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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
July 12 2011 11:20 GMT
#221
Bought season one, immediately was off put due to the many problems in production and sound, (even in the finals there were these problems). Also didn't enjoy the casters, not a knock on them just that I didn't enjoy listening.
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MaGariShun
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria305 Posts
July 12 2011 11:33 GMT
#222
I did not pay for NASL, but that doesn't mean much, cause I've never paid for anything starcraft related (except the game itself). There simply is so much content that is free and often times better than NASL that I can't really see why I should buy the ticket. The same time NASL is up (for me in europe at like 3 AM - I won't watch rebroadcasts) there are usually other streams, tourneys or cups with better production quality up.
Also, as so many said before, the format is just very boring to follow. 3 months of group play with most of the time not much on the line is not very appealing to me. They should maybe break it up in 2 week mini tournaments with small prizes and at the end do grand finals.

That all aside, the production quality is just EXTREMELY bad. It seems they haven't hired any professionals at all. Everything I see there I could have done myself, and I'm not even good on those things.
- The graphics artwork is just cheap and is something you would do in your first attempts on photoshop
- The sound has issues with levels and quality (skype casts with apparently bad microphones)
- The sound has this reverb from the studio which reminds me everytime that they just cast in some room. There really should be no reverb in a proper studio/sound setup
- I don't know how to describe it, but the audio often feels "empty". I'm sure a professional would know what it is and fix it.
- I can't say anything about VoDs, because I didn't pay for them, but from hearsay they only offer 1080p which is really bad for people with bad connections. I think a lof of the people who buy VoD passes do it because their connection is too bad to watch live. They also seem to take a lot of time uploading and some VoDs are missing entirely.
- They prerecord stuff, but don't cut out mistakes and awkward transitions
- The casting setup online and offline doesnt look good. Do something fancy with your greenscreen, it's prerecorded anyways. The "desk" they cast at looks pretty cheap.

Like the production crew, the casters are amateurs too (incontrol a lot less than gretorp). Both are great guys and i like them and what they do outside of NASL, but gretorp especially should not be a "professional" caster. Look at GSL, they tried out some casters and found good ones (Wolf, DoA - I like qxc and unstable too). I hope NASL sees this and hires someone better. Doesn't have to be someone famous, just better.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 12 2011 11:50 GMT
#223
Seeing some answers in this thread, you definatly need to add an option to the poll:
"I bought season 1, watched the first week and never watched again, so i don't know what i'm talking about but i still think it's not worth it."

I bought the ticket and while the first 1-2 weeks had some problems, NASL became quite solid over then next weeks. Even j.tv service for EU improved a lot, allowing me to often watch it live in 1080p (it's not something that is really NASLs fault, but it was still a problem with NASL for many in EU).

I can understand that someone who stopped watching after week 1 could think that NASL isn't worth the money, but if you followed it longer it's a totally different story. NASL is the tournament of improvement, everything they do starts horribly bad but quickly becomes something good.
NASL had some of the best games i have seen in SC2 history (not even considering the finals), a lot different to the cheesefest in GSL.

For the above poster:

VODs only in 1080p is a problem with j.tv and they are working on it. They are also uploading the VODs shortly after the EU re-broadcast, which might seem like a long time for some people, but for me it never was a concern (and i watched the VODs quite often because i often missed the broadcast for various reasons (i.e. too busy playing and forgetting about the time)).

Skype casts were only done with a few guest casters and only the first skype cast (Khaldor) sounded horrible, the ones after that (TotalBiscuit, CatsPajamas (spelling?), etc.) were perfectly fine.

Sound was also a lot better after the first 1-3 weeks, there was sometimes still a glitch (quite rare), but if you talk about bad sound quality, i somehow doubt you watched NASL after week 1...
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
July 12 2011 12:08 GMT
#224
On July 12 2011 20:50 Morfildur wrote:
Seeing some answers in this thread, you definatly need to add an option to the poll:
"I bought season 1, watched the first week and never watched again, so i don't know what i'm talking about but i still think it's not worth it."

I bought the ticket and while the first 1-2 weeks had some problems, NASL became quite solid over then next weeks. Even j.tv service for EU improved a lot, allowing me to often watch it live in 1080p (it's not something that is really NASLs fault, but it was still a problem with NASL for many in EU).

I can understand that someone who stopped watching after week 1 could think that NASL isn't worth the money, but if you followed it longer it's a totally different story. NASL is the tournament of improvement, everything they do starts horribly bad but quickly becomes something good.
NASL had some of the best games i have seen in SC2 history (not even considering the finals), a lot different to the cheesefest in GSL.

For the above poster:

VODs only in 1080p is a problem with j.tv and they are working on it. They are also uploading the VODs shortly after the EU re-broadcast, which might seem like a long time for some people, but for me it never was a concern (and i watched the VODs quite often because i often missed the broadcast for various reasons (i.e. too busy playing and forgetting about the time)).

Skype casts were only done with a few guest casters and only the first skype cast (Khaldor) sounded horrible, the ones after that (TotalBiscuit, CatsPajamas (spelling?), etc.) were perfectly fine.

Sound was also a lot better after the first 1-3 weeks, there was sometimes still a glitch (quite rare), but if you talk about bad sound quality, i somehow doubt you watched NASL after week 1...


Agree with most of your points but that doesnt change how some of us feel. I don't watch JTV vods ever because I can't turn it down. I can handle it sure, but the bandwidth usage is huge.

The sound was never truly fixed and has always been heavily mixed to the left side or right side. Perhaps its only because I own a pair of fairly high end headphones but I notice a lot of problems. I notice issues with youtube video audio mixing even, Though on youtube I'm ok with the audio problems, I am not with NASL.

Its not the 25 bucks, its the promise behind the NASL and the lack of ability to deliver. In conjunction with this is HoN. I do not feel they should start doing HoN (at least not yet). They have more to worry about at the NASL than what game to add next. Perhaps if they had a solid showing Season 1 I would be ok with it but seriously the production was crap. And as far as a "televised" product goes you cannot charge people to watch and say hey look we are awesome and have crap production.

Work out the problems, create a branch off HoN league and have the NASL enterprise expand with some sory of HoN league but don't add HoN to the NASL without first getting something as simple (yes, simple) as audio mixing down.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 12 2011 16:35 GMT
#225
I didn't buy season 1 and won't buy season 2. I only have limited time to watch sc2 and I think gsl is more enjoyable.

Live offline event, great production, great casters and best players. Prefer that over an online event any day.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
July 12 2011 16:57 GMT
#226
There are far too many well produced free streams/tournaments/events going on that I'd ever fork out money for watching something that's the same but simply with price tag. Goes for GSL, goes for NASL. Goes especially for MLGs.

Personally don't understand the attitude that I'd have to reach to my wallet to support the mythical esport by paying everything on the internet that dares to ask it if they show up on google search for sc2. I'll support it by tuning in to streams that show quality product in my opinion. I don't care if it's not super duper HD. If that's not enough, then well that's too bad. Still seem to find more free streams than I could ever hope to follow.
King of Kings
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany481 Posts
July 12 2011 17:05 GMT
#227
As you saw with PuMa, the long season absolutly doesn't matter! So until the NASL changes their tournament format, nearly no one will watch it.
The Finals were pretty OK, except of the long breaks.
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Macibax
Profile Joined March 2011
33 Posts
July 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#228
The NASL had way too many games, so it got old really fast for me. I found it really boring except for the finals.
bbulzibar
Profile Joined June 2010
United States80 Posts
July 12 2011 17:21 GMT
#229
I bought season 1 to support esports, and this fantastic idea of an actual league in NA! I was dissapointed with season 1, but will buy season 2 anyway, because I still want to support them and see them succeed.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
July 12 2011 17:27 GMT
#230
Maybe if they improve the VOD section. I rarely have time to watch live so that is the most improtant thing I think. The quality of players will greatly increase this season since we have a lot of new blood pouring in.
pwnopotamus
Profile Joined July 2011
United States70 Posts
July 12 2011 17:32 GMT
#231
I bought a season 1 pass, and I also just paid for season 2. $20 (after discount) for full 1080p HD VODs and casts for four months, including the playoffs and finals, is a pretty amazing deal! Compare that to paying $10 for a weekend at MLG...it really doesn't even compare really. (That being said, I watch/pay for everything, including GSL, GSTL, NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, etc...)

The video quality of NASL trumps anything else out there, although the VOD setup definitely needs to be improved. The sheer amount of games dwarfs any other competitor at the moment, so the entertainment value you're getting out of the $20-$25 is incredible. While the season may be long, and some of the games have less hype around them than a single elimination tournament would, I actually prefer it that way. I like the idea of having a REAL season. Of course MLG, GSL and Dreamhack are going to be more exciting overall than NASL. It's like comparing watching the NBA playoffs vs. watching the regular season. You know the Lakers are making it to the playoffs...watching the regular season is really just watching for individual player performances. There's a lot less drama during the regular season, but I still enjoy watching the games play out.

With that said, $20 for HD access to just the playoffs and finals would still be a great deal. Pony up the bucks, folks. It's about the cost of decent dinner or a couple beers at a bar for 4 months of amazing Starcraft content.
DuckS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
July 12 2011 17:35 GMT
#232
I wanted to buy season one but decided not to. Now see a good reason not to buy season 2. Maybe 3, if they fix their stuff in 2.
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InvictusFTW
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States17 Posts
July 12 2011 17:35 GMT
#233
I think the NASL was horrible at first, but I still enjoyed it because of the excitement of having a foreign Starleague that I could watch every day on a decent sleep schedule. Over the time NASL Season 1 was broadcasting though I think they improved in every aspect except VoDs. That's my biggest complaint now.
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pwnopotamus
Profile Joined July 2011
United States70 Posts
July 12 2011 17:36 GMT
#234
For the people that say the regular season doesn't matter and there's no point in watching it... Don't you enjoy just watching good Starcraft matches? Do you not watch player streams from time to time? Does every match you watch have to have prize money and elimination on the line?

I know I get excited if I'm watching Idra's stream and he gets paired up with another top level player on the ladder. Now imagine if that player was oGsMC...and they got paired up for 3 games in a row! Now imagine that in HD instead of crappy 240p/360p stream quality. Yea...that happens, like...25 times a week for 4 months.
bakesale
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States187 Posts
July 12 2011 17:44 GMT
#235
Bought S1 and was a little disappointed (for the reasons that have been beaten to death by now, particularly the bad VOD organization-- Hotbid's NASL VOD thread was a lifesaver), but I still think it was a good value. $25 is almost nothing for that much content. I'll buy S2.
Maitolasi
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland441 Posts
July 12 2011 17:47 GMT
#236
On July 13 2011 02:36 pwnopotamus wrote:
For the people that say the regular season doesn't matter and there's no point in watching it... Don't you enjoy just watching good Starcraft matches? Do you not watch player streams from time to time? Does every match you watch have to have prize money and elimination on the line?

I know I get excited if I'm watching Idra's stream and he gets paired up with another top level player on the ladder. Now imagine if that player was oGsMC...and they got paired up for 3 games in a row! Now imagine that in HD instead of crappy 240p/360p stream quality. Yea...that happens, like...25 times a week for 4 months.


But why would I pay for the HD when there's plenty of free HD content of the top players around? Like you said I can watch a top players stream, download their replays or watch them casted at Youtube for no price at all. Also the fact that there's no price money or elimination on the line makes them no different from a ladder game to me.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 12 2011 17:49 GMT
#237
On July 13 2011 02:36 pwnopotamus wrote:
For the people that say the regular season doesn't matter and there's no point in watching it... Don't you enjoy just watching good Starcraft matches? Do you not watch player streams from time to time? Does every match you watch have to have prize money and elimination on the line?

I know I get excited if I'm watching Idra's stream and he gets paired up with another top level player on the ladder. Now imagine if that player was oGsMC...and they got paired up for 3 games in a row! Now imagine that in HD instead of crappy 240p/360p stream quality. Yea...that happens, like...25 times a week for 4 months.


Yes. No. Yes.

Things are quite a ways different when money is on the line. Been unsatisfied with random ladder games a long time ago.
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fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
July 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#238
Good games, bad everything else pretty much : / The vod access is horrible, and website layout is pretty damn confusing. I realize they did a lot to help improve the games, working on casters, and other issues with the broadcasts, but I still think the production on everything, website and the information access, is something that needs to looked at in depth.

If you look at the way GSL has set up their website and VOD access and NASL's the dropoff is painful. GSL results and statistics are easy to access and always up to date. The VODS are laid outed simply and concisely, properly edited and cut. The graphics and videos look very clean and professional. I think this is what NASL should aim for. I don't think it's much to ask for, and I think easily within NASL's power to employ a professional full time web team dedicated to making this a reality.

If they can do this I would consider re upping. Otherwise I would rather spend my money elsewhere.
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StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 17:54:54
July 12 2011 17:53 GMT
#239
Reasons NOT to buy Season 2:

1) Amateur mods run an amateur chat. I consider the chat to be part of the NASL experience. The mods are not professional and I expect professional mods, given that I am paying $25.

NASL permanently banned a number of customers for the entire season for complaining about various issues. Permanently banning customers for complaining about the quality of service and the quality of the product? Say bye bye to alot of paying customers.

2) NASL ignored all my e-mails. How is that for customer service?

3) Stream issues throughout the season.

4) Audio issues throughout the season.

5) Poor production quality

6) Poor caster choice

7) Disorganized VOD system

8) VODs are not spoiler free
aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
July 12 2011 18:06 GMT
#240
the league format is boring else i would buy a pass for the VoDs...my internet cant handle more than 360p streams anyways
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