I'm really happy to announce that the Korean pro-gamer Seo Yong "Rain" Park has joined FnaticMSI today. We're all really excited to have such a great player with us and think it will be great to display his talent at international events and competitions.
Look forward to a lot more coverage and fun stuff from the team in the coming months, and of course interaction with Rain!
Here is Rain's statement:
“I am extremely excited and content upon joining team Fnatic and interacting with the current team members because I have always possessed great interest in the international Starcraft 2 community. Fnatic is a team with strong players in each race- for instance Fenix for Terran, Sen for Zerg, and TT1 for Protoss. I think it will be a good experience for me to have such stellar players as teammates and consider myself lucky to receive such an opportunity. Also, I will always put as much effort as possible so that I can perform well to not let both my fans and Fnatic’s fans disappointed.”
I've never really enjoyed his playstyle, but I do find it amazing that he had been able to retain such a high level of play (code S) using that style, even when people knew it was coming. He had refined it quite a bit.
Screw the haters, results are results, I look forward to seeing more of this guy.
So why did he drop out of Code S anyway, when he could have continued on? I mean the next big event is MLG and that's only towards the end of GSL July.
EDIT: Ah, just read the thing. So he's moving the US eh. Wonder what for though. Fnatic don't have a practise house up yet do they? (besides the Catz and Drewbie house in Florida?)
On June 25 2011 10:12 pdd wrote: So why did he drop out of Code S anyway, when he could have continued on? I mean the next big event is MLG and that's only towards the end of GSL July.
100% speculation, but I'd assume it has something to do with desires to leave TSL, along with FruitDealer and Tester... Granted I suppose if he's there, he could have still participated teamless.
Wow, this is awesome! I had kind of forgotten about wondering which team Rain was going to join haha.
Grats to both parties! Particularly Fnatic though, I don't think a Korean progamer needs to be congratulated for being accepted by a foreigner team. xD
Congrats to Rain. I definitely thought fnatic was one of the likely teams to pick him up, alongside Reign and FXO. He should be a good addition. Good luck to Rain and FXO! Now there are 3 foreign teams with Koreans on them.
On June 25 2011 10:12 pdd wrote: So why did he drop out of Code S anyway, when he could have continued on? I mean the next big event is MLG and that's only towards the end of GSL July.
100% speculation, but I'd assume it has something to do with desires to leave TSL, along with FruitDealer and Tester... Granted I suppose if he's there, he could have still participated teamless.
FruitDealer and Tester also want to leave TSL? Didn't Tester start the team after leaving oGs? Why would he leave. Or did you mean Rain wants to get away from those players? What? May I ask why you are speculating that?
WoW seems pretty awesome how some koreans are joining foreign teams. Wonder how this turns out later on, like will they be bmed for betraying their country ! or influence more koreans to join.
On June 25 2011 10:09 Xeris wrote: Fnatic is a team with strong players in each race- for instance Fenix for Terran, Sen for Zerg, TT1 for Protoss and Rain (myself) for cheese
I did see this coming though, in the Rain leaves Team TSL thread, I saw someone talking about Rain playing with fnatic members or something along those lines. Not surprised at all hope to see him do well in future endeavors
Can someone link me the speculation that FruitDealer and/or Tester might leave TSL? I was under the impression that Tester was a founder of the team with FruitDealer, and they have been relatively successful... not that I'm a fan of the team.
I am predicting this to be the first of many korean progamers to make the switch to international teams. It gives them so many more options and will probably increase their fanbase.
I think it's time we give Rain a clean slate. Especially now since he's in a foreign team. I'm looking forward to seeing his new image. Good luck to him!
This is unusual seeing another Korean being picked up by a foreign team, but picking up Rain is a good move, despite how I think his playstyle is inferior.
He certainly is good enough to beat the best foreign players. He has a bad reputation, but his last games showed a very competent macro and some good decision making. Of course, he's one level below the truly good players from Code S, but he still is a good korean. And now, he's Top8 in the NASL qualifier, so i guess he has a really good shot at playing in the second season of the NASL tournament (if it happens). Fanatic is going to have a pretty strong line-up.
Is he moving in with Fenix in Arizona? Is that in the process of becoming a pro house?
Grats to Fnatic. Nice pickup. People can hate on Rain all they want but look how much he's owning in the NASL Open tourney. He was able to regain Code S and even showed glimpses of solid macro games during his up and down matches. He's going to be one of the top players in the foreign scene no matter how much people don't like him.
Can they use him in the EG Masters Cup Finals? No offense to Xeris, but I think Rain might be a little more solid in that slot
On June 25 2011 10:31 legaton wrote: He certainly is good enough to beat the best foreign players. He has a bad reputation, but his last games showed a very competent macro and some good decision making. Of course, he's one level below the truly good players from Code S, but he still is a good korean. And now, he's Top8 in the NASL qualifier, so i guess he has a really good shot at playing in the second season of the NASL tournament (if it happens). Fanatic is going to have a pretty strong line-up.
Incontrol already confirmed that there is going to be a second season of NASL and I think top 8 in the open tournament means he's in.
Wow, awesome and extremely impressive. Can't even begin to imagine how you'd get a visa for a pro gamer to work in the US... He should do well in NASL for sure.
So sick. I imagine fnatic's going to be that much harder to beat in a clan war now especially sense he is moving in to the US. Hope I run into him on ladder
That makes Rain the 6th Korean on a NA/EU team and the 3rd Korean SC2 progamer to make the switch from a Korean team to an NA/EU team (after Phoenix and Oz).
Sweet! Even though I'm cynical and fear that this foreigner-Korean interaction might die down in a few years, this is SO EXCITING!!! I'm so happy to see another Korean switching to a primarily foreigner team (the first being FXOz)
Edit:
Nope, I just learned that Fenix is Korean too. Well that's not embarrassing...
Congrats to FnaticMSI on the acquisition, and to Rain for finding a new team. Best of luck! Now time to wait and see if FruitDealer and Trickster join any international teams.
On June 25 2011 10:47 Datum wrote: Sweet! Even though I'm cynical and fear that this foreigner-Korean interaction might die down in a few years, this is SO EXCITING!!! I'm so happy to see another Korean switching to a primarily foreigner team (the first being FXOz)
Edit:
Nope, I just learned that Fenix is Korean too. Well that's not embarrassing...
Fenix is not korean...
Good pickup by Fnatic, cant wait to see Rain compete in NA tournaments
Congrats Rain and Fnatic! Rain is a super talented player, glad he got on a good team like Fnatic. They said something in the article about him living in the US, are you guys planning a team house or something?
On June 25 2011 10:47 Datum wrote: Sweet! Even though I'm cynical and fear that this foreigner-Korean interaction might die down in a few years, this is SO EXCITING!!! I'm so happy to see another Korean switching to a primarily foreigner team (the first being FXOz)
Edit:
Nope, I just learned that Fenix is Korean too. Well that's not embarrassing...
Fenix is not korean...
Good pickup by Fnatic, cant wait to see Rain compete in NA tournaments
On June 25 2011 10:57 Xeris wrote: Rain can play in the EG Masters Cup Playoffs, but he might not be able to play because he's moving to the USA that weekend.
On June 25 2011 10:57 Xeris wrote: Rain can play in the EG Masters Cup Playoffs, but he might not be able to play because he's moving to the USA that weekend.
Awesome pickup! Bringing the sc2 community more and more together. really love your effort. would be cool if you could drop some more knowledge about how and with who he is going to live in the us. since if he would be on his own it wouldnt be that great form him i guess? so maybe a fnatic team house?
Non-koreans going to korea to train with koreans, koreans coming to train outside of korea with non-koreans, this is the way SC2 must grow and improve. Not the junk Catz is suggesting.
1) Rain is only 17, far away from military mandates.
2) He's not living where Fenix is. Fenix is living with his uncle in Arizona right now. Rain is moving in with some friends in New York to train and practice.
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
How is Rain a great pick?
He is not very good...
edit: okay okay maybes hes average in foreign scene and bad compared to korean scene
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
How is Rain a great pick?
He is not very good...
He is way above average compared to the majority of the foreign scene.
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
How is Rain a great pick?
He is not very good...
Have you actually seen his games past season 3? -_-
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
How is Rain a great pick?
He is not very good...
Not very good by korea standard(which is a bit harsh since he is code s)=awesome outside of korea. + Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
How is Rain a great pick?
He is not very good...
Uhhh, maybe not by Korean standards (and even then, he's not "bad"). But he can probably roflstomp the collective asses of most foreigners.
On June 25 2011 11:17 rapidtransit247 wrote: So here's my question: What is TSL now that they've lost Rain, Fruitdealer, and Trickster?
Cliiiiiiiiiiide. Until he leaves for sixjax, I guess.
I think this may be a bit of a trend forming. Since Foreigner tournaments are where the money is at, Koreans want to play in foreign tournaments. Korean teams, are all based in Korea, and while you might get sent to one or two, chances are you won't get sent to all of them (unless you are MC or Moon. Those two are everywhere). Thus it makes sense that Koreans want to join foreign teams who will take them to all the big foreign tournaments.
Ironically, the Foreign Scene may just swallow the Korean scene (not likely, but possible)
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
On June 25 2011 11:17 rapidtransit247 wrote: So here's my question: What is TSL now that they've lost Rain, Fruitdealer, and Trickster?
Killer and Clide have gotten much better results then them in individual leagues recently whilst aLive is the one that has performed most of the work/wins in GSTL... so looking at recent results, losing those 3 isn't much of a big deal.
It's really cool to see a Korean player come to North America for a change. Should be a great experience (and probably a big confidence booster when he starts owning face in North America) for him.
Everyone used to trash this guy and say how much of a shitty player he was. Now he is on a foreign team and everyone is heralding it as a "great pickup". Rofl, that's almost as funny as Rain's style of play.
Not going to lie, this is a terrible pick up in my opinion. All I've seen from Rain in constant random success with all ins. The only positive thing I can gain from this is that another korean goes to a foreign team.
On June 25 2011 11:15 Irave wrote: Great pick up by Fnatic. Glad to see that teams are willing to pick up Koreans. Now who will be the new team for FD and SKS.
On June 25 2011 11:51 last light wrote: Everyone used to trash this guy and say how much of a shitty player he was. Now he is on a foreign team and everyone is heralding it as a "great pickup". Rofl, that's almost as funny as Rain's style of play.
He's easily better than 99% of foreigners so yea its a great pickup. He only really struggles against high S class players but could hang with most code S players...how many foreigners can say that? Obviously it wouldn't be such a great pickup for a team like ogs or IM but for any foreign team he's instantly their top player pretty much
On June 25 2011 11:15 Xeris wrote: 1) Rain is only 17, far away from military mandates.
2) He's not living where Fenix is. Fenix is living with his uncle in Arizona right now. Rain is moving in with some friends in New York to train and practice.
Surprised no one asked this about Rain: is he planing to attend College in the USA? It'd explain a whole lot about leaving TSL & moving Stateside. It's also put him in roughly the same category as SeleCT & Moonan. And explain why he was so busy during a few of the GSL prep periods.
I didn't see this coming but more Koreans joining foreign teams? Badass. Hopefully he will be at more foreign lans too. Poor TSL though, losing 3 of their most important members.
Fnatic.Rain really does sound fitting for this guy. He's a very strong player with great fundamentals and experience (alot) with Korean training. Moving the the US should be a piece of cake for him, and judging based off his NASL open tournament results, he should be an immediate-impact player.
On June 25 2011 11:15 Xeris wrote: 1) Rain is only 17, far away from military mandates.
2) He's not living where Fenix is. Fenix is living with his uncle in Arizona right now. Rain is moving in with some friends in New York to train and practice.
Surprised no one asked this about Rain: is he planing to attend College in the USA? It'd explain a whole lot about leaving TSL & moving Stateside. It's also put him in roughly the same category as SeleCT & Moonan. And explain why he was so busy during a few of the GSL prep periods.
Good move by Fnatic and Rain. Now I wonder which team FD and Tester would join. They are not very far from their military service, so it is more likely Korean team, but maybe other foreign team may have interest in them.
Hate to be that guy but, you should reconsider the thread name. Since you're a part of fnatic why don't you title it "FnaticMSI welcomes Rain" or something along those lines. "Rain to FnaticMSI" makes it sound like an outside source is reporting it. Just nitpicking :O
OT: Nice pickup, wasn't he adapting his playstyle lets hope hes just as good as that as he was cheesing. :D
good to see that Koreans will be flying out to international events to showcase their skills. This is an exciting development and trend in this world of SC
idk if this has been answered yet, but why exactly did rain quit gsl? he was in code s q.q and finally starting to show us legit games nvm it was said in the link why he left
On June 25 2011 14:50 OnFiRe888 wrote: idk if this has been answered yet, but why exactly did rain quit gsl? he was in code s q.q and finally starting to show us legit games nvm it was said in the link why he left
Because he moves to New York this weekend. (For anyone that doesn't read the links)
On June 25 2011 14:38 human_ko wrote: wow what a replay pack! he loses like every game, no wonder why. im not sure why they picked rain honestly
What does that even mean? He loses like every game, no wonder why? I don't even know how to interpret that. I'm pretty sure Rain is the best player in Fnatic.MSI by quite a bit.
I don't even think you follow competitive Starcraft at all. Rain lost to MC in the finals of GSL 3, and maintained Code S until he decided to withdraw from his Code S spot to attend foreign events, aside from being relegated to Code A for one season where he took 8th place and re qualified.
Please enlighten me with one person from Fnatic who has displayed results even 1/16 of Rain. From now on when you plan on commenting, write it down on a piece of paper, and burn it.
On June 25 2011 15:08 1oo wrote: this is weird, im not sure how i feel with all the koreans joining the teams, feels cheap.
Koreans are regular people too you know, except for language there's no real reason for this not to happen with the popularity of sc2 in the west. No need to be condescending.
On June 25 2011 14:38 human_ko wrote: wow what a replay pack! he loses like every game, no wonder why. im not sure why they picked rain honestly
What does that even mean? He loses like every game, no wonder why? I don't even know how to interpret that. I'm pretty sure Rain is the best player in Fnatic.MSI by quite a bit.
I don't even think you follow competitive Starcraft at all. Rain lost to MC in the finals of GSL 3, and maintained Code S until he decided to withdraw from his Code S spot to attend foreign events, aside from being relegated to Code A for one season where he took 8th place and re qualified.
Please enlighten me with one person from Fnatic who has displayed results even 1/16 of Rain. From now on when you plan on commenting, write it down on a piece of paper, and burn it.
okay cool. but anyway, I watched 2 reps of the pack, and both games he lost convincingly. why would they post such a replay pack.. also that opinion of mine I have on him was made after seeing him lose in such terrible ways.. but code s or not..
On June 25 2011 14:38 human_ko wrote: wow what a replay pack! he loses like every game, no wonder why. im not sure why they picked rain honestly
What does that even mean? He loses like every game, no wonder why? I don't even know how to interpret that. I'm pretty sure Rain is the best player in Fnatic.MSI by quite a bit.
I don't even think you follow competitive Starcraft at all. Rain lost to MC in the finals of GSL 3, and maintained Code S until he decided to withdraw from his Code S spot to attend foreign events, aside from being relegated to Code A for one season where he took 8th place and re qualified.
Please enlighten me with one person from Fnatic who has displayed results even 1/16 of Rain. From now on when you plan on commenting, write it down on a piece of paper, and burn it.
okay cool. but anyway, I watched 2 reps of the pack, and both games he lost convincingly. why would they post such a replay pack.. also that opinion of mine I have on him was made after seeing him lose in such terrible ways.. but code s or not..
You're reasoning is suspect. You don't know why they recruited Rain because you observed him losing 2 ladder games. Your statement holds no water. He is the best, and most accomplished player on Fnatic by 10 fold.
I see the SC2 scene moving in the right direction : international teams and tournaments.
Saying I'm a fan of Rain would make me a total hypocrit, but still I wish him and Fnatic the best of luck simply because this news is good for e-sports.
On June 25 2011 15:08 1oo wrote: this is weird, im not sure how i feel with all the koreans joining the teams, feels cheap.
Koreans are regular people too you know, except for language there's no real reason for this not to happen with the popularity of sc2 in the west. No need to be condescending.
I dont mean it that way, when i said cheap i meant teams should support non-korean talent instead cheap korean wins.
If ur gona have a non korean team vs a korean team where both teams r full of koreans, whats the point of that ? theres no excitement.
I am disappoint, Liquid Rain would have been the best id ever :/ gz to fnatic anyway, it is kinda funny that their other terran(fenix) is starting up in code a right after raid drops out.
On June 25 2011 15:08 1oo wrote: this is weird, im not sure how i feel with all the koreans joining the teams, feels cheap.
Koreans are regular people too you know, except for language there's no real reason for this not to happen with the popularity of sc2 in the west. No need to be condescending.
I dont mean it that way, when i said cheap i meant teams should support non-korean talent instead cheap korean wins.
If ur gona have a non korean team vs a korean team where both teams r full of koreans, whats the point of that ? theres no excitement.
I wonder if eventually all these "foreign" teams drop all their current players eventually and it will just be Koreans. Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth?
I totally understand what you mean though. It's like watching your local sports team try hard season after season then they just sign on some superstars.
At least FXO is using their Korean acquisition for potential coaching and are making serious actual efforts to be an actual team that practices together. (Of course... they have resources to do that unlike other teams, so that's not fair )
On June 25 2011 16:50 StyLeD wrote: Liquid hasn't signed a new player in a long time. I wonder why...
Because their roster is the size they want it to be.
Probably. They should get ToD though!
ot: Strange, Fenix going to Korea, Rain to USA. I somewhat think that Rain did want to go to USA regardless, maybe he wants to study or something? Don't think he will have enough training partners over there.
Rain is very underrated. Did you know he just blasted through the open bracket of the Nasl and is now qualified? The koreans didn't lose a single match except against each other lol.
Wow, congrats to both team and player. Its huge that a foreigner team is able to sign any Korean player. It's also really cool that Rain recognizes the foreigner community. Great news!
Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
Edit:
On June 25 2011 16:28 Kraznaya wrote: -> join foreigner team
-> instantly double your own fanbase
The lack of standards shown by the foreigner community on who to root for is honestly pretty disappointing.
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
People hate him because he cheesed fan favourite Nestea out of the GSL. I'd be pretty excited to see what kind of cheeses Rain can introduce into Fnatic players' arsenals :D
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
People hate him because he cheesed fan favourite Nestea out of the GSL. I'd be pretty excited to see what kind of cheeses Rain can introduce into Fnatic players' arsenals :D
I know why people hate(d) him.. but the fact that half of them dont any more purely because he joined a foreign team seems extremely weak-minded and bias..
lol did he go out of his way to pick his absolute worst replays for that pack? I mean it's cool that he'd give out some of his replays, but their quality is quite lacking.
To be honest, I think his old teammates were more "stellar" than his new ones are. Anyways, not sure if that was the right move for FnaticMSI, but I believe in their judgement.
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
I hope you cross-checked all the names in this thread against the posts made flaming. I somehow doubt you'll find that 90% of them were indeed who you're pointing fingers at.
That aside, I'm decidedly not a fan of Rain, but this is a really, really interesting step forward for SC2 globally. It's cool to hear, regardless of who it is.
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
I hope you cross-checked all the names in this thread against the posts made flaming. I somehow doubt you'll find that 90% of them were indeed who you're pointing fingers at.
Its not just the names individually.. The general opinion as a whole seems to have changed drastically with this news..
Every team has limited roaster size. This might imply that Sen will not renew his contract with Fnatic at end of his contract year, which is this year.
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
On June 25 2011 16:28 Kraznaya wrote: -> join foreigner team
-> instantly double your own fanbase
The lack of standards shown by the foreigner community on who to root for is honestly pretty disappointing.
This.
There are 10-20k on TL.net all the time. That's 10-20K opinions. To hold a poster's opinion or even 50 posted opinions as an opinion voiced by the entire SC2 community is quite frankly stupid.
This is really really cool I am very excited to hear of Korea players going to foreign teams and the advancement of international teams. E-sports growinggggggggggggg!
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
Edit:
On June 25 2011 16:28 Kraznaya wrote: -> join foreigner team
-> instantly double your own fanbase
The lack of standards shown by the foreigner community on who to root for is honestly pretty disappointing.
This.
There are 10-20k on TL.net all the time. That's 10-20K opinions. To hold a poster's opinion or even 50 posted opinions as an opinion voiced by the entire SC2 community is quite frankly stupid.
thank you sir, my thought exactly.
now on topic: I am excited to see how this plays out for everyone and how Rain does in international tournaments.
Nice, really nice. NA was lately not so solid when it comes to tournaments, Koreans and Euros taking all the wins. Now they'll have their own Korean to take the prizes. :D Good pickup, wonder how will he do.
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
Dangit Xeris, you guys were hard enough to play in all the team leagues as is.
All jokes aside, congrats to Rain and Fnatic. Rain now has one of the hardest working managers in all of eSports. That can help a player way more then most people imagine.
Congrats to fnatic and wish Rain all the best,altough I'm really more curious now to see where Tester and FD are going to end up. I expected Rain to be moving outside of Korea when it was announced that he was leaving his team,I wonder if hes going to attend college in US as well.
Tester has always been good friends with Artosis and Nick,but i somehow don't see him joining SixJax since Artosis still lives in Korea,and i would asume that Tester and FD want to leave Korea as Rain did.
On June 25 2011 16:11 1oo wrote: I dont mean it that way, when i said cheap i meant teams should support non-korean talent instead cheap korean wins.
If ur gona have a non korean team vs a korean team where both teams r full of koreans, whats the point of that ? theres no excitement.
I don't even want to know what kind of a fucked up view on people and races you have to begin with if the only excitement you can get comes from teams divided by race and nationality.
You and a lot of others seems to be forgetting something when you talk in words like that -> Fnatic is a business. Do you think it would have mattered two shits if Rain was Chinese, Norwegian or Australian as long as he would bring whatever he brings (and that remains to be seen tbh..) to their table?? When you sign players of this caliber you often have one and/or two goals with it. Publicity and skill.
Why anyone ever would want to divide the scene into strictly korean teams vs foreigner teams is beyond me, it seems so extremely narrowminded.
On June 25 2011 16:11 1oo wrote: I dont mean it that way, when i said cheap i meant teams should support non-korean talent instead cheap korean wins.
If ur gona have a non korean team vs a korean team where both teams r full of koreans, whats the point of that ? theres no excitement.
I don't even want to know what kind of a fucked up view on people and races you have to begin with if the only excitement you can get comes from teams divided by race and nationality.
You and a lot of others seems to be forgetting something when you talk in words like that -> Fnatic is a business. Do you think it would have mattered two shits if Rain was Chinese, Norwegian or Australian as long as he would bring whatever he brings (and that remains to be seen tbh..) to their table?? When you sign players of this caliber you often have one and/or two goals with it. Publicity and skill.
Why anyone ever would want to divide the scene into strictly korean teams vs foreigner teams is beyond me, it seems so extremely narrowminded.
oh wow, am i speaking about fnatic business ? no, i could care less about their business, i only expressed my feelings as a fan of the sport. did i said devide stricly into korean teams vs foreigner? no.
if u dont get my point then thats ur problem, but dont try to turn things around with shit i didnt say lol. and about "fucked view on people and races" wtf are u talking about LOL
On June 25 2011 16:11 1oo wrote: I dont mean it that way, when i said cheap i meant teams should support non-korean talent instead cheap korean wins.
If ur gona have a non korean team vs a korean team where both teams r full of koreans, whats the point of that ? theres no excitement.
I don't even want to know what kind of a fucked up view on people and races you have to begin with if the only excitement you can get comes from teams divided by race and nationality.
You and a lot of others seems to be forgetting something when you talk in words like that -> Fnatic is a business. Do you think it would have mattered two shits if Rain was Chinese, Norwegian or Australian as long as he would bring whatever he brings (and that remains to be seen tbh..) to their table?? When you sign players of this caliber you often have one and/or two goals with it. Publicity and skill.
Why anyone ever would want to divide the scene into strictly korean teams vs foreigner teams is beyond me, it seems so extremely narrowminded.
oh wow, am i speaking about fnatic business ? no, i could care less about their business, i only expressed my feelings as a fan of the sport. did i said devide stricly into korean teams vs foreigner? no.
if u dont get my point then thats ur problem, but dont try to turn things around with shit i didnt say lol. and about "fucked view on people and races" wtf are u talking about LOL
Apparently you watch Starcraft only to see some racist playoff between people from South Korea and people from anywhere else, that's really really sad. How about you just forget about whereever the guy playing popped out of his mother and just enjoy the game and good play?
On June 25 2011 19:32 DennyR wrote: even tho its a pretty big thing to see koreans join foreign teams, I think rain is not of a caliber as maybe polt, mma or MC
He's still a Code S level player and as the NASL Qualifiers showed anyone on a Korean pro team is competitive at the highest level in NA.
On June 25 2011 19:21 Ghostface_Killa wrote: I only disliked Rain because he'd apologized for cheesing people. Win or lose you don't apologize for how you do it.
That said, I'm willing to forget about all of that because Rain is the first well-known Korean player to make such a ballsy move.
He only apologised because he got a tremendous amount of hate on the PlayXP forums...
On June 25 2011 19:21 Ghostface_Killa wrote: I only disliked Rain because he'd apologized for cheesing people. Win or lose you don't apologize for how you do it.
That said, I'm willing to forget about all of that because Rain is the first well-known Korean player to make such a ballsy move.
He only apologised because he got a tremendous amount of hate on the PlayXP forums...
Thanks, I wouldn't have figured that out without your help.
On June 25 2011 19:21 Ghostface_Killa wrote: I only disliked Rain because he'd apologized for cheesing people. Win or lose you don't apologize for how you do it.
That said, I'm willing to forget about all of that because Rain is the first well-known Korean player to make such a ballsy move.
He only apologised because he got a tremendous amount of hate on the PlayXP forums...
Thanks, I wouldn't have figured that out without your help.
Sup with the attitude today?
Anyway, this is cool news. Looking forward to see him at events. )
Cool news, I hope he crushes and makes all the irrational haters cry salty, salty tears. I'm not even a fan or anything, I'm just an anti-fan of internet stupidity.
Very cool to see, good pick up for fnatic. He's posted some decent results lately too, r8 in the LG special league and qualifying for NASL S2 already.
I'm not sure when you guys had this completely lined up by, but you must be pretty happy to see him make it into one of the bigger Western events to start with =)
On June 25 2011 16:11 1oo wrote: I dont mean it that way, when i said cheap i meant teams should support non-korean talent instead cheap korean wins.
If ur gona have a non korean team vs a korean team where both teams r full of koreans, whats the point of that ? theres no excitement.
I don't even want to know what kind of a fucked up view on people and races you have to begin with if the only excitement you can get comes from teams divided by race and nationality.
You and a lot of others seems to be forgetting something when you talk in words like that -> Fnatic is a business. Do you think it would have mattered two shits if Rain was Chinese, Norwegian or Australian as long as he would bring whatever he brings (and that remains to be seen tbh..) to their table?? When you sign players of this caliber you often have one and/or two goals with it. Publicity and skill.
Why anyone ever would want to divide the scene into strictly korean teams vs foreigner teams is beyond me, it seems so extremely narrowminded.
oh wow, am i speaking about fnatic business ? no, i could care less about their business, i only expressed my feelings as a fan of the sport. did i said devide stricly into korean teams vs foreigner? no.
if u dont get my point then thats ur problem, but dont try to turn things around with shit i didnt say lol. and about "fucked view on people and races" wtf are u talking about LOL
Apparently you watch Starcraft only to see some racist playoff between people from South Korea and people from anywhere else, that's really really sad. How about you just forget about whereever the guy playing popped out of his mother and just enjoy the game and good play?
I think you've misunderstood him. I think he's saying he would rather see these teams develop and invest in the foreign SC2 scene, because the Koreans have shown they are more than capable of developing and sustaining their own industry.
anyways, i've also got mixed feelings about this because we went down the same road in Warcraft 3, and that didn't end pretty. gl to Rain and Fnatic
On June 25 2011 15:19 viii wrote: Why are more koreans leaving their own korean teams? Well, good for Fnatic to get another player
More tournaments, more participation, more fans.
People have been saying this for a while now, but while the Korean scene kinda stagnated over the last year (with GSL... and then not much else), the international scene has grown sooo much with huge new tournaments popping up left and right, it's not surprising that Korean players want to get involved, play in more tournaments and interact with the bigger community.
Hmm wow. I guess we knew it was going to happen, but didn't think I'd see him get picked up by Fnatic.
I'm not a huge fan (yet), mostly due to, well, I'm sure certain antics have been discussed to death already earlier in the thread, but I am of Fnatic, which doesn't seem like a team to pick someone up just to have their own Korean. And he's doing an IdrA (the kind where you move, not the kind where you leave, though I guess he's doing that too!), which is pretty big O_o
So let's give the guy a shot eh? Grats to all involved, hope to see great things from him in the future.
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
I hope you cross-checked all the names in this thread against the posts made flaming. I somehow doubt you'll find that 90% of them were indeed who you're pointing fingers at.
Its not just the names individually.. The general opinion as a whole seems to have changed drastically with this news..
Maybe they're not the same people? Maybe the people posting trollish comments in LR threads aren't the same kind of people who'd post cheery comments in a fnatic announcement thread?
Maybe "the general opinion as a whole" has changed - or maybe it hasn't because you can't infer "the general opinion" of 20k Team Liquid people from ~100 posts?
The other guy who inferred the whole "foreigner community" from one TL thread is even worse. :lol
I simply hate thoughtless blanket statements like that. :/
On June 25 2011 17:13 IceSlipper wrote: Hilarious, all the disgusting hate against Rain while he was playing in the GSL, and now he joins a foreign team you guys are all over him..
I recognize that you are saying its great for the foreign scene to have a korean pro gamer joining a foreign team, regardless of who (and i totally agree), but come on guys.. could you be any more bias?
Really..? During/after his GSL run 90% you guys were spewing trash like 'Rain is a "disgraceful cheese noob" that "doesnt know how to macro" and "needs to be out of code s/a" '...
Now he joins a foreign team and all of a sudden 90% of the comments about him are 'great pickup for sure', 'great player that will prove all the haters wrong', 'underrated player'..
It reminds me of the weak-minded people who watch WWE (not everyone who watches WWE), the ones that cheer for the wrestler that is written to be 'the good guy', rather than picking someone THEY like and cheering for him..
Its one thing to say its great for the scene.. But its a joke how the opinions of him as a player change so drastically just because he joins a foreign team..
Now i never hated on Rain as a player (nor liked him much really) but it will be interesting to see how this pans out for both fnatic and rain! Definitely great for the foreign scene (and potentially the korean scene too)!
On June 25 2011 23:12 price wrote: i havent been watching rain since several seasons back ... when he marine scv'ed his way past neastea. so i assume he has developed his other builds?
It's nice to see more Koreans joining foreign teams, I have to say that I share the seeming consensus on Rain. Hes a very one dimensional all-inish player, a lot like thebestfou. It's still nice for the scene I guess.
Lol all the hate in this thread, I honestly can't till he comes and crushes faces in the West. His TvT and TvP are sick good, he just needs some TvZ practice - with Sen I think he'll really start improving.
Great job to fnatic, all the flamers and haters should go back to CoD.
Amazing pickup for Fnatic... Holy shit if FD and Tester join foreign teams and this movement continues, I can't even begin to describe how this could completely change the face of eSports and sc2.
gretorp tt1 and rain on the same team with this and recent coL merger (cruncher drewbie catZ on same team) foreign teams are really starting to rival korean teams . what an exciting year for eSporting.
On June 26 2011 00:53 Juanald wrote: gretorp tt1 and rain on the same team with this and recent coL merger (cruncher drewbie catZ on same team) foreign teams are really starting to rival korean teams . what an exciting year for eSporting.
Gretorp isn't on FnaticMSI.
On June 26 2011 00:05 Completley wrote: where was he before?
revoki? I kinda remember seeing a revrain, but it's probably a different one
This has definitely already been said but it's my opinion :
Would have enjoyed seeing Rain join Team Reign but glad to see a Korean join a non-korean team and thus seeing more and more Korean and mixed style in international tournaments.
I keep thinking the next top international players are the koreans who will insert a single drop of NA and EU to their style "mixture" and the collaboration between Rain and FnaticMSI sets the table for him to become that kind of "hybrid" player. I hope he has a lot of succes and enjoys his new team :D
(The same goes for EU and NA players mixing it up in korea..imo.)
Other than that, good luck, have fun with your new team !
The only thing I'm disappointed about is the lack of a "Rain Dies" video from GOM... alternatively, it would have been nice if he could have stuck around long enough to troll his Code S group before leaving :-P
I wonder if Fnatic will ever go to Korea to play in the GSTL. I mean Fenix is going there, Sen has played in the GSL before, and Rain obviously has a good amount of experience in Korea. I think it would be great to see more foreign teams in the GSTL, let's hope Fnatic is the next one there.
On June 25 2011 22:49 Odal wrote: Cool.. But he's going to need to prove that he doesn't just 2 base to earn my respect.
Yeah. That's his goal completely. Earn your respect, and then retire.
Have you ever even actually watched him play? I doubt you have ever bought a GSL pass.
He is extremely versatile, but since his risky all ins made a louder impact on the community everyone that reads TL suddenly knows EVERYTHING about any player that ever played competitively without ever actually watching them.
If you actually watched him you would be quite aware that his macro is better than most foreigner Terrans to say the least.
Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
On June 26 2011 05:42 two.watup wrote: Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
On June 26 2011 05:42 two.watup wrote: Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
On June 26 2011 05:42 two.watup wrote: Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
On June 26 2011 05:42 two.watup wrote: Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
You're right. Sen is not good at all.
You're right. Sen is Korean.
You're right. Sen is Taiwanese.
I was being incredibly openly sarcastic. Read the context of the conversation before throwing up on yourself.
The point stands, I posit that Sen would be a lot better if he was practicing in Taiwan, China, or Korea. Not to mention that a single example doesn't mean anything to the statement that training is better in Korea. Players like Sen and Naniwa may just have amazing solo practice schedules, most players don't. IdrA practices like 5 hours less in America than he did in Korea. It shows.
On June 26 2011 05:42 two.watup wrote: Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
You're right. Sen is not good at all.
You're right. Sen is Korean.
You're right. Sen is Taiwanese.
I was being incredibly openly sarcastic. Read the context of the conversation before throwing up on yourself.
The point stands, I posit that Sen would be a lot better if he was practicing in Taiwan, China, or Korea. Not to mention that a single example doesn't mean anything to the statement that training is better in Korea. Players like Sen and Naniwa may just have amazing solo practice schedules, most players don't. IdrA practices like 5 hours less in America than he did in Korea. It shows.
I will agree with you that Rain will probably get a little worse after spending over a year training in Korea. I don't think you can compare Select though since he never specifically trained for starcraft in Korea.
On June 26 2011 07:00 MildSeven wrote: lol, Rain is pretty bad
Have you ever posted anything constructive? I've read 4 posts from three different threads involving you bashing Day 9 with the same reasoning behind it. As bad as it was, AT LEAST you had reasoning.
Then you contribute to this cesspool of a thread with a one liner. Why are you here? You seem to be angry as you tread and troll through every thread you post in with subjective, irrelevant bullshit.
I got an idea. How about instead of derailing threads with your hate, you start a blog, on another site, for a different game, in another language, so that we don't have to read your non sense anymore. Go to E-Harmony in the hope that you will find someone as miserable as you are.
On June 26 2011 07:00 MildSeven wrote: lol, Rain is pretty bad
Have you ever posted anything constructive? I've read 4 posts from three different threads involving you bashing Day 9 with the same reasoning behind it. As bad as it was, AT LEAST you had reasoning.
Then you contribute to this cesspool of a thread with a one liner. Why are you here? You seem to be angry as you tread and troll through every thread you post in with subjective, irrelevant bullshit.
I got an idea. How about instead of derailing threads with your hate, you start a blog, on another site, for a different game, in another language, so that we don't have to read your non sense anymore. Go to E-Harmony in the hope that you will find someone as miserable as you are.
On June 26 2011 07:00 MildSeven wrote: lol, Rain is pretty bad
Have you ever posted anything constructive? I've read 4 posts from three different threads involving you bashing Day 9 with the same reasoning behind it. As bad as it was, AT LEAST you had reasoning.
Then you contribute to this cesspool of a thread with a one liner. Why are you here? You seem to be angry as you tread and troll through every thread you post in with subjective, irrelevant bullshit.
I got an idea. How about instead of derailing threads with your hate, you start a blog, on another site, for a different game, in another language, so that we don't have to read your non sense anymore. Go to E-Harmony in the hope that you will find someone as miserable as you are.
On June 26 2011 07:07 TheTrueAmerican wrote: same rain that gets mocked by tastosis and doesnt know how to make a 3rd base?
seems like more of a publicity thing than him actually winning tournaments overseas
Rain is a really solid Terran player. Most people are still mad about him all-inning his way into the finals of GSL.
He's shown more recently he can play macro games quite well (maybe not up to par with guys like MVP/Bomber/MMA), so all this talk about him being bad is annoying. He's on par with any non-Korean Terran IMO.
Lol @ people calling Rain pretty bad. Maybe in Code S he was indeed low-tier, but when he plays internationally, he'll likely be quite a strong player in most tournaments.
On June 26 2011 08:47 HolyArrow wrote: Lol @ people calling Rain pretty bad. Maybe in Code S he was indeed low-tier, but when he plays internationally, he'll likely be quite a strong player in most tournaments.
The thing is that in GSL he wasn't even low tier. He got second in a GSL tourney. That is hardly low tier. Did he do aggressive all in plays? Yes. Does that mean he can only all in? No. He just recognized holes in the play of the day, and took advantage of them. His recent play has not been as cheesy and has been quite solid.
whats up with the people who call rain bad and say he never takes a thirdbase? :S havent you guys been watching gsl? he plays great games and takes a third base frequently just because he cheesed out nestea in gsl 3 doesnt make him a bad player. Lets be honest, what would you do if you could win that much money by using a cheese nobody knows how to counter yet.
On June 26 2011 07:00 MildSeven wrote: lol, Rain is pretty bad
are u forgetting the GSL season he made it to the finals?... u dont make it to the finals by accident in the big leagues.
That said, players go hot and cold. Take Jinro: 2 straight semi-finals into someone who just can't seem to find a break and get a win. The game and players progress over time and people's rank in terms of skill and knowledge subsequently follows. There is no doubt that Rain has at least some high level technical skills because he has stayed in Code S for quite some time and indeed made it to the finals. That technical skill probably hasn't changed; however his strategy and choice in builds seems to have stunted.
I'm starting to like this trend of Korean progamers joining foreign teams, like with FXOz and now this, This brings both benefits for the Korean players so they may participate in global events, and for the foreign team members getting a chance to learn the methods of practice the Korean pros use *thumbs up*
Awesome news; the more international the scene grows the better for everyone. I think Rain will be able to be competitive in the foreign scene; either way this is exciting times!
The idiots in this thread are hilarious! Good luck to fnatic
On June 26 2011 11:38 bkrow wrote: Awesome news; the more international the scene grows the better for everyone. I think Rain will be able to be competitive in the foreign scene; either way this is exciting times!
The idiots in this thread are hilarious! Good luck to fnatic
this move is not UNPRECEDENTED! IdrA did the exact same thing prior to GSL March but decided to participate in the group selection anyway. Good luck to Rain and I hope he is able to continue his success outside Korea. I hope someday Fnatic will have their own pro gaming house in Korea.
Rain is actually a good Terran player, I wonder if he will be moving into the MSI team house if they have one ><, sounds like they can do really well from getting a Korean who knows a lot of the in and outs of Really long dedicated practice hours.
On June 26 2011 13:42 onedayclose wrote: this move is not UNPRECEDENTED! IdrA did the exact same thing prior to GSL March but decided to participate in the group selection anyway. Good luck to Rain and I hope he is able to continue his success outside Korea. I hope someday Fnatic will have their own pro gaming house in Korea.
Idra told GOM before the selection, but they wanted him to stay and do it. They wanted him to troll the selection day. That's why we got the "Idra's dead" montage during Code S that season.
On June 26 2011 05:42 two.watup wrote: Does anyone else feel like koreans joining foreigner teams is going to make the koreans worse?
Without the korean training effect, they'll just be foreigners, like SeleCT. Not that SeleCT isn't awesome, he's just not on the level of koreans anymore.
I think the more koreans leave korea, the more people might see that practice and devotion are a lot more important than nationality, look at HuK.
It's always cool to see multinational teams, but I don't think the results are going to be what people expect lol
(just to add, NA and EU metagames are probably a month behind KR, not to mention the KR ladder being much more competitive, paired with lower quality training partners, it just seems like the publicity of these koreans joining foreigner teams might not match up with the results)
I'm just throwing this out there, as far as the metagames go, I don't know if you remember when NaDa played Strelok in the NASL. Strelok did a pure mech TvT style and NaDa had no clue how to deal with it. He got absolutely destroyed by Strelok's TvT, which made me think that he had little experience dealing with that style of Terran. Pure mech is a lot more popular in the foreign scene and I wouldn't be surprised to see it used more and more in Korea as it can be effective.
That being said I agree that it's not the fact that a person is Korean that makes them good, it's the practice schedule. Outside of Korea, there aren't that many players who practice and prepare nearly as much as they do in Korea (ThorZaIN is one example of a foreigner who does practice as much I think) and it clearly shows.
On June 26 2011 11:38 bkrow wrote: Awesome news; the more international the scene grows the better for everyone. I think Rain will be able to be competitive in the foreign scene; either way this is exciting times!
The idiots in this thread are hilarious! Good luck to fnatic
My favorite replay in the pack was when he 2rax bunker rushed the Zerg on Alter, failed and let lings into his base and GGs. Truly an amazing game and a replay I will treasure and watch over and over.
Good on Rain for taking advantage of his skill and having the opportunity to travel the world, I wish him the best and hope having him on the team will have a good effect on the rest of fnatic.
On June 27 2011 13:03 Tenks wrote: My favorite replay in the pack was when he 2rax bunker rushed the Zerg on Alter, failed and let lings into his base and GGs. Truly an amazing game and a replay I will treasure and watch over and over.
On June 27 2011 13:03 Tenks wrote: My favorite replay in the pack was when he 2rax bunker rushed the Zerg on Alter, failed and let lings into his base and GGs. Truly an amazing game and a replay I will treasure and watch over and over.
Well this shows that he didnt pick out specific replays from his autosave folder as to say "look at me im so awesome" instead he just picked the most recent ones and didnt care whether he got raped silly or won
He is definitely underrated. His macro play isn't bad at all, its just that he commits to all-ins all to often. Hopefully he'll be able to change that and become a real spearhead for FnaticMSI.
never hated rain, felt sorry for him when he lost to inca. everyone has their bad days. he's a good player. they get angry because of his cheese in season 3. well there's nothing wrong with cheese, only loser scrubs get upset over it. if that was all he had in his arsenal, he would not have remained in code S. people forget that code S is the top elite of starcraft 2. these are literally the best players in the entire world.
really cool to see not only foreigners joining korean teams, but koreans joining foreign teams!! will be interested to see if any other koreans decide to do this, it will deffinitely bridge the gap somewhat between each nationalities play styles if this kind of thing continues
There's considerably more money in the foreigner scene right now then Korea. Wouldn't surprise me to see more Koreans sign up to foreign teams if it allows them to travel to major events.
On June 28 2011 06:55 Champi wrote: really cool to see not only foreigners joining korean teams, but koreans joining foreign teams!! will be interested to see if any other koreans decide to do this, it will deffinitely bridge the gap somewhat between each nationalities play styles if this kind of thing continues
A foreigner hasn't joined a Korean team since BW...
On June 28 2011 06:55 Champi wrote: really cool to see not only foreigners joining korean teams, but koreans joining foreign teams!! will be interested to see if any other koreans decide to do this, it will deffinitely bridge the gap somewhat between each nationalities play styles if this kind of thing continues
A foreigner hasn't joined a Korean team since BW...
Depending on playxp, Rain got suspended for 2 seasons for any GSL event. Google translator throwing some weird stuff out for me. anyone who speeks korean can translate the article ?
On June 28 2011 15:47 Skiba wrote: Depending on playxp, Rain got suspended for 2 years for any GSL event. Google translator throwing some weird stuff out for me. anyone who speeks korean can translate the article ?
The future of SC2 will be mastering the art of balancing your skill level by staying in Korea, and your winnings by staying in the rest of the world.
The longer you're out of Korea, the more your skills will fall, but you will be met with immediate success. The only person to fear is the next wave of players who come back/out of Korea.
Depending on playxp, Rain got suspended for 2 seasons for any GSL event. Google translator throwing some weird stuff out for me. anyone who speeks korean can translate the article ?
Did he get suspended before and then withdrew, or did he get suspended for withdrawing with no notice?
Depending on playxp, Rain got suspended for 2 seasons for any GSL event. Google translator throwing some weird stuff out for me. anyone who speeks korean can translate the article ?
Did he get suspended before and then withdrew, or did he get suspended for withdrawing with no notice?
I think he's saying he was suspended for dropping out mid-season, although if it's a 2 season suspension that seems reasonable.
My question is, when are you SUPPOSED to drop out of GSL? As far as I can tell, he gave as much notice as IdrA did. It's not like he played his first round games, moved up in the tournament, and then dropped out?
On June 28 2011 21:11 sylverfyre wrote: My question is, when are you SUPPOSED to drop out of GSL? As far as I can tell, he gave as much notice as IdrA did. It's not like he played his first round games, moved up in the tournament, and then dropped out?
Probably before the up and down matches but it's kind of a moot point since he isn't planning on playing in the GSL soon. The suspension really doesn't matter
On June 28 2011 06:55 Champi wrote: really cool to see not only foreigners joining korean teams, but koreans joining foreign teams!! will be interested to see if any other koreans decide to do this, it will deffinitely bridge the gap somewhat between each nationalities play styles if this kind of thing continues
I couldn't agree with this more.
It's finally saying, hey you know what, there's not a foreign and korean scene, there's a Starcraft 2 Scene which is how it should be!
On June 28 2011 06:55 Champi wrote: really cool to see not only foreigners joining korean teams, but koreans joining foreign teams!! will be interested to see if any other koreans decide to do this, it will deffinitely bridge the gap somewhat between each nationalities play styles if this kind of thing continues
I couldn't agree with this more.
It's finally saying, hey you know what, there's not a foreign and korean scene, there's a Starcraft 2 Scene which is how it should be!
Except the Korean is leaving the Korean Scene so he can make ez money off the Foreign Scene.
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sick
is no new terran for IdrA to practice with on EG. 
