EPTThe Official Live On Three Thread - Page 120
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Flobsen
Germany55 Posts
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
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tribulator
774 Posts
Bad News: Sick @djWHEAT = no show today. Good news: Doing long show on Sunday (2PM EDT) to cover all the news this week + open phones! | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 18 2012 06:02 ToguRo wrote: wheat has said multiple times ...that he is not a fan of shootmania and is not convinced at all that it will be a good game seems odd he gives shootmania such a hard time but praises LoL. Wonder why... Sucks no show tonight. It's the best esports related show around. I will miss it at work tomorrow.  | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On October 18 2012 07:19 crms wrote: seems odd he gives shootmania such a hard time but praises LoL. Wonder why... Sucks no show tonight. It's the best esports related show around. I will miss it at work tomorrow. Maybe it's because he's had such extensive FPS background and subconsciously compared shootmania against the likes of Quake/CS. The only comparison he has for LoL would be Dota (2) and Wheat openly admits that he has very little experience with the genre. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 18 2012 07:35 JBright wrote: Maybe it's because he's had such extensive FPS background and subconsciously compared shootmania against the likes of Quake/CS. The only comparison he has for LoL would be Dota (2) and Wheat openly admits that he has very little experience with the genre. I think it has more to do with LoL being twitch.tv's most successful game and riot hires him to host events. I guess you might be right but I have a hard time imaginging the djwheat of esports past defending or championing for riot with the shitty tactics they've employed to not just inflate their own game but to harm others in this space. I feel like if a company was trying to do this 5 years ago before this much money was involved the Lo3 crew and the community at large would have took a huge shit on Riot for 1) trying to strongarm a lesser more casual game into our scene and 2) actively trying to control and stop growth in other esports. This is my only real qualm with Scoots end of the show speech about supporting what you like and not supporting what you don't like, but don't hate, etc. He often makes comparisons to baseball and football etc., but it's an analogy that doesn't work. It would make perfect sense if their wasn't blatant hostility in the MOBA market where one company is trying to actively strongarm the others out. Baseball doesn't try to kill football, we can watch both. Communities, sponsors, players and all of the little pieces that fit together make both sports viable. You can't preach to people to not hate on LoL if you like DOTA or SC2 or whatever; because LoL is actually trying to fuck over your game, not simple build it's own. There is no reason to hate SC2 as a dota 2 fan, or vice versa. They aren't harming each other, they are both trying to grow. Riot has given players of games like DOTA or HON plenty of reasons to hate and be vocal. You can't use the tactics they've become known for without catching backlash. It's not a cozy little world that allows us to enjoy our game, you enjoy yours. It should be, but Riot has changed the rules. | ||
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Eladir
Greece467 Posts
On October 18 2012 07:59 crms wrote: I think it has more to do with LoL being twitch.tv's most successful game and riot hires him to host events. I guess you might be right but I have a hard time imaginging the djwheat of esports past defending or championing for riot with the shitty tactics they've employed to not just inflate their own game but to harm others in this space. I feel like if a company was trying to do this 5 years ago before this much money was involved the Lo3 crew and the community at large would have took a huge shit on Riot for 1) trying to strongarm a lesser more casual game into our scene and 2) actively trying to control and stop growth in other esports. This is my only real qualm with Scoots end of the show speech about supporting what you like and not supporting what you don't like, but don't hate, etc. He often makes comparisons to baseball and football etc., but it's an analogy that doesn't work. It would make perfect sense if their wasn't blatant hostility in the MOBA market where one company is trying to actively strongarm the others out. Baseball doesn't try to kill football, we can watch both. Communities, sponsors, players and all of the little pieces that fit together make both sports viable. You can't preach to people to not hate on LoL if you like DOTA or SC2 or whatever; because LoL is actually trying to fuck over your game, not simple build it's own. There is no reason to hate SC2 as a dota 2 fan, or vice versa. They aren't harming each other, they are both trying to grow. Riot has given players of games like DOTA or HON plenty of reasons to hate and be vocal. You can't use the tactics they've become known for without catching backlash. It's not a cozy little world that allows us to enjoy our game, you enjoy yours. It should be, but Riot has changed the rules. Can you explain to me these "shitty tactics" you are referring to ? And why is it wrong for the developer to put money into the eSports side of their game ? The competitive scene is happily growing and the developer markets their product. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On October 19 2012 10:44 Eladir wrote: Can you explain to me these "shitty tactics" you are referring to ? And why is it wrong for the developer to put money into the eSports side of their game ? The competitive scene is happily growing and the developer markets their product. Exclusivity contracts is the big one. | ||
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Eladir
Greece467 Posts
On October 19 2012 10:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I'd like to hear the little ones too.Exclusivity contracts is the big one. As far as exclusivity contracts go, you mean tournament exclusivity i guess. Can you please explain to me why is it wrong ? I don't think there is any chance in the world a developer would sponsor an event that would then go on and use that money directly or indirectly to host a tournament for a competing game. That's just impossible, it will never happen. As far as I know (and I've read almost everything on the subject) tournaments can pick up competing games and Riot won't go against them. Dreamhack has been hosting multiple moba tournaments, Carmac from ESL/IEM said there's no contract prohibiting them picking Dota2 and MLG has also said something similar about looking into dota2 and they recently opened their gamebattles competition to Dota2 and they also broadcasted a showmatch of it too. Exclusivity on its own doesn't say much, it can be good or bad. If Riot forced organizations that the only way to host LoL tournaments was to take their money, do everything their way, not allow competing games and have the contract binding for a long time then yes it would be extremely bad for the overall scene. But from the info we have nothing of that seems to be happening. | ||
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[NSL]BansheeHero
Czech Republic143 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/18Lrx.gif) The last few minutes were worth the pain great job @LiveOnThree @SirScoots @djWHEAT @Slasher - Horse. | ||
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Rezudox
207 Posts
http://archive.org/download/LiveOnThreeEpisode137/LiveOnThreeEpisode137.mp3 (Right click, save as.) Enjoy. | ||
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larzurus
23 Posts
On October 22 2012 07:02 Rezudox wrote: Mp3 for Live On Three Episode 137. http://archive.org/download/LiveOnThreeEpisode137/LiveOnThreeEpisode137.mp3 (Right click, save as.) Enjoy. Thank you! | ||
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Altern
United States1053 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
I don't think there is any chance in the world a developer would sponsor an event that would then go on and use that money directly or indirectly to host a tournament for a competing game. That's just impossible, it will never happen. Sc2 is a competing game why does riot let tournaments use their money to run sc2 events? The games are not completely different genres like shooters or fighters and sc2 still gets a lot of attention and money at these events that could be going to LoL if it was the only choice. Especially since we know blizzard all-stars is coming out included for free in the sc2 starter edition better kill that now rather then let it get a chance to grow. So you would be OK if riot added sc2 to the list of games that tournaments can't run if they accept riot's money, and succeed to get many tournaments to drop sc2? Also I hope DJwheat didn't try to convince Riot to go back to their brilliant business strategy of team exclusivity while he was at the world finals. They could really cripple dota 2 and sc2 with that if they ever change their mind again. And the more LoL grows the more likely they are to succeed if they try! | ||
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Eladir
Greece467 Posts
As for the team exclusivity, I don't think it was even close to happening and I don't see it happening in the near future. The benefits from such a move are so little compared to the negatives. They will be much better off continuing growing LoL and laughing at the other developers' inability to respond. | ||
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5ukkub
Poland507 Posts
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neurosx
Luxembourg1096 Posts
On October 25 2012 08:47 5ukkub wrote: HOLY SHIT did LoL broke 1mill concurrent online views and 8mill on television? Did i hear it correctly? 0_o Yeah.. On another note Wheat seems so sad :[ hope he's ok | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
Oh well, hopefully the doom and gloom passes and we as a community get back on track soon. <3Lo3. | ||
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