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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:22 imperator-xy wrote: ok now i dont think of EG as a professional team anymore + Show Spoiler + fuck them You mean EG is a professional team with contracts and such but questionable on the whole huggy feely respectful side of things? TSL seems to have made the professional blunder here, not EG. | ||
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
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sekritzzz
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
EG also threatened their family and kicked TLS's coach's dog. They have a hit squad of in Korea to make sure that all the teams know they are comming in a big way and plan to ruin the GSL, forcing all pros to come to NA and play in the NASL. After that they will rule the scene with an iron fist. After that they will ruin e-sports for everyone. Seriously...come on people. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
other Western managers such as Xeris have confirmed that the EG manager was approaching many players, including Sen. What the fuck. Trying to poach Sen and such too?? O_o | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:21 Grimsong wrote: Hold on here. You're wrong. Here's why. Rudy Fernandez is a professional basketball player. (Puma is a SC2 pro SC2 player) He plays within the league, the NBA (Currently there is no equivalent to the NBA in SC2. But in a sense, you could say that Korea is a league. and North America is a league. Lets say that. I like it as an analogy.) While Rudy Fernandez is being contracted within the NBA, Rudy Fernandez (While Puma was playing with TSL. We dont know 100% whether he is contracted or not, and even if he is, we dont know that the contract has the wording involved to legally stop something like this from happening, in Korea) was offered a contract from a team in Spain (a team that exists outside of the league, the NBA. EG, a team that exists outside of Korea). The NBA did not fine, or go after, or threaten, the Spanish club that was offering Rudy a contract. Why? Because they aren't a part of their association. They can't pursue anything, realistically, because they aren't affiliated. The league cant impose any infractions because they are not related or under the same rules and regulations. Rudy signing a contract with Spain to play Basketball is equivalent to Rudy signing a contract with South Africa to go Alligator Hunting. It's his choice. He can do whatever he wants while still honoring his contract. If he chose to play in Spain, he would have to work out with his current team (Dallas Mavericks. TSL) how to work out the contract. Whether it's them essentially waiving his contract (what TSL did to Puma, oh hello analogy), or sitting on it as it will be valid if he ever tries to re-enter the league, the NBA (whatever wording that contract he may have with TSL would be valid because he'd be re-entering that league,perse). That would have been up to Dallas/Rudy to sort out. But Spain had every right to offer the contract without asking Mark Cuban (the owner of the Dallas team) if he'd be ok with it. And guess what? No one in the NBA gave a damn about it because this is a common occurence in the league. You are wrong, there are many post before that explain exactly how it work in real sports, just read them. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
 I would too | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
No contract, no problem. Move along folks. | ||
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Nivity
Sweden371 Posts
It was just a matter of time, thanks to shit organizations like EG. Never liked EG and now they sank even more, hope EG fail in future tours. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:19 TheButtonmen wrote: -shrug- It's pretty clear cut from their PoV. Puma approchs them interested in joining. EG finds out Puma has no contract. EG does a happy dance. EG signs Puma. TSL does a sad dance. Coach Lee clearly states Puma didn't initiate the discussion. Though perhaps you're suggesting EG will continue to claim otherwise? I guess that's likely. Anyway, good to have the coach's clear statement on the issue, I guess it's pretty much as expected. Hopefully the SCII association does fix something up. It's sad that teams can't run on a trust basis when money's tight in the scene, but at least some kind of contract will give teams a bit more to stand on when other people try to poach their players. Best of luck to TSL for the future, hopefully they can stay strong despite these recent blows. | ||
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StarcraftChicago
United States51 Posts
Step 1: Startup eSport talent agency Step 2: ? Step 3: Profit | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:23 Milkis wrote: I have my sources. EG approached Korean players in this case. Period. where's the "esports need more transparency" idiots when u need them.... | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:23 DueSs wrote: AFAIK, People never hated Miami for going after Lebron. lebron was a free agent, puma was not. | ||
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DBOWNIZZ
United States66 Posts
You have to take risk, you HAVE to find a way to get a advantage over your competition. EG obv. made a LEGAL move since TSL is not making a statement about taking legal actions against Puma for changing teams, IF he had a contract TSL would have full rights of telling Puma no or going after EG for some of the money Puma makes. THERE IS NO MORALS IN BUSINESS......if you believe that and own your own business your going to run into alot of trouble. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:22 caradoc wrote: agreed-- and they're not helping their image outside of korea either, judging by the reaction. This is really another case of bad long term planning on EG's part. It might make short term sense to acquire a player like Puma, and doing so in the way that seems to be implicated in this thread may be the most effective way to do so, but this really doesn't help their brand equity in the community itself, which is really one of the most important assets of any team. Personally I think it's a great move. Why do you need brand equity in the community? At the end of the day, who is EG responsible to? Its sponsors. If picking up a better player = better performance = better team awareness = better sponsor awareness, then EG is doing its job. I agree that a lot of Korean teams will be unhappy, I think a lot of Foreigner teams will look at this as a potential opportunity - Korean players seem to be underpaid. As well, Foreigner teams have actual contracts... think EG and Demuslim, and how EG went through proper channels to get him on their team. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:18 zev318 wrote: way to jump to conclusions, "as he knows it". unless u hear from puma or EG, u dont know the truth The likelihood of any story EG decides to share being the actual "truth" at this point isn't very high. | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
You can have an oral contract that is legally binding. It is harder to proove. You can even have contracts that are not based in writing or in something that is said, but in practice. So the theoretical legal position is not as cut as dried as people are describing. This is of course completely unrelated to the facts of this individual case. But you should bear in mind that just because nothing was written on paper did not mean that Puma and TSL did not have an understanding. Clearly they did have an understanding, because TSL provided shelter and food for Puma and Puma played under the TSL game-tag. So all this nonsense that somehow there was nothing connecting Puma to TSL just because a contract is in disupte misses the point. And also this talk of morality is so crude. Morality has its place in law in the sense that law decides what is right and what is wrong. So it is entirely legitimate to talk about what is right and wrong here. Trying to pin all of that on the existence or absence of a piece of paper really shows a complete missunderstanding of what law is for. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:21 TheButtonmen wrote: How do you know? EG says they were approched, TSL coach says EG approched them. It's a giant game of he said / she said so instead of dealing with that I just used the phrase from their PoV. I'm not making any bold claims about which side is bullshitting to save face. Do you not read? Xeris (the closest thing to a neutral third party here, and a reliable name) stated himself that he knew EG's manager was APPROACHING players, including SEN. | ||
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