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JL_GG
Canada249 Posts
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
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.Enigma.
Sweden1461 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
It's pretty clear that if a player of forgg's skill transferred to SC2 he would be very strong. Probably not bonjwa status, but he would certainly be one of the best SC2 players. Hell, just look at his ladder ranking. Now imagine how good he would be if he had a team to practice with and took this game 100% seriously. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
But, before his slump-into-retirement Park Ji-Soo were in dual ro8 in starleagues only to get knocked out by Kal (2nd or 3rd best toss last season) 2-1 in a very close series and getting demolished 3-0 by his teammate Flash (who won both of the leagues, mind you). I think that fOrGG's retirement was simply due to his own frustration of not acheving anything and not performing as he would like to, so he probally won't have his mechanics (but then again, sc2 is less APM intensive). It's weird, because while he was known to make wacky and crazy timing attacks he actually had really damn good macro though his decision making was questionable at times. I doubt he is gonna perform to his "A-class bw potential" though it would make me happy seeing one of my favorite T's perform well :> | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On July 18 2011 01:51 DoomsVille wrote: I can't believe people are still arguing that there is no relationship between BW success and SC2 success. It is pretty clear that many of the skills do transfer over and pretty much every mid-high level BW pro that switched over has found success in SC2. It's pretty clear that if a player of forgg's skill transferred to SC2 he would be very strong. Probably not bonjwa status, but he would certainly be one of the best SC2 players. Hell, just look at his ladder ranking. Now imagine how good he would be if he had a team to practice with and took this game 100% seriously. Nobody's denying that there's a correlation between BW success and Starcraft 2 success, but it's not a strict and exact causation. In South Korea most of the gamers have a BW background so that's pretty logical that most of the players doing well for now have a BW background. In China it's the same thing with War3. And in Europe it's 50/50. The best BW/War3 players are not the best SC2 players, they're not even the most likely to succeed. They are a lot of BW/War3 semi pro who are younger and pretty much as talented (such as thorzain, Naniwa, MC etc...). | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On July 18 2011 00:49 setzer wrote: What do you consider success? Winning a GSL? Being in Code S? Every GSL winner (code a and s) besides Polt has a background in BW and almost every player in the GSL has a background in BW. If you can't see the correlation between BW and SC2 you aren't looking hard enough. The only correlation is that it seems to give the player a headstart. Nothing more. People used to laugh at Nestea because he had a terrible BW showing, commenting that his fame would soon fade when more decorated players would join the fray. When those players have come, however, they're the ones who flicker instead of shine. You'd think that this coveted BW experience would give them some huge advantage over the competition, so the top 8 would always showcase the best that came from BW. This isn't the case. They don't show consistent results when the cards are down. You don't see trends where the only people to take out MVP, MC, Nestea, etc. are each other. Instead the competition is so cutthroat that these players only enjoy a marginally better chance at a run for the championship one season at a time. I'm asking for evidence that BW results, and not simply pro experience, somehow translates into definitive domination of SC2. Until then, I retain my position that all we could expect from forgg in SC2 is that he would be seen in the GSL. | ||
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Tarot
Canada440 Posts
On July 18 2011 01:56 TeWy wrote: Nobody's denying that there's a correlation between BW success and Starcraft 2 success, but it's not a strict and exact causation. In South Korea most of the gamers have a BW background so that's pretty logical that most of the players doing well for now have a BW background. In China it's the same thing with War3. And in Europe it's 50/50. The best BW/War3 players are not the best SC2 players, they're not even the most likely to succeed. They are a lot of BW/War3 semi pro who are younger and pretty much as talented (such as thorzain, Naniwa, MC etc...). Not causation, but rather common cause. The best players at SC2 are going to be the most talented and disciplined players with the necessary infrastructure (Korea). And the best players at SC:BW are going to be the same. Those who were talented and hard-working enough to have survived and succeeded in the BW Kespa system will have absolutely no trouble in SC2. Also, on the topic of MC being too young in BW but 'just as talented'. + Show Spoiler + Baby won his first televised game at 13 and is currently 14th ELO at the age of 16. I don't know how long we were supposed to wait before IrOn showed his stuff... | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 18 2011 01:45 TeWy wrote: Totally biased pool of players in South Korea. There is like 1 good Warcraft 3 player for 50 good BW players, it's quite logical that BW players are going to dominate. That's like wondering why every single top Starcraft 2 players in China has a Warcraft 3 background. You can see in Europe where there's a lot of players with both a starcraft and a warcraft 3 background that they are dominating the scene quite equally, Warcraft 3 having a slight lead (judging at the ratio who qualified for TSL). Here's an interesting point to make though : I don't care about the euro or american scene? The best of the best are the bw players of korea. Whether or not wc3, or halo players dominate the euro and na scene doesn't matter to me because they get owned by the koreans anyway. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 18 2011 01:56 TeWy wrote: The best BW/War3 players are not the best SC2 players, they're not even the most likely to succeed. They are a lot of BW/War3 semi pro who are younger and pretty much as talented (such as thorzain, Naniwa, MC etc...). But that also depends on motivation and practice. FruitDealer and Tester are probably the most talented players still (even though they're not the most successful to switch), but it matters fuck all if you're going to just make a half-assed effort at it. Even mvp said his practice regime is pretty relaxed compared to BW. Practice is everything obviously, but given the same amount of practice and commitment, I'm still leaning towards the better BW players being better in SC2 as well. | ||
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BBV
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
 Hope he takes up sc2, if MC and MVP could have so little success in BW yet so much in SC2, then why shouldn't more successful BW players be even more gosu at SC2? | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On July 16 2011 01:18 Tabbris wrote: Uh i disagree with this -.-, Ya he won the a msl but thats basically it after that. He really wasent all that good after that Still better than MVP and way better than Iron and Zergbong though And he had been using a different ID for years so I don't know how much proof this is | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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Finskie
Sweden412 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 18 2011 03:23 Ikonn wrote: Still better than MVP and way better than Iron and Zergbong though And he had been using a different ID for years so I don't know how much proof this is It's not like he doesn't remember his old ID though.  I suppose anyone can answer "right" really, but this isn't the only source for the rumour either. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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PaPoolee
Netherlands660 Posts
On December 28 2010 17:55 Cedstick wrote: Now watch him move to Starcraft 2 and be a top-tier player XD This guy was the first to call it, on fOrGG's retirement thread =D looking forward to seeing him play in tournaments :O. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On July 18 2011 05:56 ppshchik wrote: BW success mean nothing, IdrA has said in his stream that many former BW players who should supposedly perform better are slacking after being released from BW pro-teams which is Frutidealer's and Tester's case. Bomber was a EstrO B-teamer yet he defeated IMMVP in the Code A finals. mvp's not successful, he had like under 40% televised winrate? the only reason he got any playing time was because stars had a fucking godawful terran lineup before they got really and purchased light. no one good has switched until forgg, he might've had a depressing run at the tail end of 2010 but before that he was doing okay in SPL and made it into individual leagues. | ||
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