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Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
June 17 2011 00:38 GMT
#61
Need more blizzard employees on anti-hacking >_>
aruno, arunoaj, aruno_aj | Those are my main aliases
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 17 2011 00:40 GMT
#62
On June 17 2011 08:25 Probe1 wrote:
I can already see where this is going. 5 pages consisting of a smooth 60/40% blend of people saying this is an inaccurate sign of hacking and the other half congratulating the OP on a wonderful find.

Abandon all content, ye who post here.


Remember when I was like this guy is full of shit on the first page? That was great.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
zhouzhou
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:44:36
June 17 2011 00:41 GMT
#63
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.

FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.
GLLvz
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway122 Posts
June 17 2011 00:43 GMT
#64
This has happen several times to me. if this is proof that someone is cheating, then there's TONS of cheaters out there, and not just a small number, doubt its 100% accurate.
Lvz
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:52:05
June 17 2011 00:50 GMT
#65
On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get.
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.

FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.


How on earth can you believe calling someone a map hacker when you are not 100% sure about it is not a bad thing? By extent, any method that doesn't have a single evidence about it's credibility will be shot down, as hundreds of unfounded claims of map hacking always have been. People deny methods that don't make sense because they are harmfull to whoever is accused, and are almost always just someone crying over a lost game.

There is one guy claiming that it works everytime, even if he has no proof that all of those players, or actually even if even one of them, were maphacking. Then there are a lot of people claiming this happened when opening replays that couldn't have been hacked. It's not really hard to pick a side, at least for now.

Even if this happened every single time you opened a replay against a hacker, but also happened on diferent circumstances, it is still complete bullshit to use it to call someone a map hacker.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
June 17 2011 00:51 GMT
#66
there will always be hackers, no way around it. be happy it enforces macro games at least
short
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden148 Posts
June 17 2011 00:52 GMT
#67
I think it's very low to call out ButteryLlama as a maphacker and call him pathetic based on some crazy theory and no real evidence.
Angry_Fetus
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada444 Posts
June 17 2011 00:52 GMT
#68
I have had this happen plenty of times against random ladder opponents and against real-life friends. This is hilarious that you are claiming, without any evidence, that this somehow correlates with someone having installed a maphack. It's a random bug.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
June 17 2011 00:53 GMT
#69
On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.

FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.


Get the fuck out, you don't go around accusing people of hacking without good reason. That is why people are getting riled up. You didn't just present this as a possible method of detection, you are flat out saying it works and are publicly naming and shaming.

Until you can provide some hard evidence that this method is 100% reliable then you have no right to be saying what you are and definitely owe ButteryLlama an apology.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
June 17 2011 00:53 GMT
#70
hackers have always existed in all blizzard franchise games from duping+mh+bots in Diablo franchise, maphack and COUNtless other stuff in SC... and also in war3...

they detract from the game, but there is no getting around it.
just hope they don't negatively effect tournaments
vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
June 17 2011 00:54 GMT
#71
On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.

FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.


Your an idiot, I really wish I had the willpower not to come in here and type this but I don't. This thread needs to be closed before this kid trolls even harder.
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 17 2011 00:57 GMT
#72
I started writing relax Exarl25 then realized I completely agree with you.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
baeracaed
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States604 Posts
June 17 2011 00:57 GMT
#73
On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.

FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.


You're ridiculous, man. The people not agreeing with your theory are just the hackers trying to keep this on the down-low? Are you 12 or just stupid? Your thread is shit, take it to the blizzard forums dude.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 17 2011 01:02 GMT
#74
I give up. This has gone from ridiculous to full on stupid. There's no evidence of hack here but the discussion continues. It's just flaming back and forth, trolling up and down.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
June 17 2011 01:02 GMT
#75
Okay, this is pretty ridiculous. If you're going to call out a well-known member of the community, you'd better have some damn concrete evidence, not some wishy-washy unsubstantiated finger pointing.
This reminds me of this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156
These accusations, whether they're correct or not, are not to be taken lightly. You can't just go around pointing fingers with an OP like this.
zhouzhou
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada138 Posts
June 17 2011 01:03 GMT
#76
I stand by wbc's theory and what I've said. BL played suspicious, replay glitched. I've tested this myself, same things happens. Overly suspicious players (really, who doesn't scout against a random player?) makes it more obvious. I'm going by what I've tested and what I've seen. Not just blindly accusing people, which you seem to think I'm doing.

I understand if you're a friend of BL's, you'd be upset. That's fine, but you're just blinded by rage.


Probe1, I don't know if you read what I've said thoroughly before, but it only applies to fresh replays, not 2nd hand. That's why something like this is hard to get across unless you put some effort into it.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 08:52:56
June 17 2011 08:51 GMT
#77
So what is the mechanism by which the maphack triggers the glitch? The maphack needs to leave a clear trace in the replay for this method to work. While this is theoretically possible, it sounds very unlikely that the maphack leaves a trace than coincidentally triggers the glitch.

Bring some real evidence that maphacks cause this glitch. Until then I'll keep my opinion that this is a load of bullshit.
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