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On June 17 2011 07:57 zhouzhou wrote:
Just to address some of the people claiming their replays are from the pros. Do you directly get them from the pro, unwatched? No, you probably get them from a 3rd party site, who edits the replay to have the players say something like "go to (website) for more replays etc. etc."
Maphackers join custom games too.
It only works for you, and you alone. Because you're the only one with the fresh replay after the game. Maybe the guys denying this are maphackers themselves. At least watch the video when JTV comes back online before going off.
No... i dont think we get them directly from the pro, unwatched... but im pretty sure that im not map hacking against an AI...
Also, ive browsed through the hacker database while reading this, and i couldnt find any that actually did this. (Find some for me if you can, i only really checked about half of them, but seemed as they were all confirmed hackers, that seemed like a large enough pool to draw from)
Also, again, we've seen this on streams in tournements, where there are a little bit heavier anti-hacking procedures than Blizzards Warden on the ladder.
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On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain?
I dont understand why people portrait farm and get demoted on purpose...what do YOU gain?
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Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time?
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On June 17 2011 08:03 MaxField wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:59 starcraft911 wrote:On June 17 2011 07:52 nozh wrote:On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain? Ladder points. And bragging rights. Mostly to increase e-penis size. I mean i think it could be funny to do it to a friend like 1 time, but in ladder and all that, it really just seems like it takes all the fun out of the game. Having such an unfair advantage just makes winning seem like it does not even matter. Just my opinion though.
Thing with ladder though.. it won't be much different than smurfing. They'll hit a roof where they'll start losing eventually. I could probably destroy people at my MMR with a map hack, and likely advance quite a bit. But if I get to a point where I start facing pros?
Don't even think a map hack would turn the tide.
Like smurfing a bronze account, a bunch of free wins and then you hit a wall again.
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On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time?
If he's streaming every time he ladders or plays a game, then possibly.
but im almost sure (you can ask the TL Hacker Database Poster a few posts up about this, not positive) you can still maphack while streaming, by using either a second computer or some third party software linked to either another computer or another moniter.
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On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time?
Streaming while maphacking is like trying to loot a police station. Why do you even bring this up? You think it would be ridiculous for one to maphack his way to GM and then use that status to bring in viewers?
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happens to me whenever i load up replay after input limit reached so i doubt it
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Uhh is it confirmed that buttery llama ever hacked? I have never heard this until now and you should probably post some undeniable proof before you throw a guy under the bus like that.
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Don't post links to hacks..
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Also, isn't Blizzard intelligent enough to be constantly looking up these maphack programs, and making sure they do not function (perhaps even resulting in a ban for players who try to use them)? There's gotta be SOMETHING they can do, and it's not like everyone using a maphack is generating their own. If they had 2 employees that, as a full-time job, just searched for new bots and maphacks and banned them, that would be SO FREAKING WORTH IT. I hope they're doing this anyways, but given the significant number of sc2 hackers, it doesn't seem like they are.
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I've had this happen to myself, and viewing many pro replays.
Sorry dude, try again
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On June 17 2011 08:08 Haegr9599 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time? If he's streaming every time he ladders or plays a game, then possibly. but im almost sure (you can ask the TL Hacker Database Poster a few posts up about this, not positive) you can still maphack while streaming, by using either a second computer or some third party software linked to either another computer or another moniter.
I have no idea. They should show up on your minimap when they shouldn't anyway. Its not nuclear missiles, its just maphacks.
I mean I don't doubt the ingenuity of those that cheat.. sorry, that make cheats but that's getting a little byzantine to run a second computer.
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I'm glad I read this thread early on so I could make a statement to put an end to this absurd shit-storm.
Though it might (or might not, I actually don't know) be true that if someone is using a particular map hack there is a something that pops up at the beginning of a replay, it is certainly not the case that this for sure means there is a map hack. I've never used a map hack in my life, yet ONEWBC was accusing me so, based on some info that he apparently thinks is conclusive. However, I wasn't hacking, so I know with 100% certainty that this 'method' is far from full proof. I would appreciate if people would wait to find out if something is actually real and provides substantiating evidence before tossing around serious slanders. For people reading this DO NOT believe that I or anybody else was hacking BASED ON THIS EVIDENCE ALONE.
If the community wants my archive of auto-saved replays to check, I would provide them. In fact, I find it particularly amusing that I of all people am accused of this, as nearly 100% of my mistakes are game-knowledge and scouting mistakes as opposed to execution mistakes (I'll just arrogantly come out and say I have amazing mechanics, far better than ONEWBC will ever have; it's all the other aspects of my play that get me in trouble).
Seriously though, please have some actual evidence before making such a tall claim.
~Buttery
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On June 17 2011 08:15 ZUR1CH wrote:
Also, isn't Blizzard intelligent enough to be constantly looking up these maphack programs, and making sure they do not function (perhaps even resulting in a ban for players who try to use them)? There's gotta be SOMETHING they can do, and it's not like everyone using a maphack is generating their own. If they had 2 employees that, as a full-time job, just searched for new bots and maphacks and banned them, that would be SO FREAKING WORTH IT. I hope they're doing this anyways, but given the significant number of sc2 hackers, it doesn't seem like they are.
Blizzard bans in waves and Warden, their anti hack tool (like punkbuster) does a mediocre job at detection. In WoW they rely heavily on other players reporting rather than upgrading Warden's already invasive code.
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On June 17 2011 08:16 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:08 Haegr9599 wrote:On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time? If he's streaming every time he ladders or plays a game, then possibly. but im almost sure (you can ask the TL Hacker Database Poster a few posts up about this, not positive) you can still maphack while streaming, by using either a second computer or some third party software linked to either another computer or another moniter. I have no idea. They should show up on your minimap when they shouldn't anyway. Its not nuclear missiles, its just maphacks. I mean I don't doubt the ingenuity of those that cheat.. sorry, that make cheats but that's getting a little byzantine to run a second computer.
Well truthfully, i'd agree with that. im not saying that everyone does it, just saying that they could =P
And more than a few people have a laptop that they use to stream with, IdrA is a perfectly good example of this.
**Not implying that IdrA maphacks
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Wanna-be-cool has mentioned this method on is stream numerous times, I wonder how much, if any, validity their is to it.
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I've had this glitch happen to me while viewing my own replays. I'm willing to bet that the glitch has no connection to map hacking.
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I've had this glitch happen to me while loading a replay of myself playing against the AI. The perfect crime.. even I never suspected it..
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On June 17 2011 08:20 BthreeN wrote:
I've had this glitch happen to me while viewing my own replays. I'm willing to bet that the glitch has no connection to map hacking.
Pretty much this. I've encountered this glitch myself a few times when viewing my replays vs the A.I. I seriously doubt this is a legit way to detect maphackers.
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