It is highly recommended that your read this entire thread - at least until page 10. If you make uninformed opinions that have been answered by the thread, col management or Destiny, you will be banned.
I always picture people who so fervently attack any semblance of racism they find to be the most cowardly. It's almost as if they go on their long tirades and look back at the nearest black person and plead, "That was good right? I'm not racist now, right?"
Seriously, there is no reason to care if someone is being racist at all. The first mistake you made was letting yourself be lumped into the concept of "race." Obviously racism isn't acceptable on a governmental level but if an individual is racist then leave that individual to his ignorant ramblings and pay him no mind. The word nigger shouldn't offend any black person because by the act of of being offended they tie themselves needlessly to the concept of unification based on race. The black person being offended should realized they are a human, black though they may be, they are no different. I don't understand how anyone could get so worked up over this issue.
More importantly, how does nigger tie down the modern black person? Their ancestors? Definitely. But they aren't their ancestors. Nor should they associate their feelings and beliefs based on their ancestors.
On June 27 2011 18:41 MattBarry wrote: I always picture people who so fervently attack any semblance of racism they find to be the most cowardly. It's almost as if they go on their long tirades and look back at the nearest black person and plead, "That was good right? I'm not racist now, right?"
Seriously, there is no reason to care if someone is being racist at all. The first mistake you made was letting yourself be lumped into the concept of "race." Obviously racism isn't acceptable on a governmental level but if an individual is racist then leave that individual to his ignorant ramblings and pay him no mind. The word nigger shouldn't offend any black person because by the act of of being offended they tie themselves needlessly to the concept of unification based on race. The black person being offended should realized they are a human, black though they may be, they are no different. I don't understand how anyone could get so worked up over this issue.
More importantly, how does nigger tie down the modern black person? Their ancestors? Definitely. But they aren't their ancestors. Nor should they associate their feelings and beliefs based on their ancestors.
That is the most clueless post i have ever read on TL and you really should spend some time educating yourself or at least keeping your ignorance to yourself.
I have to say, Destiny's rage right now against Deezer goes to show why he can't hold up in the professional world. Not only because he's losing to him, but because he can't admit that he is just getting outplayed, and feeds the troll more rage - worse than Idra status. I'll stand by what I said a few posts up, he's where he belongs just being the average joe who plays too much, but won't make it anywhere outside of JTV =/
On June 27 2011 18:41 MattBarry wrote: I always picture people who so fervently attack any semblance of racism they find to be the most cowardly. It's almost as if they go on their long tirades and look back at the nearest black person and plead, "That was good right? I'm not racist now, right?"
Seriously, there is no reason to care if someone is being racist at all. The first mistake you made was letting yourself be lumped into the concept of "race." Obviously racism isn't acceptable on a governmental level but if an individual is racist then leave that individual to his ignorant ramblings and pay him no mind. The word nigger shouldn't offend any black person because by the act of of being offended they tie themselves needlessly to the concept of unification based on race. The black person being offended should realized they are a human, black though they may be, they are no different. I don't understand how anyone could get so worked up over this issue.
More importantly, how does nigger tie down the modern black person? Their ancestors? Definitely. But they aren't their ancestors. Nor should they associate their feelings and beliefs based on their ancestors.
That is the most clueless post i have ever read on TL and you really should spend some time educating yourself or at least keeping your ignorance to yourself.
On June 27 2011 18:41 MattBarry wrote: I always picture people who so fervently attack any semblance of racism they find to be the most cowardly. It's almost as if they go on their long tirades and look back at the nearest black person and plead, "That was good right? I'm not racist now, right?"
Seriously, there is no reason to care if someone is being racist at all. The first mistake you made was letting yourself be lumped into the concept of "race." Obviously racism isn't acceptable on a governmental level but if an individual is racist then leave that individual to his ignorant ramblings and pay him no mind. The word nigger shouldn't offend any black person because by the act of of being offended they tie themselves needlessly to the concept of unification based on race. The black person being offended should realized they are a human, black though they may be, they are no different. I don't understand how anyone could get so worked up over this issue.
More importantly, how does nigger tie down the modern black person? Their ancestors? Definitely. But they aren't their ancestors. Nor should they associate their feelings and beliefs based on their ancestors.
That is the most clueless post i have ever read on TL and you really should spend some time educating yourself or at least keeping your ignorance to yourself.
Never, under any circumstances post something like that again, saying that a post is completely clueless without giving any sort of explanation as for why you think so is completely retarded.
On June 27 2011 18:41 MattBarry wrote: I always picture people who so fervently attack any semblance of racism they find to be the most cowardly. It's almost as if they go on their long tirades and look back at the nearest black person and plead, "That was good right? I'm not racist now, right?"
Seriously, there is no reason to care if someone is being racist at all. The first mistake you made was letting yourself be lumped into the concept of "race." Obviously racism isn't acceptable on a governmental level but if an individual is racist then leave that individual to his ignorant ramblings and pay him no mind. The word nigger shouldn't offend any black person because by the act of of being offended they tie themselves needlessly to the concept of unification based on race. The black person being offended should realized they are a human, black though they may be, they are no different. I don't understand how anyone could get so worked up over this issue.
More importantly, how does nigger tie down the modern black person? Their ancestors? Definitely. But they aren't their ancestors. Nor should they associate their feelings and beliefs based on their ancestors.
That is the most clueless post i have ever read on TL and you really should spend some time educating yourself or at least keeping your ignorance to yourself.
Never, under any circumstances post something like that again, saying that a post is completely clueless without giving any sort of explanation as for why you think so is completely retarded.
Are you a Mod?
If not then don't tell me what to do.
If you can't understand why that post in clueless, then it is obvious who is retarded.
People like to compare him to Howard Stern, which I feel is horribly inaccurate. Stern is a character, who says foul words for the sole purpose of profit. Steven just does what he does, and talks like he'd talk to anyone online; just in front of thousands
They sound exactly the same to me - Stern was a disc jokey who started to be more honest on the radio about his working conditions and what he felt about things going on in getting married, his job, and eventually, getting famous. He was a goof - just like Destiny. You obviously have never listened to Howard Stern for the last 15 years, and that's fine. But don't pretend you know about something you don't.
As someone who is a fan of both, I would say both are very same, and I'd say that is a huge compliment to Destiny. They both speak the truth, they are both very honest, and yea they are crude, but many times the truth is very crude. Sometimes 'this shit fucking sucks' or 'man my wife is a bitch' or 'god damn i hate my job' or heckling a politician caught twittering his dick is a lot more funny and truthful than what everyone else is saying.
First of all, I am not racist... I hate everyone equally. As for the N bomb, I honestly don't mind it. If you take personal offense to the word then doesn't that mean you are lumping yourself into that category? It is the same social dynamic as bullying. If you keep giving the bully a reaction, he will keep doing it. If you are black then realize you are an equal person and rise above the word so it doesn't eat at you. I don't get heated when someone says "cracker" in the most deragatory way possible. The times of slavery and oppression are over so you need to grow the fuck up and throw away your crutch. Faggot Nigger Spic Cracker Chink. Does that bother you? Sounds like a personal problem.
Ive never watched destinys stream since I care much more about actual level of play than "entertainment" whatever that means. However to all the people saying that using the n word is ok would u ever say nigga or nigger or any other iteration of the word around a group of black people? Try it and see what happens. Once u do come back and tell us if its still ok to use the word freely. Personally I dont see why some white people are so obsessed with having to use the word but I could care less. The fact they're saying shit online they would never say in real life tells me all I need to know about them.
On June 27 2011 22:57 Karnage7 wrote: First of all, I am not racist... I hate everyone equally. As for the N bomb, I honestly don't mind it. If you take personal offense to the word then doesn't that mean you are lumping yourself into that category? It is the same social dynamic as bullying. If you keep giving the bully a reaction, he will keep doing it. If you are black then realize you are an equal person and rise above the word so it doesn't eat at you. I don't get heated when someone says "cracker" in the most deragatory way possible. The times of slavery and oppression are over so you need to grow the fuck up and throw away your crutch. Faggot Nigger Spic Cracker Chink. Does that bother you? Sounds like a personal problem.
Easy for you to say as being called a cracker isn't that big a deal compared to being a minority with a background of hate crime and prejudice. There's still stigma and fucked up stereotyping around gay/black people and having "grow the fuck up" as the solution is kinda juvenile.
On June 27 2011 23:10 antelope591 wrote:Personally I dont see why some white people are so obsessed with having to use the word but I could care less. The fact they're saying shit online they would never say in real life tells me all I need to know about them.
Excellent post.
If you lack empathy, you're allowed to say what you want. Empathy results from being a witness to harm or injury caused by actions of others to yourself or somebody you care about. As such, it's easy to have a total lack of empathy if your most common ground for communication is the Internet, land of no real consequences.
You're clearly terrified of black people if you think you can use the word "nigger" so freely, and claim that people shouldn't be scared to do it. Anyone who says that a word that's derogatory towards any specific class of that person shouldn't be considered offensive harbors resentment towards that group. A little empathy or love of others would teach this person that they shouldn't use this word simply because it may hurt someone.
On June 27 2011 23:10 antelope591 wrote:Personally I dont see why some white people are so obsessed with having to use the word but I could care less. The fact they're saying shit online they would never say in real life tells me all I need to know about them.
Excellent post.
If you lack empathy, you're allowed to say what you want. Empathy results from being a witness to harm or injury caused by actions of others to yourself or somebody you care about. As such, it's easy to have a total lack of empathy if your most common ground for communication is the Internet, land of no real consequences.
You're clearly terrified of black people if you think you can use the word "nigger" so freely, and claim that people shouldn't be scared to do it. Anyone who says that a word that's derogatory towards any specific class of that person shouldn't be considered offensive harbors resentment towards that group. A little empathy or love of others would teach this person that they shouldn't use this word simply because it may hurt someone.
Just because I don't walk into a black crowd and scream nigger at the top of my lungs doesn't mean that I should have to think that the word itself is wrong. I also don't walk up to body builders and say "fuck you asshole!" That would be highly offensive though... should we not say the word asshole? It is a good blanket word that applies to a particular group of people. I am one of them.
On June 27 2011 23:10 antelope591 wrote:Personally I dont see why some white people are so obsessed with having to use the word but I could care less. The fact they're saying shit online they would never say in real life tells me all I need to know about them.
Excellent post.
If you lack empathy, you're allowed to say what you want. Empathy results from being a witness to harm or injury caused by actions of others to yourself or somebody you care about. As such, it's easy to have a total lack of empathy if your most common ground for communication is the Internet, land of no real consequences.
You're clearly terrified of black people if you think you can use the word "nigger" so freely, and claim that people shouldn't be scared to do it. Anyone who says that a word that's derogatory towards any specific class of that person shouldn't be considered offensive harbors resentment towards that group. A little empathy or love of others would teach this person that they shouldn't use this word simply because it may hurt someone.
Just because I don't walk into a black crowd and scream nigger at the top of my lungs doesn't mean that I should have to think that the word itself is wrong. I also don't walk up to body builders and say "fuck you asshole!" That would be highly offensive though... should we not say the word asshole? It is a good blanket word that applies to a particular group of people. I am one of them.
I knew someone would post domething stupid like this and it didnt take very long. No one said ur going into a crowd and screaming nigger. The word isnt used by a white person amongst blacks in any circumstance whether ur joiking or saying it casually. I have no problem saying asshole or fuck when Im around random people but im not gonna say nigga this and nigga that around blacks unless I want my ass kicked. If u cant see the difference between the two then theres no point in arguing.
Its nice to know that someone trying to make there living in a video game and secure sponsors etc etc, thinks its perfectly fine to support himself by appealing to corporations by making racist statements. I'm sure sponsors are dying to have a politically correctness debate with you destiny.
Guess we'll see how long that line is. Should we email FUBU now?
On June 25 2011 19:22 bahl sofs tiil wrote: The point is not the word will not or cannot change, it is that it has not. Not in the way you are suggesting, anyway. Pre-teens and suburbanites in the "gaming community" do not dictate the progression of the English language.
On June 26 2011 15:53 bahl sofs tiil wrote: The point is not that words cannot change. I know that they do. I never said they didn't. No one, ever, has said that words don't or cannot or will not change meaning. The point is that this word has not changed. A small group of people on the internet, or your nieces and nephews (what?) do not dictate the progression of the English language. In society at large, this word still retains its old, hateful, racist meaning in 90 percent of contexts. 99 percent, even.
On June 27 2011 12:01 badcnr wrote: Yes the factors surrounding the word does make up the meaning of the word. Hence the definition of context http://www.thefreedictionary.com/context
Context is very different from non-verbal cues. Like, entirely different. This is a different thing.
Seriously, what the hell? I feel like you have got to just be screwing with me, now. Or maybe you are from the French parts of Canada. That would explain your reading comprehension and views on racism.
I didnt say context is the same as non-verbal cues. Non-verbal can be part used to change the meaning of the word when using an expression of emotion. That part is true. Context can use the surriound factors around a word to determine the meaning. That part is true. The fact that words can be change by using them and that offensive language can change ( this is everything you have implied), adds to the fact that the word may not have changed but that doesnt say the person can not use that in a way that he see's is different than the actual meaning. The word itself has not changed enough for some one to just say that word and mean different. But it is becoming more common. Now what you said about french canadians is take a more racist than anything destiny has said. To say the community of french canadians have all the same ways of reading comprehesion and views. I am not french canadian and have been around many different people and to judge one by their language or the fact that they dont speak english. Thats wrong. I guess ignorance is bliss when you attack people for using language that utulizes a word that is a racial slur by meaning in a non racial way, then turn around and judge a community by there language ?
This all comes back to the merging of root and coL. With all due respect, it was wrong for catZ and drewbie to give up their creation, ROOT. Sure they want to focus on being better players, but let's face it, they'll never be the best (IMO). So, if you're not going to be the best, at least you have your very own team to concentrate on! ROOT was cool, it had kiwi, slush, destiny; now they (catZ,drewbie) gave up their 'baby' and nothing will ever be the same again
On June 28 2011 02:42 canSore wrote: This all comes back to the merging of root and coL. With all due respect, it was wrong for catZ and drewbie to give up their creation, ROOT. Sure they want to focus on being better players, but let's face it, they'll never be the best (IMO). So, if you're not going to be the best, at least you have your very own team to concentrate on! ROOT was cool, it had kiwi, slush, destiny; now they (catZ,drewbie) gave up their 'baby' and nothing will ever be the same again
I think catz and drewbie probably had a hard enough time letting go. Even if they manage to find sponsors they probably would still have a lot of work to do. They have done pretty well considering the amount of effort they would had to put in for the team and still get enough practice in to still get results. With a lot more time practice they can definatly be up at the top. It is sad they had to let go of root, but sometimes they need to think whats best for themselves and the group to accomplish their goals.
The thing I don't understand is how some people of african descent try to use the "it's OUR word" statement. It just promotes more racism. A word is a word. Words are not owned by anyone, especially not in a country where you are free to speak your mind. The only way for a word to be anything more than a word is for it to be used in a sentance, thus reinforcing it with what we call context.
So why is this still such a big topic? And are people judging the community based on the use of words of one man? Probably not.
On June 27 2011 23:10 antelope591 wrote: Ive never watched destinys stream since I care much more about actual level of play than "entertainment" whatever that means. However to all the people saying that using the n word is ok would u ever say nigga or nigger or any other iteration of the word around a group of black people? Try it and see what happens. Once u do come back and tell us if its still ok to use the word freely. Personally I dont see why some white people are so obsessed with having to use the word but I could care less. The fact they're saying shit online they would never say in real life tells me all I need to know about them.
So you don't watch his stream, and you obviously didn't notice that he's one of the top players in the world, but your blind insight tells you that he's not good or entertaining?
EPT
