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Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
July 17 2011 07:33 GMT
#261
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically
IMNestea's biggest fan.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
July 17 2011 07:37 GMT
#262
YellOw and forGG need to be a SC2 progamer
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 17 2011 07:48 GMT
#263
It would be awesome to see ForGG doing something again. Probablly just playing randomly rather than seriously competively though. Good luck to him in whatever he does whether it Esports related or not.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
July 17 2011 07:48 GMT
#264
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.
Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
July 17 2011 07:51 GMT
#265
On July 17 2011 16:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.


I wouldn't expect much of Sangho. Look at the players that Sangho actually won against in BW. Beating one of the higher tier BW players was few and far between for him.
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 08:01:53
July 17 2011 08:00 GMT
#266
On July 17 2011 16:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.

Do you need any more solid correlation than the fact that most of the top pros in SC2 originally played BW? (Including MC and Nestea whom you said yourself are the two most consistent top-tier players in the game which I would agree with)
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
bEwArE
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom121 Posts
July 17 2011 08:07 GMT
#267
Placed into Gold, made me LOL
IMMVP #1 Terran
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 08:25:32
July 17 2011 08:23 GMT
#268
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.


MMA's last 3 major tournaments are 2nd at WC(losing to Polt) winning MLG and then had a first round loss to a protoss. To me a slump requires more than one loss to actually be a slump.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 08:40:44
July 17 2011 08:39 GMT
#269
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.
.


Do you think MC is in a slump? He lost in group stages in GSL May and Ro64 Super Tournament - MVP lost in Ro32(I think)? I'm guessing not since he's been participating in tournaments outside Korea - but if you look at his results over the last few GSL seasons, other than the current one, then he wouldn't be considered "top-teir" either by your standards.

You can't really judge if a player is slumping or not due to the fact that losing 2 games means you don't get any playtime for a month - new GSTL helps with this obviously, although MVP and Nestea never need to be played by IM for their wins anyway.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 17 2011 09:07 GMT
#270
On July 17 2011 17:07 bEwArE wrote:
Placed into Gold, made me LOL


I'm thinking he bought the game, and the first thing he does is find 5 ladder matches, without reviewing the new units or hotkeys.
Blitz Beat
Profile Joined May 2011
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 09:17:37
July 17 2011 09:14 GMT
#271
On July 17 2011 18:07 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 17:07 bEwArE wrote:
Placed into Gold, made me LOL


I'm thinking he bought the game, and the first thing he does is find 5 ladder matches, without reviewing the new units or hotkeys.


I think it was said in the FXOBoss piece but in the Korean ladder, you can't / don't skip leagues. You have to go up the ladder one rung at a time. So gold -> plat -> diamond -> master -> grandmaster. Its not like it is in North America where you do your placement matches and get placed into diamond.

FYI, his mmr should be pretty high if he's matching up with Huk and some Zenex members. So his placement isn't necessarily a reflection of his skill.

edit - here's the quote from FXOBoss's thread

Highlight: Watching the world cry at our FXOteam account being in platinum, whilst tgun and the likes are playing players in High masters and grandmasters. Players such as rainbow, slayers_legalmind, nuclearfOu, and of course NEXPuzzle. It showed to me, the world really doesn't know what matters in Starcraft 2. I hope this ads some insight.

Fact: We discovered that on Korea, you only get promoted league by league, IE Plat -> Diamond -> Masters -> GM. It also depended on the number of games you played, however I attributed that to a flattening of the MMR%. Optikzero was the first player to Masters from FXO. Grandmasters is not going to happen because its too active on Korean server.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
July 17 2011 09:52 GMT
#272
On July 16 2011 01:15 darkness wrote:
Good news. I hope Yellow jumps into SC2, too.


OG Yellow or Match Fixing Yellow?
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
July 17 2011 15:41 GMT
#273
On July 17 2011 18:52 Arisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 01:15 darkness wrote:
Good news. I hope Yellow jumps into SC2, too.


OG Yellow or Match Fixing Yellow?


YellOw[ArnC] is banned from both games, so OG YellOw.
uzas
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia52 Posts
July 17 2011 15:47 GMT
#274
If its really forgg this is great news. Welcome to SC2!
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 17 2011 15:49 GMT
#275
On July 17 2011 16:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.


What do you consider success? Winning a GSL? Being in Code S? Every GSL winner (code a and s) besides Polt has a background in BW and almost every player in the GSL has a background in BW. If you can't see the correlation between BW and SC2 you aren't looking hard enough.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
July 17 2011 16:07 GMT
#276
On July 17 2011 18:07 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 17:07 bEwArE wrote:
Placed into Gold, made me LOL


I'm thinking he bought the game, and the first thing he does is find 5 ladder matches, without reviewing the new units or hotkeys.

Well he should have noticed the hotkeys during his first game and then changed them to BW-keys no?
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 16:37:23
July 17 2011 16:36 GMT
#277
On July 17 2011 16:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.


You don't see a correlation between bw and sc2? Do you see wc3 players winning gsl's? (well i guess polt) You may get off the stage now.
The Notorious Winkles
lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
July 17 2011 16:40 GMT
#278
On July 17 2011 16:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.

The Koreans sure have the consistency of beating foreigners. lol
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July 17 2011 16:41 GMT
#279
fOrGG was capable of TAKING BO5s OFF OF THE TWO BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

TAKING BO5s OFF OF THE TWO BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

Yeah, kind of a big deal.
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France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 16:46:00
July 17 2011 16:45 GMT
#280
On July 18 2011 01:36 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:48 aksfjh wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:33 Flowjo wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:27 aksfjh wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:10 rysecake wrote:
On July 16 2011 12:00 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 16 2011 11:47 seupac wrote:
On July 16 2011 10:04 pdd wrote:

Ah, I thought what you meant was the very top tier of players, which MVP and SangHo are not.

But nevertheless, they're different games, it's too early to make a judgment on where he'll be if he turns pro.


you are really writing MVP off after a slump this recent? hes the most dominant terran we have seen in sc2 thus far how can you consider him not even a PART of the "very top teir". maybe in his current slump he is no longer the best terran in the world but he is without a doubt one of them.


he's been slumping for quite a bit. Plus, not many people count the WC win as seriously as a regular GSL season. Imo, MVP probably like Nada; definitely good, but just under the top tier.


That's laughable.. any korean will tell you mvp is top tier.


Then "any Korean" would be wrong. There's a very interesting problem with SC2 right now in that it's lacking a great deal of consistency. Every 2-3 weeks, we have a new "top of the race," while one of the old leaders goes into some slump. Look at the runs of players like FruitDealer, MMA, MVP, and SC. All very impressive, but then get demolished by relative no-names causing a devastating fall. In fact, the major consistency we have is that some players who seem to be in perpetual slumps (zenio, fruitdealer, tester, etc.) can't seem to find the exit door from Code S.

Honestly, right now, "top tier" is such a loose term that it doesn't even really hold significant weight. The only players we can even say with certainty are "top tier" players would be Nestea and MC simply because they have won 2 titles each and continue to be relevant in meta-game modifications. Beyond those two players, however, the population is in such wild flux that ranking becomes so subjective that it's meaningless. You get this HUGE grey area that goes from Code S all the way down to Qualifiers, where people argue daily that some people who can't qualify for Code A could also take a Code S championship (and it's probably true).

Would forgg dominate the scene? I have no idea. However, we can at least assume that he would find mild success in it if he were to switch over, just like most other players with impressive RTS backgrounds.



so you don't follow broodwar basically

So, basically, you don't follow SC2. Show me some solid correlation between BW success and SC2 success and you can act like an elitist asshole all you want. Until sangho starts tearing up the scene, any speculation of the sort is wild nostalgia.


You don't see a correlation between bw and sc2? Do you see wc3 players winning gsl's? (well i guess polt) You may get off the stage now.


Totally biased pool of players in South Korea.
There is like 1 good Warcraft 3 player for 50 good BW players, it's quite logical that BW players are going to dominate.

That's like wondering why every single top Starcraft 2 players in China has a Warcraft 3 background.

You can see in Europe where there's a lot of players with both a starcraft and a warcraft 3 background that they are dominating the scene quite equally, Warcraft 3 having a slight lead (judging at the ratio who qualified for TSL).
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