Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 217
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chatuka
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
And don't say its because of korean 'traditions.' Obviously TSL manager lost a very valueble asset and is pissed because he didn't have a contract. He's pissed because EG didn't respect his authoriteh, which he never had since his players are contractless. That's the managers job, and now because of this incident, he expresses his pissed self to the media for no reason. All it does is make Puma feel even worse or blame EG for his own fault. | ||
Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:18 GreEny K wrote: Rain was already off the team before Fnatic picked him up. FXO didn't buy fOu, fOu approached them with the offer. And what about Phoenix? Pretty sure he was still on MVP. | ||
Grantiere
United States129 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:29 Wuster wrote: Likewise, the first part is always going to be controversial. Just last year, when LeBron (who *was* a free agent) chose Miami over Cleveland a ton of people (outside Cleveland, who shouldn't have cared) raged day and night about him going for the money/better team. This is a misread. Much like in the EG situation, people didn't rage about the outcome so much as about the way it was handled and presented. And, btw, unlike Puma, Lebron went for less money to a higher performing team; Puma's going to a team with worse players for more financial stability. | ||
TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:29 chatuka wrote: i don't know what the big deal is. Yes TSL shoud've had a written contract with Puma. So, EG could pay TSL for the transfer of PUma for serious money. I don't know who is funding EG, my guess is Blizzard or some big corporate honcho. It's just a game, it's not like this game is taking away your bread money. A) No contract means EG owes TSL nothing. B) EG isn't funded by anyone (lol Blizzard what?) EG has been around a hell of a lot longer then WoW / SC2 and has teams for a lot more then just Blizzard titles. EG is sponsored but it's really quite simple to find out who those are had you bothered to do anything more then just hit the post button. C) EG and TSL are businesses, this isn't a game for them nor is it bread money this is their livelihoods. | ||
BeeNu
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:32 PHC wrote: Yes, I did. thirnaz adam @SirScoots you have yo be the biggest fucking joke of all time within esports; such a sad character you are. 10 hours ago ZinZio Zach @SirScoots Your response to @thirnaz just goes to show how professional EG has become.. 3 hours ago The fact that he's not addressing the issue and is replying to hateful comments with "umadbro?" with millions of SC fans around the world watching and hundreds of Korean progaming careers are affected because of his behavior.... why would he do that on twitter though? people should wait for the inevitable public statement from EG instead of acting like morons. Answers will come.. | ||
sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:32 Sprouter wrote: I'm pretty sure that Kespa is subsidized by the govt, there was a post that was concerned that korean esports would be cut in a govt budget cut a while back. Subsidies means the govt supports it not controls it. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:32 Sprouter wrote: I'm pretty sure that Kespa is subsidized by the govt, there was a post that was concerned that korean esports would be cut in a govt budget cut a while back. Ah yes thank you, I did vaguely remember something like this as well (though not well enough to be able to find the news post ![]() Hopefully Milkis can help us figure this out since he is a knowledgeable guy and seemed pretty convinced that KeSPA has nothing to do with the government. | ||
Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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natey-nate
United States20 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:29 Wuster wrote: More about the second part. Xeris posted that EG was approached a bunch of players at NASL about joining EG, including Sen. The morality of what happened is going to be argued about for the end of time. This situation is controversial even in America (so it's not the norm in America for those who are assuming otherwise), for example I think Howard Stern spent about a week slamming Leno on his radio show when he hired away one of Stern's guys without talking to him first or at all during the processes. Likewise, the first part is always going to be controversial. Just last year, when LeBron (who *was* a free agent) chose Miami over Cleveland a ton of people (outside Cleveland, who shouldn't have cared) raged day and night about him going for the money/better team. iirc Cleveland was offering Lebron MORE money than Miami (who had to reduce his salary to afford him, wade, and bosh all together). People were more upset with him because it made his whole free agency a gigantic spectacle culminating in an hour-long special just to announce what team he was choosing. Puma did win the NASL, but he is nowhere near the icon of SC2 as Lebron is to basketball. I don't really see the comparison between those 2 situations. | ||
farnham
1378 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:31 FairForever wrote: I'm not familiar with antitrust law in Korea (if it even exists)... in America you could definitely get blasted for that though. I'm genuinely curious to know how KeSPA exists. what does antitrust law have to do anything with employment contracts | ||
ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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befek
Poland413 Posts
EG: sup we have some money for you, interested? Puma: sure TSL: ARGH we havent been paying him, but we thought he is fine with what he had (losing uprising star) I dont see how EG did smth wrong, its just how things are in esport. | ||
legaton
France1763 Posts
SK Gaming - oGs: sponsorship for Nada and MC in foreign tournaments. Everyones happy about it Fanatic - Rain: recruitment of a new player. Some critics against Rain for leaving GSL so abruptly. No critics to Fanatic. FXO - Fou : buy-out after friendly negotiation. Everyone is happy about it. EG - TSL/Puma: recruitment of a player behind his team's back, lies about Puma contacting them first. TSL/Korean community is pissed off. People can claim "that's how capitalism work" all they want. Doesn't change the fact it is a shitty argument. Fanatic, Liquid, FXO, Sk Gaming are all pro structures working under free market conditions (aka capitalism). They had no problem negotiating their way through koreans team and players and founding acceptable agreements for all parties involved. What EG did just shows they have a short-sighted management and poor PR. | ||
Nastiness
Sweden275 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:31 DBOWNIZZ wrote: My god, IF PUMA HAD A CONTRACT HE WOULD NOT BE ALOUD TO LEAVE TSL....THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF A CONTRACT, DUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! User was warned for this post They break contracts all the time in counter-strike, with little to none aftermath. Esport is sucha phoony joke ![]() so i dont see any change even if contracts would come in use.. since the business is run by average joes | ||
chatuka
1351 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:33 Lokian wrote: So much shitstorm from Puma leaving TSL. Why is TSL blaming EG when they did nothing wrong? And don't say its because of korean 'traditions.' Obviously TSL manager lost a very valueble asset and is pissed because he didn't have a contract. He's pissed because EG didn't respect his authoriteh, which he never had since his players are contractless. That's the managers job, and now because of this incident, he expresses his pissed self to the media for no reason. All it does is make Puma feel even worse or blame EG for his own fault. TSL made a mistake by not writing a written contract. Lee coached him, housed him, saw his you know bathroom deeds. they were like a clan, family. You get ATTACHED or bonded to people or creatures. that is nature. But business will overcome bonding, if that means living a MUCH better lifestyle than a previous one. That is why Millions of tribal Altaic Chinese people and Altaic Russians renounced their culture for better economic life of the communist states. Pure Economic necessity to have indoor plumbing, steady food source. Puma did exactly that, can not blame him.. Neither can you blame EG., can not root for them, since I don't care much for EG. | ||
farnham
1378 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:32 DharmaTurtle wrote: Rofl. Ironically enough, this incident will cause contracts to occur, thanks to Puma's actions. Someone didn't read the OP. contracts and kespa are not related in anyway you can have contracts within the teams and not have a strict organization that regulates everything | ||
1oo
Portugal876 Posts
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