Puma two rax bunker rushes Ret, Ret mistangingly lets the first bunker finish. Puma even manages to get a second bunker up, is able to kill Ret's spine crawler and that's the game.
Ret: 1/5 Puma: 4/5
Game Two: - 2/5
Puma > Ret
Ret opens pool before hatch, most likely due to intimidation from the last game (those Koreans know how to two rax real good). Ret is unable to handle Puma's reactor hellions efficiently, meaning that the banshee follow up continues to do even more damage to Ret. Ret barely holds Puma's marine tank follow up, pulling drones in the process. After Puma shuts down Ret's counter attack, Puma is able to just 1a and take the game
Squirtle goes for a Nexus first and Sheth responds by grabbing a super fast third base. Both players macro up, with Sheth relying on roach ling and Squirtle going for a 6 gate robo all in. Sheth needs either hydralisks or superb positioning to hold that all in, and ended up with neither, forcing his gg.
Sheth: 2/5 Squirtle: 4/5
Game Two:
Squirtle > Sheth - 4/5
Squirtle one gate expands while Sheth does a standard speedling expand. Squirtle does a neat little poke against Sheth with four gateways and hallucinating stalkers to help soak up speedling damage. Sheth loses his hidden gold third base to the timing attack. Sheth barely holds that attack at all with reinforcement roaches, and the game goes on. Squirtle adds on gateways while grabbing his third base. Sheth transitions into a muta ling roach midgame while re expanding to the gold third base that he had lost earlier.
Sheth makes a great engagement against Squirtle's spread out army while getting infestors and banelings out. Squirtle survives and begins a dark templar transition. Sheth loses a lot of drones as well as his fourth base to some dark templar. Sheth is incentivized to attack upon spotting a fourth base. Sheth does some amazing army splitting to take out nearly all of Squirtle's economy, leaving only the army to deal with. Sheth goes for an engagement in a terrible position, losing everything to psionic storms. Sheth basically gave up his advantage with that engagement, both players arenow somewhat even. The final engagement begins 10 minutes later, and Sheth walks all of his infestors in to get hit by feedback. After that, the game is over.
Sheth: 3/5 – gave up his huge lead Squirtle: 4/5 – comeback kid
Morrow goes for a reactor hellion expand and it does some decent damage, but nothing too extravagent. July gets mutalisks out with perfect timing (right before turrets are up) and they do some great damage early on, allowing July to drone like crazy behind it. July goes for a huge bust as Morrow is securing his third. July is able to kill off the tanks in the bust, and only marines remain. This allows his follow up attack of 40 banelings to take out the gold base before it completes. A huge zergling run by is able to do even more economic damage to Morrow's natural. July is able to stall out Morrow's push long enough with his great muta harass to shut down his third base again while morphing broodlords. Morrow can't keep up with July economically at this point, and after July deals with the army of Morrow, Morrow is forced to gg
Morrow: 3/5
July: 4/5
Game Two: - 4/5
Morrow goes for a one barracks fast expand while July gears up for a two base baneling bust. July uses some great positioning to distract Morrow's marines while moving up his ramp with banelings. The banelings do some great damage but not enough to kill Morrow. A few minutes later, as morrow is deciding to move out, July gets a huge burrowed baneling hit off and kills a bunch of Morrow's marines. July decides to attack after that, but Morrow is able to easily hold with vastly superior positioning. July is able to to use counter attacks to stall until broodlord, infestor, zergling is out (yes he literally is capable of harassing so hard that he can stall a push until his tier three is out). With that composition out, July is able to easily take apart Morrow's low tech army for the victory.
HasuObs one gate expands while Moon prepares for a big army of +1 speedlings and roaches to hold his fast taking of the gold base. Moon is able to follow up with some roach hydra play to catch Obs out of position and kill a lot of sentries for free. Moon then gets a huge roach hydra surround, doing some major damage with awesome positioning. Moon is able to cripple Obs' economy enough to force the attack as Moon morphs over 100 banelings to defend. Banelings kill everything that is left of Obs' army and takes the game.
Game One: - 2/5 - Sen found out how to abuse Zenio's build, and did so.
Zenio opens hatch first into ling baneling, taking a very small and temporary lead over Sen through superior micro. Zenio uses that small lead to go for a big two base speedling roach attack that Sen just can't quite hold after his early losses to banelings.
Sen: 2/5 Zenio: 3/5
Game Two: - 3/5
Zenio and Sen open speedling expand, but Zenio opens ling baneling into roach while Sen opens roach into ling baneling. Sen makes the smart decision to punish Zenio's ordering and does a two base roach speedling attack and takes the game.
Sen: 3/5
Zenio: 2/5
Game Three: - 3/5
Both players hatch first and drone like crazy due to the amount of scouting that close air positions allows for ZvZ. Zenio goes baneling while Sen goes roach. Sen is able to punish Zenio's delayed roaches again with the same timing as last game.
Darkforce holds Alive's two barracks expand, but it's nail bitingly close on multiple occasions. Alive follows up with some fantastic multi pronged attacks that are able to kill even more drones. Alive follows up with another push and ends the game after Darkforce has lost too many drones to Alive's multitasking.
Alive: 4/5
Darkforce: 2/5
Game Two: - 4/5
Alive opens with another bunker rush which Darkforce manages to shut down with near minimal losses. Darkforce barely gets enough zerglings and banelings out in time to crush Alive's follow up timing attack, regaining control of this game. Alive does do some good damage with another nice drop, but it doesn't make up for the number that DarkForce has shut down. Darkforce is able to shut down the rest of Alive's marine tank pushes. Alive gets an extremely late third base, desperate for income. At this point, neither player attacks, content to just macro up to their preferred late game compositions – Marine tank viking vs. infestor ling broodlord. Neither player can quite kill eachother, both trying counter attacks and drops, as well as straight up engagements. DarkForce finally wins the economic war, as Alive is mined out of all of his bases and forced to gg.
Alive: 4/5
DarkForce: 5/5
Game Three: - 5/5
Alive goes for a two factory reactor hellion into expand build. DarkForce loses a lot of drones and zerglings to the unusual build, putting Alive a little bit ahead. Darkforce goes for a small counter attack, but doesn't do much damage. Both players macro up to third bases, and Darkforce comes out with a brilliantly timed and controlled engagement, wiping out Alive's entire army. After the engagement, both players macro up just like last game, and Darkforce is able to continuously deny Alive's sixth base. Darkforce comes out ahead with better control.
White-Ra goes for a very greedy dark templar rush, even getting a robotics while expanding. Select just goes for a two barracks expand, White-ra misses the essential forcefield, and Select is able to just take the game, using scans to take out warping in DT
Select: 4/5
White-ra: 2/5
Game Two: - 4/5
White-ra opens with some fast sentries and loses both for free putting due to some great micro from Select, putting White-ra behind. White-ra goes to take out Select's hidden gold base and the armies engage. White-ra engages with some poor forcefields that do more harm than good. After the engagement, Select is far ahead in army and economy. White-ra makes a smart decision to sneak around Select's army into his main, but Select has too many units and is able to demolish White-ra's army for the win.
MC, probably suspecting a two rax expand, decides to go for a three gate void ray attack. Boxer does indeed go for the two barracks expand, and MC uses some terrifyingly good micro to devestate Boxer's army and take the game.
Boxer: 4/5
MC: 4/5
Game Two: - 4/5 battle of macro vs. micro
MC goes for a one gate fast expand and Boxer goes for a one barracks fast expand. MC follows up with an interesting six warpgate, with charge zealots and dark templar. Despite Boxer's superior army composition of marine maurader ghost medivac against pure gateway, MC's macro is just better than Boxer's. Despite Boxer nearly winning for the final 5 minutes of the game, Boxer doesn’t quite have enough to keep up with MC and his superior economy, and in a few minutes, MC is able to attack and win.
MC: 4/5
Boxer: 4/5
Day Two:
The Good Game Three is Really Good:PuMa vs. Squirtle
Puma goes for a one base marine tank push, pulling SCVs to make it all in. Squirtle has an expansion up, 4 gateways, and a robo. But in a critical mistake his immortal is stuck between gateways and his pylon. Puma controls the attack incredibly well, able to take the game from Squirtle.
Squirtle: 2/5
Puma: 4/5
Game Two: - 3/5
Puma one rax fast expands while Squirtle does a one gate fast expand. Squirtle goes for a six gate, with the proxy pylon barely being spotted by Puma, able to delay the attack. Puma is able to scout the six gate and gets four bunkers, but with a medivac full of marines busy dropping, Puma doesn't have enough to hold.
Squirtle: 2/5 Puma: 2/5
Game Three: - 5/5
Squirtle opens with a dark templar expand and Puma just does the perfect storm of mistakes to let the Dts in. A drop does some okay damage while the Dts rip apart Puma's main. Squirtle is way ahead after the opening but Puma executes a beautiful two pronged attack that does enough damage for Puma to pull ahead. Puma continues some great drop play to continue his advantage. Puma gets overzealous and goes for an attack too early, losing everything in some terrible positioning.
Puma uses some fantastic drop play to take a worker lead but loses everything at the front of his base and his natural to Squirtle's attack. Puma is able to make a brilliantly controlled hold as well as keep his essential third base up. After the attack fails, the drops leave Squirtle's economy in shambles, and after Puma beats Squirtle's final attack, he takes the game.
July opens with a 10 pool while Moon goes for the standard 14 gas 14 pool. Moon is greedy, squeezing in and extra drone, and because of that loses his queen. July follows up with roaches while Moon follows up with banelings. Moon makes some nice attempts to hurt July's economy with banelings, but July takes almost no damage with amazing micro. July has enough roaches with +1 and moves cross map. Moon was very greedy with a huge drone count, and despite a huge baneling count, Moon can't hold July's push.
July: 4/5 Moon: 2/5
Game Two: - 3/5
Both players go hatch first and Moon goes baneling while July goes roaches. Moon does some okay damage but July holds with roaches...for now. July loses extra drones as banelings sneak into his main base. July has a tech advantage while Moon has a small economy advantage. Moon again over drones after the pressure is over, July hits the same timing as last game and takes the game.
DarkForce goes for a 10 pool against the greediest possible opening of Sen, 15 hatch, 16 gas, 15 pool. Sen is forced to cancel the hatch and uses some nice drone control to hold. Darkforce follows up with banelings as does Sen, Sen's just a little later than DarkForce's. Sen uses double queens to hold his ramp while morphing banelings of his own. Darkforce goes for a big +1 weapon roach push, but Sen executes a brilliant hold, ending with higher drone count than his opponent as well as a third base. Sen executes his push brilliantly, taking out DarkForce.
Sen: 4/5 DarkForce: 3/5
Game Two: - 2/5
Both players go hatch first, with Sen's build being a little big more efficient than DarkForce's. DarkForce plants down a baneling nest. Sen goes for some speedling agression, and loses too many zerglings to one baneling to hold the baneling attack. The Queens are seconds late to block the ramp, forcing Sen to gg.
Select goes for a unique reaper into two barracks expand, and brilliantly detects that MC has something hidden by judging the small unit count at MC's front. Select holds MC's DT opening, taking no damage as both players expansions end up completing at about the same time. Select goes for a nice ghost medivac timing, that probably would have killed any lesser player but MC executes a fantastic hold. Select has built a third base behind his attack, meaning he's not out yet. MC goes and attacks the third base of Select, Select barely doesn't have enough units to hold the attack though and is forced to gg.
MC: 4/5 No idea how he held Select's timing Select: 3/5
Game Two: - 4/5
Select goes for a one barracks double expand while MC is one gate expanding. Despite his fast third base, he's not able to use it too much as MC's macro proves to be superior. Select barely holds MC's big zealot phoenix attack (yes Zealot Phoenix) as MC follows up making more gateways and phoenixes. Select goes for another push and is on the edge of victory as a single good storm tips the scales. Select transitions into pure marine ghost, meaning that when a storm gets off, it hits hard. MC nearly wins, but Select again barely holds. Select continues barely holding on until eventually the pressure and economy of MC is too much, and he is forced to gg.
Puma opens gas first and July hatch first. Puma's reactor hellions do some decent damage and Puma follows up with a banshee to keep map control while expanding. July uses some very nice control to hold a big hellion banshee timing while Puma expands and transitions into standard marine tank. July's counter attack does some nice damage while his spire and third base are under construction.
July does a great job holding Puma back while getting up to over 70 drones. July holds the attack at the front of his base while hitting a huge counter attack, forcing Puma to gg.
July: 5/5 Puma: 3/5
Game Two: - 2/5
July goes hatchery first while Puma goes two factory reactor and masses up hellions. July is completely unprepared, with only a few lings and a single spine crawler for defense. Puma is able to waltz in and easily take the game.
July: 3/5
Puma: 3/5
Game Three: - 4/5
July Zerg opens with a hatch first and Puma goes for blue flame hellions. The blue flames do some very nice damage (40 drones) despite July going roach. July does drone like fiend regardless, still pulling ahead in economy until Puma's huge tank count secures the gold base for him. July's food is too tied up in roaches, so July goes in to attack and Puma shuts it down well enough to force the gg from July.
July: 3/5
Puma: 5/5
Game Four: - 4/5
July scouts Puma's double 11 barracks opening and so makes the right decision to speedling expand. July makes a critical mistake trying to inch by Puma's early marines and ends up losing way too much as a result. Puma's opening does some great damage and puts July way behind . Puma moves cross map with a big number of marines off of three barracks as July's ling numbers explode just in time to clean up all of the marines, shifting the balance back in his favor.
Puma moves out with a big two base attack as July's mutas pop. July barely holds the attack with some great battle micro. July again barely holds Puma's attack, but the follow up reinforcements are more than July can deal with and he is forced to gg.
Sen goes for a pool expand and MC goes for a standard forge fast expand. MC follows up with his signature immediate stargate and void ray and Sen grabs a fast third. Sen barely holds the third from MC's air harass to cheers from the crowd. Sen rushes for infestors and hydralisks and MC goes for an interesting timing with phoenix and zealots that manage to kill off Sen's army despite nice fungals. MC gets his third base up while teching to high templar. Sen transitions into ling baneling infestor to deal with MC's army, the battle will essentially come down to positioning and micro. MC comes out ahead in the battle with some fantastic storms. MC uses a great proxy pylon to immediately put pressure back on his opponent, and Sen simply can't defend with the small number of units he has reamaing.
MC: 5/5
Sen: 4/5
Game Two: - 5/5
MC goes for a one gate expand into stargate after losing an initial stalker to some speed zerglings. MC's able to do some nice damage with his stargate harass while teching up to colossus. MC uses some great micro to take out Sen's initial army, but Sen has reinforcements to take out MC's huge two base army. MC is forced to be all in, with no army and no third base, and Sen takes the game with constant reinforcements.
MC: 3/5
Sen: 5/5
Game Three: - 3/5
Sen speedling expands while MC does his three zealot early game timing. Sen defends the attack, only losing health on his hatchery and a few zerglings killing the zealots. MC follows up with dark templar tech while Sen continues making lings to secure his third base. Sen uses spore crawlers to easily defend the dark templar harass and MC adds on production, getting up to five gateways and a robo, looking to expand.
Sen goes for a huge ling baenling roach infestor attack, taking out MC's third base. Sen has enough units to crush MC's army and force the gg.
Sen: 4/5 MC: 2/5
Game Four: - 5/5
Both players go for early expands, content to macro up. MC does his stargate opening, with MC losing a void ray and Sen losing two queens. MC follows up with phoenix's for harassment while getting a third base. Sen goes for the unconventional follow up of corrupters and mutalisks. MC gears up for a huge gateway push to try and punish Sen for going mutalisk. MC handles the split up army of Sen perfectly and goes for the counter attack. Sen uses a ridiculous number of spine crawlers to defend while getting a bunch of zerglings and banelings. Sen sacks banelings onto MC's third base and MC counter pushes, nearly winning the game. Sen barely holds the big attack with some last minute infestors.
MC makes a great colossus transition but broodlords are out for Sen. Sen is able to delay, and has 7 bases while MC is trying to hold his fourth. MC finally throws down a fifth base, and has a chance to win if he can get it up. Sen masses up broodlords, but doesn't have much supply for corrupters, meaning that MC's hidden voids have a huge advantage. The surprise void rays are enough to kill off all of Sen's broodlords. MC goes base hunting as good fungals are able to kill off nearly all of MC's void rays. At that point it doesn't matter, as Sen has one base remaining and MC is able to macro up a huge ground army and take the game.
Sen: 4/5
MC: 5/5
Game Five: - 5/5
MC goes for a one gate expand while Sen does his typical speedling expand and drones up. Sen denies MC's air follow up flawlessly while grabbing his third. MC also grabs a very fast third base with a huge sentry count. Sen drones up to over 100 drones while building more infestors and taking the map. MC has macrod up a large army of stalkers and colossus. Sen has a terrible engagement, losing a large portion of his army. MC uses some fantastic micro to come out ahead in the major battle and kill off a large portion of Sen's economy. MC macro's up a larger army than Sen and is able to take the game
Day9 and Tasteless, the ingredients of E-sport success
5 minutes with Xeris
A short interview with the Fnatics manager, Xeris, immediately after the ro16 match of Fnatics.Sen vs oGs.Zenio.
How do you feel right now?
I am happy. I am more than his manager - I am Sen's friend - and I am simply happy for him.
Who you do you prefer for him to face in the round of 8?
I prefer aTn.DarKFoRcE because I want Sen to win. TSL_aLive would be a very skilled and difficult adversary to face.
Can Sen win the whole deal?
Sen can win. He is overdue for a win and I think he can win this one.
Meet the Press
Everyone who is anyone in E-sports are here to show NASL their support. The following is an incomplete list of media and production that have sent representatives to the first NASL Finals.
Mary Ratliff and Diana from Nine Hour Films are on location to shoot footage for the documentary Good Game. Good Game (working title) is a player-focused E-sports documentary that tells the story of this fledging sport as it develops. Started last October with its base at Washington DC, Nine Hour Films will have a full crew on location recording for all three days of the NASL finals.
Christ Culp of StarNation booked a last minute flight to cover the event. Players' interviews, crowd shoots, and behind-the-scene footage from the NASL finals are just part of what they wish to add to this popular documentary. Coming up, StarNation will be attending rest of the 2011 MLG circuit, as well as taking two cross country road-trips to visit the pro-houses. In a TL exclusive, Justin announced that StarNation has partnered with a to-be-announced, veteran production company, so that they can do E-sports justice.
PC Gamers Magazine
Chris aka “WhataWookiee”, a freelance writer for PCGamer's Backspace column is here doing research.
Neal "Koibu0", the man behind sc2ratings, dropped by to offer help for NASL's VOD setup. Perhaps we will finally see a tournament website with a working rating system in the future?
The UnderlineENT crew enjoyed themselves before Sunday, when Underline Entertainment featuring Anna will be performing their popular "OVERRUN THIS TOWN" live on stage. Eric, the lead engineer of UnderlineENT, made a cryptic announcement that iNcontroL will soon be announcing an new announcement with UnderENT”.
TheGunRun and his Justin.tv buddies are here in their own sponsor's booth to promote the new www.twitch.tv E-sports IPTV brand, as well as providing emergency on-site tech assistance in the unlikely circumstance of a catastrophic failure.
AshJoshy and his trusty steadycam will provide his unique brand of videologs of the on the ground going-ons in the venue.
Loranzo, Tom, Dan
Loranzo, Tom, and Dan are creating an yet-to-be-announced build order audio guide, where pro-gamers and casters will be teaching you exactly how to play StarCraft like they do. They have also been busy making player interviews, expects to see them on Youtube soon!
Moletrap announces a major announcement coming in the near future.
Prima's shakycam crowd reactions, day 1
Crowd at the end of DarKFoRcE vs aLive The crowds went wild at the end of aTn.DarKFoRcE vs TSL_aLive on The Shattered Temple.
Crowd reaction at the end of Sen vs Zenio An ectasic crowd cheers on their Foreigner hero Sen, whom became the first foreigner player to beat a Korean after Koreans' combined 0-8 record in day 1 of NASL finals.
Crowd reactions at the end of BoxeR vs MC It is one to midnight, production is two hours behind schedule, but the crowd has not thinned nor enthusism stiffled. E-Sport lives here.
Crowd reacts to "Obama-Protoss" MC, always the showman, delivers what pleases the crowd.
Crowds entering the venue Day 1
Hard talk with Russalo (pt 1)
TeamLiquid wants to know, what happened this morning?
Last night, the rightmost projector suffered a catastrophic failure. We immediately overnight a replacement that arrived first thing in this morning. Installation took extensive time and thus caused a hour delay to the premiere. Additionally, this last minute projector replacement meant we did not have an opportunity to extensively test the projection system. As it turns out, the venue projection fails to hook up to the stream output. As a last minute solution we placed the stream system on follow to the stream observer. There are feedbacks regarding this caused jerky camera motion, so we changed to a dedicated observer for rest of the cast.
How will NASL fix it for the rest of the finals? The tech crew will spent tonight making extensive testing to readjust the camera, projection, sound, and streaming system are optimal. We'll also shut down the system during the one-hour break to see if there are any short term solutions to resolve the existing problems.
Additionally, we will be working with the on-site Justin.tv staffs to optimize the stream quality, with an emphasize on resolving any possible sound distortion.
What is NASL doing to ensure this won't happen next time?
With this painful experience under our belt, there will not be a failure next time.
Photos, day 1
ANTICIPATION IS IN THE AIR as hundreds of E-sports fans wait impatiently outside Exhibit Hall B. Using my “TeamLiquid Writer” credentials, I was able to make off with a VIP pass from ticketing and sneak in the venue before NASL officially kick off its inaugural season Grand Finals.
Center Stage The news we all been waiting for – NASL has player booths! These are not cardboard or plywood boxes, but lined with actual, studio quality sound insulation. A tad cramp though!
The booths have arrived
Casters' desk anchors the giant stage with booths sit in the wings
Booth interiors
It is rather cozy
Sponsors Beyond Gaming, ThermalTake, Sports, CSN, and Justin.tv all came to show their support for NASL's first LAN event.
Beyond Gaming is a social gaming network where gamers can play their favorite Xbox 360, Playstation 3 and PC games to earn great rewards. Their staffs will be showcasting their newest product, a multi-genre tournament portal for competitive sports.
Beyong Gaming staff poising in front of their HoN testing stations.
If you are here for free stuff, crowd around Tt eSPORTS. ThermalTake will provide give-aways throughout this weekend of the very gears powering the sponsor stations. Weller, the Tt eSPORTS rep, predicts White-Ra to take home $50,000, rather than siding with his countryman, Sen.
Justin.tv, Twitch.tv and CSN are also here for the fun.
Player Lounge The following are a sneak peak into the exclusive player lounge.
Players and casters enjoying each other's company
Xeris coaching Sen for his upcoming match
Gretorp misses Sen very, very much
Sen does not return his affection
BOXER!
Sen spying on MorroW with an cameo from Artosis
Boxer and Dizzy (from WellPlayed)
Joshy is 6-foot 3 inches
Drewbie is even taller
Koreans are stealing our money
Crowds Unfortunately, technical difficulties marred this day. A last minute projector failure meant brand new replacements needs to be rushed in and hoisted back in the air. Despite 27 hours of stream testing, various sound and video issues resurfaced as NASL's constant nemesis. The live crowd, however, has been extraordinarily considerate and patient. Enthusiasm remain high as all pray for a successful event. Good luck, NASL!
watching this is absolutely painful. I mean i simply do not understand why they would not test the sound, and do a test run through everything before hand- everything was so awkward and just not professional at all. It seems as if NASL production crew is completely unprepared. I would have thought the live setup would be well done atleast.
Can we get you guys to turn off the smart camera pan, it makes everything all weird when you try and click on the mini map. To put it bluntly: sucks for obs'ing. I'm sure it's an honest mistake please fix thanks!
This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
On July 09 2011 05:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Oh man. If Season 2 isn't a hell of a lot better I don't think we'll see a season 3.
Worst case scenario though I'm sure it will get better
They have 27 million total views, so i am pretty sure this can flop and they will be fine. Also, they already paid for season three, their sponsor pre paid for seasons 1-3.
Lots of areas to improve on thats for sure. First of all, those booths need to be larger so players can actually breath while they play. Those things are like coffins with windows. Secondly, that interview I saw was horrible... I dont think I heard anything from anyone.
On the bright side they're some good matches to be played!
i tried watching the NASL but the smart camera pan gave me a headache
I also only got sound through the right side of my headphones when listening to NASL, even though it worked on both sides for the add directly before it and for Pandora etc.... prob also helped to give me a headache.
If you dont like it.. Dont watch, is it that hard?
Personally, I feel that this obviously isnt the best tournament ever. But I watch to see good SC2 gameplay, not to be wow'd by production quality, so Im fine.
On July 09 2011 06:04 MinimalistSC2 wrote: i tried watching the NASL but the smart camera pan gave me a headache
I also only got sound through the right side of my headphones when listening to NASL, even though it worked on both sides for the add directly before it and for Pandora etc.... prob also helped to give me a headache.
try different browsers. I had the same problem with ie8 but no problems with chrome
On July 09 2011 06:07 SCJethro wrote: Wow, so much complaining.
If you dont like it.. Dont watch, is it that hard?
Personally, I feel that this obviously isnt the best tournament ever. But I watch to see good SC2 gameplay, not to be wow'd by production quality, so Im fine.
Some people that are complaining have paid for it... I don't think they want to be told to just "not watch it"
Also, some of the criticism is with the obsing qnd the sound, so even if the games are good, we can't really appreciate them as we should.
On July 09 2011 06:07 SCJethro wrote: Wow, so much complaining.
If you dont like it.. Dont watch, is it that hard?
Personally, I feel that this obviously isnt the best tournament ever. But I watch to see good SC2 gameplay, not to be wow'd by production quality, so Im fine.
Some people that are complaining have paid for it... I don't think they want to be told to just "not watch it"
Also, some of the criticism is with the obsing qnd the sound, so even if the games are good, we can't really appreciate them as we should.
I forget people pay for this stuff. I guess i'd be pissed if I paid. But I think thats the only validation of complaining, and I doubt all the complainers are paying customers.
I just don't understand, 100k prize pool, which is several times that of MLG, but production quality is several times worse. You can't just slap a huge prize pool on an event and expect that alone to carry it. You have to scale up the production along with it. MLG has shown that you can have a phenomenal event that is carried on production quality and fan atmosphere, even if it doesn't have an absolutely huge prize pool.
Hopefully the difference between NASL season 1 and 2 will be comparable to the difference between Dallas and Columbus. We can only hope, really want this league to be awesome but....
On July 09 2011 06:13 Rasun wrote: I just don't understand, 100k prize pool, which is several times that of MLG, but production quality is several times worse. You can't just slap a huge prize pool on an event and expect that alone to carry it. You have to scale up the production along with it. MLG has shown that you can have a phenomenal event that is carried on production quality and fan atmosphere, even if it doesn't have an absolutely huge prize pool.
Hopefully the difference between NASL season 1 and 2 will be comparable to the difference between Dallas and Columbus. We can only hope, really want this league to be awesome but....
Edit: and yes I paid my $25 for Season 1.
Such a improvement would certainly be awesome. And yea, the fact that the prize pool is so large and yet the production is lesser is somewhat puzzling. The only thing I can think of is simply experience. Namely, MLG has been around for years and NASL obviously not.
On July 09 2011 06:07 SCJethro wrote: Wow, so much complaining.
If you dont like it.. Dont watch, is it that hard?
Personally, I feel that this obviously isnt the best tournament ever. But I watch to see good SC2 gameplay, not to be wow'd by production quality, so Im fine.
Just like the regular season got better as it went on, I'm sure the finals will get better over the next few days, and Way better next season. I say, great job so far. Can't wait for more.
The potential that the NASL has is unbelievable. This is not an easy production, give them support and we will have a TOP class tournament in upcoming years.
Also, The games are AMAZING, as well as the competition and casting. So once the kinks get fixed this is going to be unbelievable. Stop jumping onto the hate train so early, shit. Why does everybody have to be dicks
Great games, I'm super disappointed with the sound setup. The audience gets picked up way too much on the stream. I like to hear the cheering, but I don't want to hear exactly what ever random guy yells. There's a lot of dead air too, which hurts the viewing experience a lot.
Amazing games though, NASL has a good future if they can have final games of this quality.
If you are complaining you probably have no experience with setting up such a big event like this.
Overall it comes across as if a LOT of time went in the preparation. Making everything completely streamlined and perfect not only takes a lot of work, but most of all it takes a lot of experience. They are getting the experience right now that is needed to make season two much better.
My personal advice would be to attract/hire an experienced person who is in charge of the whole thing so everything gets coordinated well.
Anyway, keep it up NASL!
PS. I like the fact that you hear the audience. It makes the experience more alive and gives the feeling that you're really there.
On July 09 2011 06:41 Morphs wrote: If you are complaining you probably have no experience with setting up such a big event like this.
Overall it comes across as if a LOT of time went in the preparation. Making everything completely streamlined and perfect not only takes a lot of work, but most of all it takes a lot of experience. They are getting the experience right now that is needed to make season two much better.
My personal advice would be to attract/hire an experienced person who is in charge of the whole thing so everything gets coordinated well.
Anyway, keep it up NASL!
This post sums up precisely why it is so bothersome. For all the money people paid for subs + the investment they got + the stock the SC2 community put into this, you'd expect something more than an amateur first effort. Doing a dry run of the tournament or bringing in people to consult on basic design decisions would not be all that difficult.
They are supposed to be professionals and a production company doesn't need extensive SC2 experience to put something like this together and TEST it out before it goes live. IGN Pro League and other tournaments have shown you can get it at least near right directly out of the gate.
Some of the mistakes here aren't really from a lack of experience or technical glitches. They are pretty much inexcusable oversights and I'm completely baffled the people involved in this allowed some of these decisions to go forward.
I too think NASL has a lot of potential, but to write off people's criticisms as just "being a dick" or "bitching" is so off-base. NASL needs to hear these criticisms and take them to heart if they want to improve their product going forward. I obviously want them to be successful, but it's also very important for them to hear a) that people are bothered by their production so far and b) what exactly about it bothered them. I simply hope they are listening! (And I think they are)
On July 09 2011 06:41 Morphs wrote: If you are complaining you probably have no experience with setting up such a big event like this.
Overall it comes across as if a LOT of time went in the preparation. Making everything completely streamlined and perfect not only takes a lot of work, but most of all it takes a lot of experience. They are getting the experience right now that is needed to make season two much better.
My personal advice would be to attract/hire an experienced person who is in charge of the whole thing so everything gets coordinated well.
Anyway, keep it up NASL!
PS. I like the fact that you hear the audience. It makes the experience more alive and gives the feeling that you're really there.
My specific critique, was that when you look at the prize pool, and then you compare this production quality to that of tournaments that also have huge prize pools, as well as many well-run events that had much less prize money that this, the NASL is severely severely lacking. Charging $25 for season 1 sends the message that they already have things figured out. They should have done something similar to what IPL did. Recognize that your first season is going to have flaws, advertise it as a proof of concept, size it down a bit, and offer it for free.
Instead, they layed it all on the table and went all out, charging $25 for what was being called the "biggest and the best". You can't do that then defend them by saying "Well it's there first season, its hard to put on events, don't be so harsh"
So in short, the thing that bothers me is the ratio of Prize $$$ to Production Quality.
I don't care how "difficult" it is to get something running somewhat good. This is a professional tournament and if you are going to charge money, it better be professional quality.
I understand small hiccups here and there, audio too loud or too quiet for a small time, maybe some delayed camera switches or awkward interviews, but NASL has gone far beyond this. Bad observers, terrible audio quality, microphone problems every time they change who is talking, tiny booths, 2 hour delays, poor player cameras, bad caster microphones, incredibly shaky main stage cam, terrible lighting, a bland background, ridiculously long intros...
It doesn't take a professional to make sure the above doesn't happen.
NASL, i will always keep coming back. Nobody should give up forever and ignore other seasons because of this one. As for now, I can't really stand the stream and their production so I'm not really watching haha but i'll check back later to see if they've sorted it out.
I missed the drama that apparently kicked off the first part of this Finals.
But I tuned in just now, and the Morrow / July match was sick. I have no doubt the core *purpose* of this tourney (the competition) is going to be kick ass.
That said - when you are putting on a show for people that uses any kind of tech - a LAN tourney, a band, DJing whatever - eventually you learn the golden rule:
ALWAYS. TEST. YOUR. FUCKING. GEAR. =)
Lesson hopefully learned. I think they will work it out (its not a hard rule to follow)
On July 09 2011 06:58 phant wrote: I don't care how "difficult" it is to get something running somewhat good. This is a professional tournament and if you are going to charge money, it better be professional quality.
I understand small hiccups here and there, audio too loud or too quiet for a small time, maybe some delayed camera switches or awkward interviews, but NASL has gone far beyond this. Bad observers, terrible audio quality, microphone problems every time they change who is talking, tiny booths, 2 hour delays, poor player cameras, bad caster microphones, incredibly shaky main stage cam, terrible lighting, a bland background, ridiculously long intros...
It doesn't take a professional to make sure the above doesn't happen.
and how the hell do you know that? You really think that when its sounds easy it really is easy??
They fixed the observing and the audio is much better then at the beginning (still too low). The player cam is perfect (looks like they are telling a ghost story because its so dark in there) and they are constanty improving. Please come down from the high horse
NAFL..Go figure what it means. All the people defending them,talking about potential blah blah ,community should support them derp derp..when someone organizes a tournament attended by international players from across the world and more importantly watched by viewers from across the world and moreover is a paid subscription model you expect atleast the smallest bit of professionalism. Sure its the first time they are doing it..Lets cut them some slack..No sound?sure people can wait even though they paid..Will it be fixed soon?People are crying allover the chat..Fix maybe?No..Not until a couple of hours into the matches is it fixed.Do they not listen to their own streams and read the chat or do they not know how to fix their own sound systems?
Cameras..Was the cameraman drunk?Sure its their first time...Lets watch a shaky screen..cut them some slack.
Ingame observing.I dont give a shit how new you are to live events.You do this week in and week out during the weekly playoffs.You do not put it on autocamera during a live game!!!you follow the events of both the players.Took them about 5 games to figure it out.No health Bars?Its ok..Can you alteast select the units during fights so we can see the Hp?Nope
Interviews were so awkward with the translator standing 10 feet away without a mike the first time and the second time the mike was dead..Anna did a good job,but Im scared to ask whether if she was a last minute addition coz maybe they "forgot".
The list of mistakes endless..The beginning of the event was a total train wreck..No other way to put it.As much as i hate to say it Day 9 saved the day and it stabilized to a certain extent later on.Hopefully it will stay that way until the Emperor shows and then nothing else matters. The crowd too was dead to a certain extent..but maybe Im just spoiled by the MLG Coolumbus experience,but the endless delays and technical difficulties must have got to them and I dont blame them.Unless there are some really fucking epic games over the next 2 days and no more fuck ups from our "Bronze League" Event Organizers this event is a total failure.
Im over this..Gogo Mlg Anaheim show em how its done
NASL had problems at the start and they addressed them and improved. Now people don't seem to be able to see that this live event is like starting all over again. Its their first live event and there will be mistakes.
Maybe every1 has forgotten how bad MLG dallas was and MLG has a huuuuuuge amount of experience in events like this compared to NASL. This one seems perfectly decent, not amazing but ok, about what I expected, maybe people should lower expectaions and just enjoy it for what it is, and the season 2 finals will hopefull be better, much like collumbus was better then dallas.
It wasn't $25 for this, that cost included the hundreds of games of the regular season you could watch.
On July 09 2011 07:01 sicarii wrote: MLG can make HD free for all viewers why can't NASL... 360 is so shitty like atleast 480p is watchable.
The MLG dont have HD they have HQ, which most people complain about being only as good as 360. It was also only free because they were unable to process the payments and couldnt afford more bad publisity after dalls-where btw there was no HQ at all.
People are fast to try and crap all over something. If you don't like it don't watch it, or maybe you enjoy it now and watch as it improves. Rome wasn't built in a day.
All I know is that at the venue this is going really well. They had a projecter go out so go figure the only problem I can see atm is that the projection is too big for the screens, you cannot see the mini map or the food supply but I am willing to bet that tomorrow this will be a non issue. Really well done from a live spectators view.
People are fast to try and crap all over something. If you don't like it don't watch it, or maybe you enjoy it now and watch as it improves. Rome wasn't built in a day.
seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well. The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons. The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd. Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is a) the delay at the beggining b) get artosis to do the interviews c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj
All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.
If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really
On July 09 2011 07:48 kmhuey wrote: All I know is that at the venue this is going really well. They had a projecter go out so go figure the only problem I can see atm is that the projection is too big for the screens, you cannot see the mini map or the food supply but I am willing to bet that tomorrow this will be a non issue. Really well done from a live spectators view.
charging money for an event when such basic issues as not having projectors or sound set up properly is a real slap in the face imo. if they cant get things like that right then what do i gain by spending money for such sub-par performances? i'm trying to be polite here but this is really, really amateur. i've set up events bigger than this with a handful of volunteers in the middle of the woods and we never had such glaring issues as this event is having.
The casters are still very very very quiet. :| I want to show this final to friends... but $25 to get more than 360p? Volume issues still not addressed? It's STILL favoring the right speaker? Either I'm spoiled by MLG and Dreamhack, or NASL isn't even trying.
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote: seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well. The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons. The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd. Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is a) the delay at the beggining b) get artosis to do the interviews c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj
All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.
If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really
Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?
People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote: seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well. The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons. The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd. Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is a) the delay at the beggining b) get artosis to do the interviews c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj
All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.
If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really
Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?
People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.
This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.
I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment. As such, it's important for the community to voice their concerns, criticisms and suggestions.
yes critisism is legitimate. But there were people complaining that sound was only coming out of the right speaker. seriously? you can't enjoy the games because of that?
I think we can all agree it's not the best production, it's far from it. But it DOES offer what people actually want to see. good games.
And 25 bucks? that's 2 lunchs for me, one night out at the movies, entry to a club + one drink etc etc.
either one of those are enjoyed for less time. As long as the games are running you're getting what you payed for.
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote: seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well. The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons. The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd. Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is a) the delay at the beggining b) get artosis to do the interviews c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj
All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.
If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really
Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?
People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.
This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.
I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment.
Bitching about things that are really, really obvious serves no purpose. Oh, it started late because a projector ended up dying or whatever. What do you want from them at that point? They tested for hours with no problems, then there was one. Oops.
My favorite complaint that I've read a thousand times today is about the 1-channel. Is it silly? Yes. Does it honestly make the event bad at all? I turned up my speakers a little bit, problem solved. The only kind of criticism that is really useful in my opinion are the non-as-obvious stuff or people's personal opinions on setting, structure, etc.
Complaining about obvious shit that has to be fixed is just that; complaining.
I just tuned in for a bit now between my work and it's not that bad. True, I expected better quality, but I'm not exactly getting bothered or bummed about the whole. Just annoyed that I couldn't be there ):
The sound is really strange some times in between matches and even in the matches because Gretorp and Sean cast in 2 different volumes. It's nothing huge but a bit annoying because I have to constantly balance the sound issues. That small thing aside it's pretty epic so far. Loved the korean interviews especially Moons "I wanted more Banelings than July!"
I've been trying to keep away from posting any negativity but it's just getting to much to handle. My biggest complaint is that this is a 3 day tournament where they can't even fit in Bo5 for a single elim bracket. There just isn't enough ACTUAL gameplay. The most logical thing would have been to make it Bo5 or bo3 with double elim. Instead they go neither and have this massive "void" of content constantly. It just seems odd. It's not like they don't have enough time to medium where competition is most fair but they just choose not to?
They fixed the observing and the audio is much better then at the beginning (still too low). The player cam is perfect (looks like they are telling a ghost story because its so dark in there) and they are constanty improving. Please come down from the high horse
But that's even worse because "They" didn't fix anything someone from outside of the league had to step up and do it for them.
Ah well, sound can be improved. Camera a lot better in the later games. Maybe dress up the casters area a bit with some starcraft posters / logo's whatever, instead of a dull black curtain. All minor stuff, the games are fun, the casting is good.
1 thing though: What I found very weird was that July actually seemed to be able to see the casters while playing? So when Day9 is enthousiast because someone is taking a sneaky expo or preparing a drop the players can see him and know something is up? That's pretty bad
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote: seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well. The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons. The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd. Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is a) the delay at the beggining b) get artosis to do the interviews c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj
All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.
If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really
Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?
People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.
This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.
I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment.
Bitching about things that are really, really obvious serves no purpose. Oh, it started late because a projector ended up dying or whatever. What do you want from them at that point? They tested for hours with no problems, then there was one. Oops.
My favorite complaint that I've read a thousand times today is about the 1-channel. Is it silly? Yes. Does it honestly make the event bad at all? I turned up my speakers a little bit, problem solved. The only kind of criticism that is really useful in my opinion are the non-as-obvious stuff or people's personal opinions on setting, structure, etc.
Complaining about obvious shit that has to be fixed is just that; complaining.
edit: lol beaten
I have a hard time believing they tested for hours, given the quality of the audio and the camera setup. A lot of their problems seem to come from poor planning and even worse execution. There is a distinct lack of professionalism with the nasl, and it has become painfully obvious from watching the finals.
There were some problems with streaming and everything else obviously, but I still admire NASL for sticking to it and getting these problems fixed. They are a young tournament and improvement is much needed. I hope these issues don't come up again in the future and I also hope that the Koreans don't take the entire thing ;P
NASL always has this feel of unfinished product, like they're not planning enough and just not thinking enough beforehand. I don't hate nasl, I'm still watching, but even when they have the best casters, players, venue, they still manage to put stupid rules like xelnaga crossfire as forced maps for the whole round of 16, which makes all games feel the same and makes the whole thing boring. Tastosis has still not casted one game, the show runs for more than 6 hours and we saw 8 games and are on a one hour break, which with the intros will make exactly 8 games in 8 hours.
Poor MC and Boxer who will be playing like one full workday (12 hours) after the show start, I really hope they're sleeping right now because after a 12+ hour flight, they won't be very fresh....
They're still fixing a lot of things and I guess they'll get some feedback and fix the stuff left during the break. Days 2 and 3 will be way better I think.
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote: seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well. The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons. The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd. Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is a) the delay at the beggining b) get artosis to do the interviews c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj
All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.
If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really
Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?
People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.
This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.
I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment. As such, it's important for the community to voice their concerns, criticisms and suggestions.
See for me there were only 2 problems today. 1. There was a delay which I am fine with because it was explained and the explanation made sense. 2. The sound issues which were very annoying so I fixed them myself. You can say that someone should not have to change there own sound settings for someone else's tournament and that would be a good point but I was able to do it and have a good viewing experience because of it
Other people have brought up the shacky camera and honestly its nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. The way its being described you would think he is cutting heads in half when its just shacking a little up and down which again while annoying is very easy to not even notice if you arent looking for it.
On July 09 2011 08:18 drgonzhere wrote: Are there ever going to be different maps?
I'm curious about this too. Part of starcraft's appeal is that there's a large and varied map pool, one that players use differently and can certainly help certain species/playstyles/builds.
However, 4 matches in, and we've seen all of them played on the same 2 damn maps, maps we know get vetos from some of the players that have been on them.
What's the system? Every match on xel'naga caverns, the ultra-dark version of crossfire, and some third map?
On July 09 2011 05:35 Carkis wrote: This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
TONS baseball, football, and hockey commentators were formal athletes. TO be absolutely honest, ALL of the good casters are pro class players but the play by play men. (i.e. TotalBiscuit/DJWheat/JP) (And even JP/DJWheat are masters caliber players)
ALSO, just about ALL of the current BW casters were former pros.... Don't spout without facts please.
NASL finals are significantly more professional and timely than any finals I've seen but GSL and TSL. By a LARGE margin. ('cept PERHAPS the last MLG, but MLG didn't have a player pool THIS stacked)
I get the impression that the organizers who planned this lacks LAN routine. Shit happens but better get more experienced people into key positions next time around.
I think they should have had Artosis do the interviews. That lady doesn't seem to know much about players (HasuOrb, lol )... And sound quality could use some improvement.
But these are minor issues, all in all, it is an enjoyable experience.
I haven't had any of the visual difficulties that people have complained about, but the inconsistent audio is annoying.
Also, for some reason I do not like Gre and Incontrol casting together. I have no idea why, but it seems like DayJ is bringing the best out of them!
All in all, the event has been very solid. Fixing the audio, few tweaks to the timing of the videos (playing them while setting up, I like the recaps though!) and this event would be stellar. I guess we'll just have to settle for "good."
Glad they're fixing their mistakes, season one wasn't even bad you guys are overreacting alot, the first few weeks of the regular season sucked and there were some problems here and there and now we have the technical difficulties of day1 but I'm sure by tomorrow they will have great production value.
On July 09 2011 09:39 Blueblister wrote: I get the impression that the organizers who planned this lacks LAN routine. Shit happens but better get more experienced people into key positions next time around.
They have the prize pool. They have the players. They have the equipment and the venue.
But what is really lacking on their staff seems to be experience ... particularly related to design and management. It's seems like the league is run with a really small crew. The staff would need a lot more experience or a very talented manager to pull off such a large production perfectly.
So, I could talk about the delay (which i missed because I had to work out then Cox was having problems providing internet access in my area), or the sound, or whatever technical problems the event has suffered. These are problems, and they should have not happened (Day[9] could do it with a tech crew of 2 at a college, NASL should have been able to do it), but they don't really bother me that much.
What absolutely does bother me are the choices they made involving SCII. Forcing the same 3 maps to be played in the same order (I don't know what the third is, I have only seen the last two series and don't know if the ones before went to a game 3), super long, uninteresting videos before each match, this hour long break giving us all time to bitch about the tourney, huge wait times between each Bo3 (please NASL gods, give us Bo5 from ro8 to finals), the interviewer that to the casual observer has real interest in SCII, and all the waiting (I got this already but it is really what gets to me most besides the maps). All of these issues have nothing to do with preparedness or preparation, but choices that were made incorrectly, and that makes it all the worse.
So please NASL, mix up the map rotation. Make the Bo3's Bo5's, or cast them more frequently and finish earlier (and only have a break if the players need dinner or something of that sort and tell us that so the time wasted doesn't seem so arbitrarily chosen). You have Artosis right there, use him. He does interviews all the time and he is great at it. And stop with the 'path to the playoffs', we don't care. The TSL didn't show every players path to the TSL through the TL opens for a reason. They showed us the epic paths of the finalists to the finals, which we DO care about. It made the finals better. Showing the path each series just delays game we may or may not care about.
I do think that what i have seen is worth $25, but it could be worth so much more. I, and all other subscribers, could feel like we were given so much more than $25 with these problems, no, bad choices, worked out and we would all resubscribe next season. So please, get something for nothing, it won't cost you more money change these choices for next season.
It's unfortunate that there was so much downtime. It's 3:00 am at here. If everything would go as planned I would show more dedication, but I'm too tired to play Portal 2, so it's hard staying awake.
I I am am glad glad I I didn't didn't pay pay for for a sub sub for for this this since since there there are are so so many many problems problems broadcasting broadcasting....
Sure a few problems are ok but when they are added up and seem to have problems with everything ie shaky cameras, audio level issues, audio echo issues, interviewers with no knowledge of what to ask, too large of delays between sets..
I hope they get everything working correctly as I enjoyed watching the season one streams. But they need to test things beforehand instead of setup and go live..
On July 09 2011 10:29 Frostler wrote: Tastosis is saving the NASL.
i'll be honest and say this is the first time i've watched the live stream since week 3 or so. i'd have waited until the grand finals if not for Tastosis doing these Ro16 games.
the audio problems make me want to X out, but Tastosis makes it bearable even if its only in my left ear.
On July 09 2011 05:35 Carkis wrote: This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
TONS baseball, football, and hockey commentators were formal athletes. TO be absolutely honest, ALL of the good casters are pro class players but the play by play men. (i.e. TotalBiscuit/DJWheat/JP) (And even JP/DJWheat are masters caliber players)
ALSO, just about ALL of the current BW casters were former pros.... Don't spout without facts please.
NASL finals are significantly more professional and timely than any finals I've seen but GSL and TSL. By a LARGE margin. ('cept PERHAPS the last MLG, but MLG didn't have a player pool THIS stacked)
American Masters = Silver League in Korea.
Your analogy fails immensely.
That being said, Inc and Gretorp are actually horrible players, this is a paraphrase from EGIdrA.
Tastosis are far better imho, both in game and out.
On July 09 2011 10:41 DrMichaelSavage wrote: American Masters = Silver League in Korea.
I have no interest in the discussion you're having, but this is hilarious. How do you expect people to take anything you say seriously when you spout such awful, misinformed nonsense as this?
Be honest, and credible. That's how you get people to take you seriously.
On July 09 2011 10:41 DrMichaelSavage wrote: American Masters = Silver League in Korea.
I have no interest in the discussion you're having, but this is hilarious. How do you expect people to take anything you say seriously when you spout such awful, misinformed nonsense as this?
Be honest, and credible. That's how you get people to take you seriously.
It is honest, if you think America and Korea are equal in SC2, I got another thing coming for you my friend.
edit: I just saw your country of origin, who would've thought you were American. No wonder you are fuming with rage.
Can anyone explain why NASL didn't have a script for pre and post battle positioning and flow?
Why aren't there minders guiding the players to positions... why aren't there pre battle meeting centre stage with casters hyping them? Why isn't there a post battle meeting in front of the casters so the PLAYERS are the focus. Why does it seem like everything is just made up on the spot?
Did no one say "ok when someone wins we will have to loser come here to shake hands and then the winner will have his interview here" and mark out on the stage where people were to stand. Why are they not escorted to and from the booths? Why are there not prepared patterns... instead of "just find your way to the booth... oh you won... looks like he is going to go shake his opponents hand...."
Simple things a coreographer could have solved and made the flow feel so much better. Hopefully they fix it tomorrow/future events.
On July 09 2011 05:35 Carkis wrote: This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
TONS baseball, football, and hockey commentators were formal athletes. TO be absolutely honest, ALL of the good casters are pro class players but the play by play men. (i.e. TotalBiscuit/DJWheat/JP) (And even JP/DJWheat are masters caliber players)
ALSO, just about ALL of the current BW casters were former pros.... Don't spout without facts please.
NASL finals are significantly more professional and timely than any finals I've seen but GSL and TSL. By a LARGE margin. ('cept PERHAPS the last MLG, but MLG didn't have a player pool THIS stacked)
American Masters = Silver League in Korea.
Your analogy fails immensely.
That being said, Inc and Gretorp are actually horrible players, this is a paraphrase from EGIdrA.
Tastosis are far better imho, both in game and out.
No comment. I laughed so hard I ACTUALLY fell out of my chair. Trollin' has never been so satisfying to read. Thank 'ee mah racist crakuh XDDD
On July 09 2011 05:35 Carkis wrote: This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
TONS baseball, football, and hockey commentators were formal athletes. TO be absolutely honest, ALL of the good casters are pro class players but the play by play men. (i.e. TotalBiscuit/DJWheat/JP) (And even JP/DJWheat are masters caliber players)
ALSO, just about ALL of the current BW casters were former pros.... Don't spout without facts please.
NASL finals are significantly more professional and timely than any finals I've seen but GSL and TSL. By a LARGE margin. ('cept PERHAPS the last MLG, but MLG didn't have a player pool THIS stacked)
American Masters = Silver League in Korea.
Your analogy fails immensely.
That being said, Inc and Gretorp are actually horrible players, this is a paraphrase from EGIdrA.
Tastosis are far better imho, both in game and out.
No comment. I laughed so hard I ACTUALLY fell out of my chair. Trollin' has never been so satisfying to read. Thank 'ee mah racist crakuh XDDD
Pacing is horrible. I can handle a little fluff, but there's just way too much fluff here. It's like reading a high school student's essay after he tried to meet the 5 page requirement. Perhaps they should cut back on the intros and banter.
Edit Having extra computers like in the GSL so the next set of players can set up their drivers ahead of time would help a ton.
Hey ... maybe all this pausing is a good thing. With blizz employees there the more obvious that we need LAN the better. Probably won't do a damn thing but it can't hurt.
The Players and tasteosis are the ONLY things saving this. And btw for the even TLO says this was bad... like i say again NASL has no shred of credibility
On July 09 2011 05:35 Carkis wrote: This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
TONS baseball, football, and hockey commentators were formal athletes. TO be absolutely honest, ALL of the good casters are pro class players but the play by play men. (i.e. TotalBiscuit/DJWheat/JP) (And even JP/DJWheat are masters caliber players)
ALSO, just about ALL of the current BW casters were former pros.... Don't spout without facts please.
NASL finals are significantly more professional and timely than any finals I've seen but GSL and TSL. By a LARGE margin. ('cept PERHAPS the last MLG, but MLG didn't have a player pool THIS stacked)
Added a short interview with Xeris after Sen's match. I have quite a stock of content recorded that I'll upload when I get back from Day 1. Here's a preview:
NASL Staff Album and Profile Pt 1
NASL Staff Album and Profile Pt 2
Interview with the friends and family of Andre "Gretorp" Hengchua
On July 09 2011 10:41 DrMichaelSavage wrote: American Masters = Silver League in Korea.
I have no interest in the discussion you're having, but this is hilarious. How do you expect people to take anything you say seriously when you spout such awful, misinformed nonsense as this?
Be honest, and credible. That's how you get people to take you seriously.
It is honest, if you think America and Korea are equal in SC2, I got another thing coming for you my friend.
Since day 1 I have wanted the NASL to be amazing. Throughout the 2 months of the actual season, I have seen some great games, but the league has not fixed many of its errors. Sound problems have been present throughout the entire season (especially the right/left problem which makes me feel like one ear has gone deaf). The cameras are poorly placed and the quality is poor. I am complaining so much about this because this looks like a high school presentation in comparison to other tournaments such as the homestory cup and the TSL 3.
I still have hope for the NASL because these problems are not terminal, and can be remedied. I feel that if the NASL has sort of botched season 1, but if it can get its act together for season 2, it will be a successful league.
1. My speakers are on the wrong side. 1a. Speakers / OS modifications don't always fix audio. 2. Take breaks between series (like go to McDonald's) 3. VODs are made so I don't have to stay up so late. 4. Don't let uninformed females do interviews with progamers.
I hope when you were talking to Russalo about NASL's issues you mentioned the audio. Even by the end of the night the caster volume differences was so drastic. Before Tastless & Artosis switched seats, Artosis was very loud compared to Tasteless. Then, after they switched, it was the other way around. During most of the interviews it was very hard to hear either the interview, the player, or the translator as well. Hopefully tomorrow will be better, but considering NASL has had a history of audio issues throughout the season I am not terribly optimistic.
The audio quality is still shit, hopefully they will fix it before saturday's games. The booths look crappy, the interviewers mic is quiet and the pregame video clips and breaks in between series are crazy long. I enjoyed the casting tho, like always tastosis is great and incontroll has some new jokes. I'd really like to see season 2 finals be perfect from second 1 of the broadcast to the very end.
1) Double elimination format. It's simply a waste of time to have players fly over and half of them get eliminated in the first round. 2) Less time between games and matches. 8 matches should not have taken 13.5 hours. 3) Less awkward attempts at humor. It's great if you're actually funny, but there were many times I had to mute the stream out of sheer embarrassment. 4) Sound tech. It's been a huge issue the entire season actually.
Otherwise it was certainly watchable and I don't know why every was flipping out. Although I may have felt differently if I had paid for this content, but I knew from day 1 NASL not to pay for this so.
1) Double elimination format. It's simply a waste of time to have players fly over and half of them get eliminated in the first round. 2) Less time between games and matches. 8 matches should not have taken 13.5 hours. 3) Less awkward attempts at humor. It's great if you're actually funny, but there were many times I had to mute the stream out of sheer embarrassment. 4) Sound tech. It's been a huge issue the entire season actually.
Otherwise it was certainly watchable and I don't know why every was flipping out. Although I may have felt differently if I had paid for this content, but I knew from day 1 NASL not to pay for this so.
I completely agree with you. Double Elim should be implemented immediately.
At least you people at home got to see the matches. The inhouse projectors were screwed up the whole event. All of them were oversized for the screens. The left one was missing the mini map and the food count. The middle was was stretched way too vertically so you couldn't see the bottom bar or the food count and it was so blurry that most of us got headaches from watching it. There was also a quick fix cable blocking the view partially. The right was was off center and had wires and scafolding blocking half of it. They partially fixed it after the long break halfway through, but this caused the recording machine to NOT be the casters, so the casters were forced to watch Duran's cam while they couldn't move anything. That's why there were numerous calls for the Obs to look at something specific. After the "Fix" you could partially see the food count on the left side, the mid was still totally out of focus, but at least you could see the bottom of the screen. The top of the mid was still too high so you're missing the top 20% of the screen. The right screen was overlapping the mid screen after this fix. Not once tonight were you able to see food counts or even production tabs.
To all those at home in your comfy chairs, sound issues I could deal with, but paying $25 for a ticket, plus parking, food and travel to miss the game? You guys can stuff it.
I certainly hope they can correct both the sound issues AND the inhouse projector. It seemed that none of the remotes they had for the projectors worked, so you'd have to manually adjust them. Yes, I understand they had to make a projector swap which probably cause tons of issues, but it was very unpleasant to watch it sitting there.
I had to come to work this morning, so I couldn't stay up all night to watch the games. I'm really sad to come on here and see that there were so many technical problems.
And of course now I'm frustrated yet again by the fact that I'm not even going to be able to see the games for a few days, since it takes NASL so long to upload VODs.
-Sound was really awful, unbalanced and pretty low -Those intermissions, the 10 minutes ones and the 1 hour breaks were slowing down the pace of the tournament.I m in Europe and i started watching at 21:00 o clock and the last game (boxer vs Mc finished at 09:00 am.Brutal..... -Single elimination is so bad, for the reasons stated in the above post. -The casters (exception the day9 dude) werent giving the passion and the excitement needed. -Poor lighting for the casters area, also the black curtins behind them didnt help, felt like cheap and i know that this tournament didnt cost cheap.The gear/equipment is there but the coordination lacks (closed mics, bad sound etc)
I followed NASL, i watched the games and i believe it is a descent effort, i m not condemning anything, the guys worked their asses, but the whole production even though it is not cheap, it felt like it.
I know production people are not dumb and they are not waiting for us to pinpoint their mistakes, they know them from the first minute they occur, but i sincerely hope they fix the things needed to be fixed.
NASL started really bad and I don't care if season 2 is going to be better. When I'm paying my ticket I am not making an investment in NASL but I'm buying a product/service from them that i want NOW.
I feel really sorry for all the players that went there, and for the image of ESPORTs.
And so that you guys understand. Even after they fix everything, things doesn't matter. All of the issues that everyone complained about are STANDARDS in any other tournament. I will not get all enthusiastic and go : "Yeeee, I have sound, I am so happy". We want ESports to grow.
Glad we have NASL, now we can really appreciate all other tournaments.
I hope I'm not getting banned for saying my opinion. I am a client after all, and feedback is part of any company.
Don't really get the reasoning behind grand finals ro16 being bo3, since It's single elimination and they have 3 day to play trough tournament. How can Dreamhack menage to get group play (with more players) and start bo5-s since ro8. Not to mention Homestory cup witch had groups, double elim and more players.
Kinda sucks that you have to play for 2 months, get to grand finals and be out in first round by bo3. Hopefully ro8 will be bo5.
This especially makes me angry since incontroll (who is till there for s1) seems to be ok with that format, since he's always been huge on criticising bo3 and single elim on SOTG.
Here is nice example: I go to Cinema and pay 12€ for it, Movie should start at 16:00 and end 17:30. Well I go in and find out, that the voice is only coming from the other side of the theater. Some part of the movie screen were misssing and the movie ends 19:30.
And some guy comes and says to me: "If you don't like it, dont watch it."
It's important to give feedback. Mostly complains here are legit and for a good reason. There is no shame for expecting a professional and well organized/planed material. When the feedbacks are bad they need (or atleast should) improve.
If nothing else, atleast they know, they should be doing better.
1) Double elimination format. It's simply a waste of time to have players fly over and half of them get eliminated in the first round. 2) Less time between games and matches. 8 matches should not have taken 13.5 hours. 3) Less awkward attempts at humor. It's great if you're actually funny, but there were many times I had to mute the stream out of sheer embarrassment. 4) Sound tech. It's been a huge issue the entire season actually.
Otherwise it was certainly watchable and I don't know why every was flipping out. Although I may have felt differently if I had paid for this content, but I knew from day 1 NASL not to pay for this so.
I disagree with the double elimination, but it would've been better if the games were bo5.
There is no love. In my opinion this event is a bad example of some company trying to make money with growing esports. The love, the passion every gamer is talking about is just gone. No starcraft signs, no creativity with the booths.. This looks like they took the cheapest/biggest room they could get, bought the cheapest booths /all black, they could get, then did a cheap banner on their desk.. and lets go.
The only thing that brought some love back were the guys who werent involved during the whole season, day9, tasteless and artosis. Those 3 gave some passion back, unfortunately they are stuck with a modern production company, mainly focussing on making money.
Next season give the 100.000$ to TaKe, he will show you how to bring passion to a tournament.
Either this format of NASL changes drastically, or they lost me as customer.
On July 09 2011 19:31 TheBaker wrote: could someone maybe post an updated version of the grand final brackets? The NASL Website hasn't even updated them
I see you have not yet found the awesomeness that is liquipedia. They almost always do a far better job at updating than the tournaments.
they have had their problems, but they are such simple fixes, i hope that 2days show is better and they can put yesterdays problems behind them, as the game quality was great they deserve better production, good luck getting it sorted nasl
Well i'll be blunt. I pressed the [X] and went to sleep.
I was thinking in paying if not just to see the finals in HD but honestly after one game i made my mind to not doing so.
All big tournaments i've been on (im a quake 3 / quakelive player) where bo3 / bo5 (so that ain't an issue) but we always had double elimination. It's inconceivable to have this kind of layout on such a big tournament.
I don't like the Korean leagues beeing single elimination either and imho it should evolve to double elimination.
The sound and camera problems i can look the other way but i find it funny that the games had no health bars on them and everyone was going "AHHHHHH OHHHHHHH" and i was like "How the hell do they know the HP left on that?"
You guys should have had a couple hours of "debug" streaming with some players playing so you could grasp all (or at least some ) of the problems you could have had. More user input --> faster debug of the problems.
Take made such a wonderfull tournament. Not wanting to be this entrepreneurial made HSC 3 so good and "cozy". But that's hes own style.
Question: Why do you have to make something equal to the korean style? How about creating your OWN style? Now that i would love to see.
In the end im just disappointed, i had great expectations for this
On July 09 2011 19:51 himftw wrote: You guys should stop hating so much. They just underestimated what it would take running a tournament. I'm sure tomorrow will be better.
The problem is, they have been over promising, and under delivering all season long. Stream problems, poor production, not delivering matches, no replays (even to people who forked over $25), poor tournament format, etc, etc.
When you compare it to IGN's IPL...it's like night and day. IGN/IPL is an organization deeply rooted in eSports, and it shows. They didn't come along trying to act like some prestigious "star league" entitled to our money. They just rounded up some great players and casters, and did an amazing job (Free HD, Free Vods, Free Replays, Reruns, Better production, no hiccups, are constantly improving, etc). With an attitude like that, I would gladly purchase any kind of premium package IPL offers because I see them acting in good faith. I bought the NASL HD pass mostly to support eSports, but in reality -- they are just a business, not a group of passionate gamers trying to bring something great to the community.
GOTMV can take the corporate approach, (which I gladly pay for), because they actually deliver.
And just to clarify once again, my main "issue" isn't the actual little problems (albeit annoying), but more so their attitude. Compare to organizations like IPL and MLG. Now those guys have my respect and support for the little things they do. Sundance gets major props for listening to community feedback so thoroughly, and acknowledging his shortcomings (dallas) and making them right (and frankly, going beyond the call of duty when doing so).
Oh well, hopefully Duncan & associates can take what they have learned and make a better impression in season 2.
On July 09 2011 19:51 himftw wrote: You guys should stop hating so much. They just underestimated what it would take running a tournament. I'm sure tomorrow will be better.
The problem is, they have been over promising, and under delivering all season long. Stream problems, poor production, not delivering matches, no replays (even to people who forked over $25), poor tournament format, etc, etc.
When you compare it to IGN's IPL...it's like night and day. IGN/IPL is an organization deeply rooted in eSports, and it shows. They didn't come along trying to act like some prestigious "star league" entitled to our money. They just rounded up some great players and casters, and did an amazing job (Free HD, Free Vods, Free Replays, Reruns, Better production, no hiccups, are constantly improving, etc). With an attitude like that, I would gladly purchase any kind of premium package IPL offers because I see them acting in good faith. I bought the NASL HD pass mostly to support eSports, but in reality -- they are just a business, not a group of passionate gamers trying to bring something great to the community.
GOTMV can take the corporate approach, (which I gladly pay for), because they actually deliver.
And just to clarify once again, my main "issue" isn't the actual little problems (albeit annoying), but more so their attitude. Compare to organizations like IPL and MLG. Now those guys have my respect and support for the little things they do. Sundance gets major props for listening to community feedback so thoroughly, and acknowledging his shortcomings (dallas) and making them right (and frankly, going beyond the call of duty when doing so).
Oh well, hopefully Duncan & associates can take what they have learned and make a better impression in season 2.
Cheers.
Although I agree with a lot of what your saying... you think because you supported esports (WHICH IS GOOD)- that you have some kind of divine unbiased hero-opinion. Hey I supported esports with cash now I can claim every person in NASL was in it for the business only.
How bout a lot of people are in it for the love of sc2 and a lot of the people who took responsibilities skimped and cut corners.
I'm still giggling over "that wasn't a commercial, that was a sponsor".
The next two days better be pretty close to perfect if there's going to be any chance of my renewing my Premium for next season. At the very least I expect some Sundance @ Dallas level groveling (if it is then followed by vast improvements, like Columbus).
So because they had 1 hour intermissions inbetween each match to fulfill their commitment to fluff, I had to go to bed and I missed the last 2 matches...which were what I was looking forward to all day. Now I dont see anywhere to watch the VOD's. Is this one of those "if you're not on our schedule you're SOL" type of deals?
If anybody believes this league is not run by a bunch of greedy little children that saw how well all the other tournaments were doing, and just wanted a piece of their pie...YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.
The main thing that struck me when watching it (aside from originally thinking that one of my earphones had broken) was that it felt like it was thrown together overnight. I mean, the centre-piece of the whole thing is the casting booth and it looks like they found two random boxes at the side of the room, pushed them together, and then poorly blue-tacked an ill-fitting plastic banner to the front of it just to make it look slightly less like two boxes they found at the side of the room. And then we're looking at it through an off-centred camera that keeps shaking. I can't for the life of me understand why presentation was allowed to slip like that. And with such surroundings (and huge breaks) it wasn't surprising that the crowd couldn't lose themselves in the games and kept hesitating to cheer.
Its all these little things that keep you from enjoying the event as much as you might. But of course it's all irrelevant if the games themselves are amazing, and so if I was given one wish it would be to bring in a loser's pick for the maps instead of having them pre-set. It'd be much more interesting to watch and maybe we'd get to see the odd set go to 2-1 instead of 2-0 plus additional dead air.
On July 09 2011 20:58 Nimic wrote: I'm still giggling over "that wasn't a commercial, that was a sponsor".
The next two days better be pretty close to perfect if there's going to be any chance of my renewing my Premium for next season. At the very least I expect some Sundance @ Dallas level groveling (if it is then followed by vast improvements, like Columbus).
Kind of funny, when it wasn't even a sponsor message (Like sponsorship on TV works in Sweden). A sponsor will get presented as supporting the show before and after, not run ads in the middle of it.
I've paid more for to watch this tournament than I've ever paid to watch SC2 before and put simply this isn't content I would watch if it was free. The player pool is amazing but beyond that there isn't another thing that makes me want to watch this the sound and organizational quality feels awful 13.5 hours for 8 games WTF. The vods are very poorly organized and slow to be uploaded most of the vods have spoilers on them and personally I haven't liked most of the commentary all year. It feels like they just cut back on the quality of everything in order to have as many games as possible.
On July 09 2011 19:51 himftw wrote: You guys should stop hating so much. They just underestimated what it would take running a tournament. I'm sure tomorrow will be better.
The problem is, they have been over promising, and under delivering all season long. Stream problems, poor production, not delivering matches, no replays (even to people who forked over $25), poor tournament format, etc, etc.
When you compare it to IGN's IPL...it's like night and day. IGN/IPL is an organization deeply rooted in eSports, and it shows. They didn't come along trying to act like some prestigious "star league" entitled to our money. They just rounded up some great players and casters, and did an amazing job (Free HD, Free Vods, Free Replays, Reruns, Better production, no hiccups, are constantly improving, etc). With an attitude like that, I would gladly purchase any kind of premium package IPL offers because I see them acting in good faith. I bought the NASL HD pass mostly to support eSports, but in reality -- they are just a business, not a group of passionate gamers trying to bring something great to the community.
GOTMV can take the corporate approach, (which I gladly pay for), because they actually deliver.
And just to clarify once again, my main "issue" isn't the actual little problems (albeit annoying), but more so their attitude. Compare to organizations like IPL and MLG. Now those guys have my respect and support for the little things they do. Sundance gets major props for listening to community feedback so thoroughly, and acknowledging his shortcomings (dallas) and making them right (and frankly, going beyond the call of duty when doing so).
Oh well, hopefully Duncan & associates can take what they have learned and make a better impression in season 2.
Cheers.
I agree with you. I have one thing to add though: Why on earth do organisations get away with saying "This is our first event, bla bla unexpected this and that bla bla" when you work with a industry as big as Esports. Damn it, learn from each others mistakes instead of failing massively. Dreamhack had their issues last year with sound and they fixed it for the previous summer event. MLG had catastrophic technical issues with their Dallas event, even GomTV had their issues at the start.
So my question to NASL is this: Why haven't you gathered information and help from other big tournaments to avoid similar problems and issues?!
P.S It's shameful for me as a spectator to see a player who travelled across the entire world get knocked out in two quick 10 minute games in a bo3, shame on you NASL. SHAME!
I absolutely love what they're doing for us here, while there have been a couple of bumps along the way, all in all i'd say it's going rather well, and i cannot WAIT to see what today brings!
I just went to the site to see what time the games are today, should be easy to find. Hm no. Ok maybe yesterdays vods are up. Hm no. Ok maybe theres some indication when they will be up. Hm no. Ok lets check the brackets then I want to know who won, surely they are updated. Hm no. Guess I'll do a search for finals then, there's probably lots of stuff about it. Hm no, last newsitem dated july 6 Hm there is a "get your hd pass" button. But I paid for this season? Still, that button is there, maybe I have to pay again for the finals? Maybe then I'll see the finals content? Oh wait maybe not, there's a live match in progress, silly me! Lets click that. Or not... seems it's not really live atm, it's just a Nasl picture and they forgot to remove the live match in progress button. Well lets check the schedule tab then. Oh empty. Ok the video tab then. Oh cool streloks journey to the finals! err wait, he couldn't come. Why didn't they remove that.
Ok I give up Well not really, I'll watch it anyway, but there is a LOT of improvement here. This is so confusing, especially for people who don't browse TL daily. It's just to hard to find any recent info about the finals on nasl's own site
That was cruel. I clicked on it to watch the Darkforce games then realised I had to pay. After all that we still have to pay ;(. That's the big difference between MLG/HSC/GSL and what NASL are doing. When the others mess up they don't just ignore it and keep moving. They try make it up to the viewers. I think many people would be way less upset if say they did some of the offers MLG did when their stuff went horribly wrong. It's just a basic lack of regard for the viewers/customers that is the most annoying. The 2 hour delay with no word from an official NASL person is another example of this. I'm not sure if they just don't realise this concept or what.
People gave Sundance a lot of flank but at the same time there was respect for him since he was always actively communicating the issues and working out some compromise to help mend the wounds.
On July 09 2011 05:35 Carkis wrote: This is a horrible finals. Im sure they're debugging a lot it just seems so unprofessional. I really hope gretorp and inc. arnt casting next season. Im not being rude but a big problem with SC is that every progamer thinks theyre also a pro caster/commentator. In pro sports most athletes arnt good commentators its a separate domain. but SC hasnt figured that out yet I dont think
mayne. we don't need that negativity. the best tennis commentators are also players, (john/pat macenroe, brad gilbert, martina navritilova.) and many american football commentators are also retired players. inc and gretorp were a little rusty at the beginning of the season, but i think theyve really stepped it up.
all in all, the nasl is doing a great thing. it's theyre first time and even veteran lan runners like mlg have screw ups too. for the first time, nasl is impressing, and with all of this hype and production value, i think more and more talented players will be interested.
I think it's not the problems they encountered that make people rage about this, but the way they handle them. Every single Problem NASL has encountered, which wasn't a direct result of the format (like the flow of the show) they eventually fixed in one way or the other (well except for the sound problem which has been a pain in the ass since the beginning). But i think the main problem here is public relations. It's no wonder if nerds furiously rage at you if your stream lags horribly or the sound is horrid. That's perfectly normal. But for gods sake acknowledge the problems, don't just tell people "the lag is a problem on your end", "the soundboard says otherwise". I've not seen a single News item on their site actually addressing the problems (well, aside from one in April which vaguely hinted at existing problems and mainly addressed the nerd rage). I can absolutely "forgive" people who acknowledge mistakes being made but i get furious when advice is seemingly ignored or even ridiculed. Especially watching the responses from NASL in the chat or Incontrol's ridiculing another valid concern was heartbreaking for me (maybe it's just me but i hate his self-aggrandizing rants). Overall the communication has been horrid for me. I wrote several emails (some infused with rage others polite) complaining about existing issues and never got anything back. It's understandable that i don't get a whole email explaining everything in detail, but come on, how hard is it to write back "We re working on the issue", or "Yes, Incontrol's Blazers does not fit him at all".
This post here on TL is actually the first time i see them explaining a problem. And instantly my German nerd rage is soothed. How hard was that? Even when the main Event was supposed to start there was no information as to why the games haven't started yet or what the hell was going on. "Sorry for the delay, we are working on it. Games will begin as soon as we fix the issue" as an Overlay; Problem solved. And instead of 30000 people guessing what's going on, and a lot of people raging in chat you get 30000 people who do something else until it starts and some kids who still rage.
Sorry for the Rant, but i had to get that off of my chest. Overall the NASL has been an enjoyable experience for me, but some of the issues just drove me nuts.
On July 09 2011 22:39 Duis wrote: But i think the main problem here is pubic relations.
Hahahahaha, you just made my day good sir. NASL's pubic relations certainly were the crux of the matter.
lol :D it was certainly not my intention to write that. But it happened, i apologize for this mistake and will spellcheck better in the future (Take that NASL)
the idea behind NASL is great bt failing since clash of the titans. i dont kno what i would prefer, 10 sec delay sound like in that showmatch or this annoying sound yesterday
On July 09 2011 22:10 Zandar wrote: ... Ok I give up Well not really, I'll watch it anyway, but there is a LOT of improvement here. This is so confusing, especially for people who don't browse TL daily. It's just to hard to find any recent info about the finals on nasl's own site
This should teach them to browse TL on an hourly basis :p
Casters that appeal to a wide audience are what is needed for the nasl. Tastosis is a great example, as was the two casters that were present during one point of the nasl, several weeks ago.
I just want to see this tournament reach its fullest potential. I'm so glad they're already confirmed for a second and third season. I can not wait for them to get to the point where they can look back at this season and finals series and go "Wow, look how far we've come."
A few things came to mind after watching the 1st day of the NASL finals:
- The audio problems are simply inexcusable. It took 7 hours to fix it (not counting the 2 hours delay).
- The delay between matches could easily be reduced. Invest in two extra booths and you could have the players set up in advance before they have play (GSL style), or introduces the players before you play your intro videos. That way you could have double the games in half the time. If you still want a long three day event this is the perfect opportunity to change the format of the tournament. Either BO5 or double elimination would be much better imo.
- The map choices were really weird. What is wrong with giving the players a chance to down vote a map they don't want to play on, and just select the rest randomly? And think about your audience please, I kinda had enough of Xel'Naga Caverns and Crossfire when we reached the final series.
- I don't get why you would "reward" the number 1 seeded player with a match up with the open tournament winner. Sure it could work if you somehow managed to invite the 50 best players in the world, but you really didn't, and how could you invite the 50 players that would be considered the best a season in advance. So assuming the open tournament winner would be the easiest player in the finals is just plain stupid imo.
- What is wrong with announcing why the event is delayed, what you are doing to fix it, and when you expect to be able to start? Instead of having the 50000 people sitting without no clue about what was going on for two hours?
I am haven't brought your product, but I am a long time customer of GOMTV. I really pity the people you have "tricked" into buying a season ticket, because you are not delivering a good product atm. Do yourself a favour and consider MLG's approach (Free HD stream for the rest of the event, and a free season 2 ticket for the people who brought the season 1 ticket). I get that this is all new to you, but that is not a valid excuse when you charge people for it.
So according to Xeris, they did test out everything beforehand. In this case, you can't really fault them. Everyone makes mistakes, but I hope they don't do it twice....
On July 10 2011 01:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote: So according to Xeris, they did test out everything beforehand. In this case, you can't really fault them. Everyone makes mistakes, but I hope they don't do it twice....
Of course you can still fault them. It's just a matter of getting it right now. Luckily the tournament is spread over 3 days, and they have an excellent chance to make up for day 1 with day2/3.
On July 09 2011 07:33 Dustus wrote:... maybe people should lower expectaions and just enjoy it for what it is, and the season 2 finals will hopefull be better, much like collumbus was better then dallas. -
People are fast to try and crap all over something. If you don't like it don't watch it, or maybe you enjoy it now and watch as it improves. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Lower their expectations? With a tournament that sports a $100 000 prize pool? Are you serious?
I paid for the HD-pass. I paid to watch a tournament that was set to start at 8pm CEST, and have the last, and most worth while match to watch, start at 4am CEST. Now, tell me, please, why on earth I should be satisfied with this when they manage to pull the last match through 4 hours after it was originally set to start?
On July 10 2011 02:14 Jepsyn wrote: Just do not understand the mindless hate thrown at NASL for a few MINOR production glitches..
You really will not be able to understand it either. Some people just have that Hate gene somewhere inside of them, and feel it is their duty to freak out and start yelling obscenities at NASL for every mistake they make Others see the mistakes, and are upset by it, still cry a little about it, but move on with the game, and try to enjoy the matches. The difference between these two people is basically CAPS LOCK for their entire post.
NASL did not have a perfect stream at all yesterday, and I understand why some people will be upset about it, but some posters did act as if there life would soon end due to the sound quality, or the delays during some games. EDIT:
On July 10 2011 02:17 Barolt wrote: You mean the reasonable criticism from paying customers being given to NASL which could've been prevented by having someone actually doing PR?
No, this is not what he was talking about. He asked about the mindless hate, not the reasonable criticism. There was a lot of both in the LR from yesterday. One of them helps NASL improve, the other one makes people sound like ungrateful douche bags. There is a big difference.
No not reasonable at all Barolt 500 losers do not have the right to yell SOUND and do that stupid table flipping emote.... that is trolling. Im not after anyone that has a legitimate argument . Im gonna eat trolls
Why are you people complaining about single elimination? There was a 9 round round robin group stage over the past 3 months. It's like complaining that you only get 1 game in the NFL playoffs.
On July 10 2011 02:14 Jepsyn wrote: Just do not understand the mindless hate thrown at NASL for a few MINOR production glitches..
People are so used to the GSL and Dreamhack that they expect the exact same production values. NASL fixed their glitches faster than MLG Dallas. At any rate, I think NASL does have a future and I'm really enjoying these games, especially Zenio v Sen!
Also, I like the fact that they've started addressing their streaming problems. I used to get stutters in video a lot more often.
Right, Jepsyn, and we can all agree that's senseless. However, at the same time, there was no PR whatsoever from NASL yesterday, and I think a lot of the frustration and even the trolling came from the 2 hours before the first match with little to no communication, and no indication when the matches would start. This resulted in a lot of bored people who really just wanted to watch starcraft and support the NASL.
However, boredom plus the anonymity of the internet never ends well. I can come up with tons of solutions myself for how they could've filled the time, however. Put on an impromptu incontrol vs gretorp showmatch, or plott vs. plott. Any of these things would've entertained the audience, and kept down the anger and annoyance. Or even just a rescheduling of events indicating a start time, so people could move on to other things.
So did anyone here go to NASL? Trying to find first hand accounts of people who attended and what they thought of it. What did people do during all the downtimes? Was the event fun to attend?
On July 10 2011 02:33 Canucklehead wrote: So did anyone here go to NASL? Trying to find first hand accounts of people who attended and what they thought of it. What did people do during all the downtimes? Was the event fun to attend?
Had a friend who attended. He said it wasn't bad, was cool to see some of the people in person.
However, he went home to watch the last set of games on his computer, because he had nothing to do during the downtime at the venue. At home he could at least play games during downtime.
On July 10 2011 02:33 Canucklehead wrote: So did anyone here go to NASL? Trying to find first hand accounts of people who attended and what they thought of it. What did people do during all the downtimes? Was the event fun to attend?
On July 10 2011 02:14 Jepsyn wrote: Just do not understand the mindless hate thrown at NASL for a few MINOR production glitches..
People are so used to the GSL and Dreamhack that they expect the exact same production values. NASL fixed their glitches faster than MLG Dallas. At any rate, I think NASL does have a future and I'm really enjoying these games, especially Zenio v Sen!
Also, I like the fact that they've started addressing their streaming problems. I used to get stutters in video a lot more often.
Before this started all they did was hype about how great the production values would be. They didn't deliver on that. They told us how great the live event would be and...
that fell through too, with tons of amateurish mistakes. Terrible way to spend $25
Sounds like the person on reddit had an amazing time.. I am gonna make it a point to get down to wherever they are holding the finals next season and i will also happily sub again... NASL!!!!
I just wrote an amazing paragraph flaming the people who keep bringing negativity to the forums, I deleted it instead because I realize now that I was just mad at them for being idiots and would rather just cheer on NASL for putting on an extremely entertaining tournament!
this interviewer is so stupid... "is this your first NASL event youve come to or have u attended some others".. ITS THE FIRST ONE LIKE OMG GET SOME NON-IDIOTS!
I think if all my weekend plans involved watching the NASL finals (and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that) I would be upset by the constant downtime between matches. But, because I have it on in the background while doing much-needed cleaning of my apartment, NASL is working pretty well for me.
Am I the only one that thinks the gal that was interviewing the crowd was just a gf of an audience member who found a mic and a camera man and just decided to interview people?
Working hard as Diggity interview White-Ra for a Reddit AMA two feets from me. Just finished uploading some of my crowd shoots from last night. More to follow if the press internet cooperates.
@DarkDolphin - My bad. I played WC1, WC2, SC1 (but not the expansion), WC3 and now SC2 (I am old). Sorry for my ignorance of the BW cinematic music.
I'm not trying to be snarky, I truly apologize for a dumb comment--I try not to reveal my ignorance too frequently.
Re: NASL, I am finding that once they start the player intro videos, I have time to move all the furniture out of a room and vacuum before the match starts.
That said, the stream has been stable, which I think means NASL comes out ahead of MLG Dallas so far.
i've only been able to catch the last few games of the 2 days so far. I think it's pretty nice production value seeing how most of these people probably never did an event as large as this.
On July 10 2011 02:33 Canucklehead wrote: So did anyone here go to NASL? Trying to find first hand accounts of people who attended and what they thought of it. What did people do during all the downtimes? Was the event fun to attend?
So far it has been a blast. The crowd is doing a great job of getting into the games. You could totally feel the tension during the games especially the MC Sen game. During the down time you can go watch some of the pros warm up or meet and talk to other pros and the casters. In my opinion the downtime is not too much. I think they did a great job of keeping the schedule going (after day 1 and the broken projecter delay).
On July 10 2011 02:33 Canucklehead wrote: So did anyone here go to NASL? Trying to find first hand accounts of people who attended and what they thought of it. What did people do during all the downtimes? Was the event fun to attend?
So far it has been a blast. The crowd is doing a great job of getting into the games. You could totally feel the tension during the games especially the MC Sen game. During the down time you can go watch some of the pros warm up or meet and talk to other pros and the casters. In my opinion the downtime is not too much. I think they did a great job of keeping the schedule going (after day 1 and the broken projecter delay).
I agree with this assessment. This is my 2nd live SC2 event, Blizzcon was my first. It's really entertaining and I'm having a blast. I almost decided not to go because friends bailed on me and I had to go alone. I am glad I didn't. As someone told me, You're never alone with SC2 fans.
Down time speeds by with the booths and pros/casters walking around. Not to mention all the attendees around to actually talk Starcraft with, Cafe, bar, and the need to stretch your legs. The only negative is that the chairs are extremely uncomfortable. I'm in pain from sitting in them all day, but its well worth it to see live games.
Im sorry to say this but these Finals are veeeery poor produced till now. its like every ten minutes u see a failure in lights or camera movement. I mean u can say: its all live and stuff and mistakes happen but they happen to frequently at these finals i think. Besides that: MC is like the funniest guy ive ever seen. His interview after he beat up SeleCT was just hilarious. This Guy is so funny i cant stand it :-) such a great entertainer. His glasses were kinda Epic also^^.
On July 09 2011 10:29 Frostler wrote: Tastosis is saving the NASL.
You are right Tastosis is/are the best Casters that ever came to E-sports.
Tastosis saved E-sports alone.
They are the best.
I hope the NASL sorts out their technical issues.
Please people let people have constructive criticism of the issues at NASL. It should be addressed and i'm sure they're trying their best to resolve the issues.
heh, the individual div tags are so messed up for this post but yeah i guess thats symbolic of NASL thus far,.... if u want help making forum posts i can help lol.....
Nasl was AWESOME idc what people say incontrols hype was totally on par with what is should have been what an awesome event.... there were some things they could have done better (had the hired me) but i mean,... still.. an amazing event well run and the stream even ran well for the finals.. gg nasl.. give me money next time though and i will make it even better
div tags are how the table-of-content for TeamLiquid articles are built. However, as a junior writer for TL, I has no access to inline HTML and requires one of the admins to manually enable the html for the topic every time I iterate a new version of the coverage.
Sorry, I am not very good at this yet, only being on staff for a month or so.
NASL certainly had its issues and you can see it is a fledgling outfit. Folks should remember it doesn't have the experience of the GSL bunch and probably no where near the budget.
There was certainly one thing that went right, the finals series of GAMES were awesome, the players certainly saved the NASL, much better than any GSL finals so far. If the NASL can lift their production values, they should learn alot from this, then the furture looks good. Before the finals I was debating whether I would bother signing up again, well the games won me over. I would like a lower quality VOD option though, Australians don't get unlimited internet...yet, we are a backwater so the high quality VODs kill me.
GJ NASL players !! they probably should have asked Tastosis to cast the finals if they were available. I can see why you should be loyal to Gretorp and INControl (who I thought did a good job) but if you have the option to get the best, take it. It's about building ESports atm which means the product must be as good as it can be.
On July 12 2011 12:37 Yobs wrote: NASL certainly had its issues and you can see it is a fledgling outfit. Folks should remember it doesn't have the experience of the GSL bunch and probably no where near the budget.
There was certainly one thing that went right, the finals series of GAMES were awesome, the players certainly saved the NASL, much better than any GSL finals so far. If the NASL can lift their production values, they should learn alot from this, then the furture looks good. Before the finals I was debating whether I would bother signing up again, well the games won me over. I would like a lower quality VOD option though, Australians don't get unlimited internet...yet, we are a backwater so the high quality VODs kill me.
GJ NASL players !! they probably should have asked Tastosis to cast the finals if they were available. I can see why you should be loyal to Gretorp and INControl (who I thought did a good job) but if you have the option to get the best, take it. It's about building ESports atm which means the product must be as good as it can be.
Yobs
On July 12 2011 12:55 OCsurfeR wrote:
Actually VODs are in fact now available in multiple resolutions and have been for several weeks. It was intermittent for a while as Justin.TV was in beta with the technology, but I believe it's been consistently up and running for a few weeks now.
We were very straight up with the community that we had requested this capability with Justin.TV right from the Season's start, and that JTV was aware of the request but that it was relatively low on their list of things to do with respect to making sure the live stream functioned properly. They got all of that squared away about 2/3 of the way through the season then tackled the VODs. I think they've done a stellar job in answering your request in a relatively short period of time.
Seems like LQ VODs have been available for all full-length shows since the playoffs. I don't know why NASL didn't announce it. People has been screaming for it since day 1, so even if it's in beta, everyone should know.
Actually VODs are in fact now available in multiple resolutions and have been for several weeks. It was intermittent for a while as Justin.TV was in beta with the technology, but I believe it's been consistently up and running for a few weeks now.
We were very straight up with the community that we had requested this capability with Justin.TV right from the Season's start, and that JTV was aware of the request but that it was relatively low on their list of things to do with respect to making sure the live stream functioned properly. They got all of that squared away about 2/3 of the way through the season then tackled the VODs. I think they've done a stellar job in answering your request in a relatively short period of time.
Seems like LQ VODs have been available for all full-length shows since the playoffs. I don't know why NASL didn't announce it. People has been screaming for it since day 1, so even if it's in beta, everyone should know.[/QUOTE]
Thanks OCSurfer your awesome, a bit late now though :D. I just checked and yes a simple right click selection will allow you low, medium and high quality. Low is still very watchable in full screen.
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