Puma). And you guys are like comparing this situation as though EG kidnapped him and left a ransom note for TSL. Really, EG aren't geniuses, they just did what was in their best interest. They need to make a lot more moves, hopefully backed by Rich Corporations. I hope Samsung and Hyundai start Sponsoring SC2 teams as well for Korea. Sony for Japanese SC2 players. They could atleast have given incontrol as trade offer to TSL  . | ||
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Thorrissey
United States29 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:42 SafeAsCheese wrote: This thread has come full circle, same arguments on page 20, 50, 100, 150, 200... etc At least we're all having fun ... right? | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:44 Milkis wrote: Government does provide some money for KESPA as they think it is a valuable part of Korean culture. Past that, KeSPA is run by the sponsors of the big eSports teams in Korea. KeSPA afaik was founded in a similar way with team owners protesting against media/tournaments mistreating players. It evolved into what it is today thanks to all the "little stuff" that happened a long the way. Thanks very much Milkis this clarifies your initial answer nicely.Well, I've learned some things  | ||
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nozh
Canada93 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:44 Nastiness wrote: They could atleast have given incontrol as trade offer to TSL .you couldn't give incontrol away. | ||
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
- SK presumably negotiated this deal directly with oGs since there wasn't really any outcry (one can only assume oGs would have made a big deal if SK went behind their backs). - Rain left TSL team weeks before he joined Fnatic. He expressly said in the article about him leaving TSL that he wanted to join a foreign team and play foreign events, so it wasn't a big surprise. - fOu and FXO had been working together and built a nice relationship, so the FXO acquisition of fOu isn't really a big shocker In this case however, PuMa was obviously still a member of TSL. EG had full knowledge that he was on the team, and decided to negotiate a deal with him anyways. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:43 zeru wrote: But has there ever been legal repercussions over ANYTHING in esports? only thing i can think of is unpaid prizemoney from tournaments to the winners. we just had the kim gayeon incident | ||
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camconnor
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User was warned for this post | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:45 Axel.Bowex wrote: Honestly, I love EG players, but my respect for the EG corporation has just completely plummeted. look into their past...this shouldnt suprise you that they did this. | ||
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[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:32 LegendaryZ wrote: When teams start mandating contracts in order to join their team to protect their investment in their players, you're effectively forcing players to accept contracts to play the game professionally. Teams that don't control their players will simply put themselves at risk of having these players get poached by other teams so everyone's going to start doing it if only to prevent themselves from being made fools of like in this instance. The players themselves have little choice in the matter because it's the teams that hold the money, resources, and opportunities. Do you think KeSPA grew up out of the ground overnight and started ruling their players with an iron fist from the start? It was a natural evolution of the type of business mindset that we're seeing here. While initially, players will be empowered by it, all of that change very quickly change once teams realize that they need to protect their own interests. This is not to say that it WILL happen, but we're certainly starting down the path where this becomes a very real possibility if we don't tread lightly. It's the teams not the players that need to tread lightly. Idra's ridiculous viewership (and consequently his income) due to his stream has nothing to do with EG and everything to do with Idra. Another example of a guy who makes tons of money off of his stream is Destiny and he doesn't even have a team. Teams have gotten away with screwing over players in the past, but only because the players are too timid to ask for what they are work. Example: no one on EG besides Gubby had a salary until Idra came along and has the balls to ask for a real one. Sure the teams still do have a lot of resources, but that it quickly changing. You couldn't make a salary off of streaming online a few years ago and now you can. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:44 Thorrissey wrote: EG=The New York Yankees of Starcraft? That analogy might hold when the team has more then two good players, as much as I like demuslim he doesn't look the same anymore after the arm break and time off. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote: Differences: - SK presumably negotiated this deal directly with oGs since there wasn't really any outcry (one can only assume oGs would have made a big deal if SK went behind their backs). - Rain left TSL team weeks before he joined Fnatic. He expressly said in the article about him leaving TSL that he wanted to join a foreign team and play foreign events, so it wasn't a big surprise. - fOu and FXO had been working together and built a nice relationship, so the FXO acquisition of fOu isn't really a big shocker In this case however, PuMa was obviously still a member of TSL. EG had full knowledge that he was on the team, and decided to negotiate a deal with him anyways. yeah but this does not mean anything legally and TSL is responsible for this fact. if they had a employment contract or something it would be binding. TSl chose not to do that and they are facing the consequences | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:36 legaton wrote: Liquid - oGs: partnership. Everyone is happy about it. SK Gaming - oGs: sponsorship for Nada and MC in foreign tournaments. Everyones happy about it Fanatic - Rain: recruitment of a new player. Some critics against Rain for leaving GSL so abruptly. No critics to Fanatic. FXO - Fou : buy-out after friendly negotiation. Everyone is happy about it. EG - TSL/Puma: recruitment of a player behind his team's back, lies about Puma contacting them first. TSL/Korean community is pissed off. People can claim "that's how capitalism work" all they want. Doesn't change the fact it is a shitty argument. Fanatic, Liquid, FXO, Sk Gaming are all pro structures working under free market conditions (aka capitalism). They had no problem negotiating their way through koreans team and players and founding acceptable agreements for all parties involved. What EG did just shows they have a short-sighted management and poor PR. EG's PR has got to be one of the worst. I think a big part of it is their holier-than-thou/community-is-full-of-whiny-bitches/come-at-me-bro attitude. They really need to work on improving their community relations, but after each incident like this and ITG, it becomes a PR nightmare, and it seems like they don't learn from past mistakes. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:44 JoeSchmoe wrote: lol so apparently the NASL finals is a recruitment ground for EG? Looks like they approached Sen, and other korean players as well. Stupid as hell considering Sen IS under contract. Sen's contract is done. This is why he is trying to decide if he wants to join the TeSL or stay in Fnatic and play internationally. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:36 legaton wrote: Liquid - oGs: partnership. Everyone is happy about it. SK Gaming - oGs: sponsorship for Nada and MC in foreign tournaments. Everyones happy about it Fanatic - Rain: recruitment of a new player. Some critics against Rain for leaving GSL so abruptly. No critics to Fanatic. FXO - Fou : buy-out after friendly negotiation. Everyone is happy about it. EG - TSL/Puma: recruitment of a player behind his team's back, lies about Puma contacting them first. TSL/Korean community is pissed off. People can claim "that's how capitalism work" all they want. Doesn't change the fact it is a shitty argument. Fanatic, Liquid, FXO, Sk Gaming are all pro structures working under free market conditions (aka capitalism). They had no problem negotiating their way through koreans team and players and founding acceptable agreements for all parties involved. What EG did just shows they have a short-sighted management and poor PR. Lol. How do you manage to write this shit without stopping for one second and realizing how awful of an post it would turn out to be ? Liquid\ oGs is nothing about a player buy. Their relationship with oGs has nothing to do with the EG case in any way or similarities at all. Fnatic\ Rain - Rain decided to leave his team. Fnatic picked up a player that stood without a team, shouldn't matter if he was Korean or European or whatnot. It was just picking up a player without a team. FXO \ FOU. Fou approach Fxo, asked if they would help them out, FOU becomes FXO - division Korea - nothing to do with this EG\ Puma at all. SK \ MC - Did you even read the thread about that ? People where (and probably still are) bitching like hell over that deal. Go read about it please. All those 4 have nothing in common with this case of player transfer at all. Why the need to try and shed a shitty light at EG when you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. It also seems like TSLs OWN coach said that Puma was not under any contract. That means EG (or any other team for that matter that is looking to recruit) has the posibility to ask the player if he wants to join. Thats totally legit and smart. And how is it short-sighted ? The sponsors will go bonkers over the fact they have the NASL winner (and on top of that a top Korean) on their team. It was a smart move by the EG management and it can only bring them more results & more money through sponsorships. I'm not even sure you understand the economic terms you use mean, or even understand economics & marketing all together. | ||
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