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If it's not appropriate to post this here, please remove or do whatever you deem necessary, mods. I mean no ill-will.
It's not far-fetched to think there are plenty of maphackers out there. Knowing how to use Google is enough to gain you access to "undetectable" maphacks.
You need to know what maphacks are capable of in order to have a better understanding of it. Taken from the post advertising said maphack:
Detailed information: - Warden protection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)If you don't know what Warden is, read the link above. I will not go into details with how my protection works or what techniques I have used to help prevent detection, but know that it's there and working to protect you. - Configurable hotkeys Open the file VCMH.ini and edit the key code value to what you want. - 3 state maphackShows all units on mini-map and main-map except for cloaked units when in viewing range. Also, comes with 3 different modes which are off, lite and full. - Camera lockThis feature locks the camera x/y coordinates and current selected in position for replay viewing so you can take a look at your enemy without worry. Also, all future selections while on are client sided and not saved into the replay. Automatically turns off when you try using any of your units in case you accidentally leave it on. - Enable observer panelEnables the replay observer panel thats located at the top left of screen. To change the display mode using one of the hotkeys you will need to hold down the Alt key. That way it won't interfere with any unit button hotkeys or anything else. --
Now, the current TL hacker database is only relying on camera movement in order to spot maphackers. But if they just use the camera lock feature, how do you go about checking for that? Or what if they only use the minimap and observer panel?
A while back I came across this thread on reddit.
TL;DR he explained a undeniable way to detect maphacks by briefly checking the replay. The b.net UI will flash momentarily at the start of a replay the FIRST TIME (and only the first time) you watch a fresh replay involving a maphacker.
The example provided in his post is this video: http://www.justin.tv/wannabecool/b/285177780 @ the 32:52 mark. (Jtv down for maintenance as of this posting, but check it later) He catches the user ButteryLlama maphacking. On a side note, said user later advertises himself as a GM zerg on reddit to get more views for his stream. Pathetic.
Picture example of what it looks like: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1010/78291865.jpg
I know some of you won't read the wall of text provided in the link, but I urge you to before replying and saying this is a ridiculous claim. Maphackers themselves may try to dispel this as a myth, it's not.
Please report these cheaters as you come across them.
To clarify:
Yes, this can also occur against AI. They cheat too, but what's the point of testing this against an AI? We're not reporting AI to Blizzard.
JTV isn't functioning right now, yet people are vigorously denying it. This raises suspicion in itself, as they haven't even seen the game and how blatant it is.
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I've had what happens in that screenshot with my own replays, and with many pro replays.
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i'm not really sure if this is true? it might be a coincidence, becuase ive had this happen a few times when im just doing a custom game against a friend or ladder or doing whatever it is im doing
additionally, im pretty sure ive seen it in a bunch of pro replays as well, while they were in tournements.
Not really sure if this is good? it might be true? but i dont think so
And no im not a map hacker... >.<
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I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain?
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that picture example doesn't prove anything as it happens all the time (without cheater)
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On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain?
Ladder points.
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On June 17 2011 07:52 robatw wrote:
that picture example doesn't prove anything as it happens all the time (without cheater)
So... how do you know they don't cheat?
Ahh now I will be paranoid every time this happens l0l
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It's just coincidence. I have that happen a lot when I open replays, are you saying over 50% of the people I play map hack? Even when it's against my own team mates?
I just don't think that's a creditable source and a valid way to tell how someone is map hacking.
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I've had this UI bug happen when watching a replay of myself versus the AI...
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On June 17 2011 07:52 nozh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain? Ladder points.
Well yeah, until Tasteless finds them on the ladder..
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Just to address some of the people claiming their replays are from the pros. Do you directly get them from the pro, unwatched? No, you probably get them from a 3rd party site, who edits the replay to have the players say something like "go to (website) for more replays etc. etc."
Maphackers join custom games too.
It only works for you, and you alone. Because you're the only one with the fresh replay after the game. Maybe the guys denying this are maphackers themselves. At least watch the video when JTV comes back online before going off.
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I read the reddit thread and this "theory" is ENTIRELY BASELESS.
You are going to have to come up with more significant proof that this glitch flawlessly reveals hackers than watching a few replays and having it pop up with people you find suspicious.
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On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain?
Fun, same reason people cheat in cards even when not playing for money. Same reason some kids would memorize a cheat code in Goldeneye only to use when playing vs. mates.
Winning is fun, they just found themselves an advantage that let's them win more. It's pretty simple really.
Doesn't really matter for the average ladder user either, I've played a person who was hacking and he was godawful. Just played ultra mega standard and got a free win, the "skill" gap closes when he can't use his map hacks as much to his advantage. And if you lose, just report and be on your way.
That said, obviously a problem up at grandmaster level as that supposedly decides tournament invites to Blizzcon and such (not sure if that's still in place).
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I don't give the slightest of shits about maphackers, I get matched up against players that perform to my skill level anyways, my opponent having vision of what I do promotes macro games and punishes unsafe play, which is good in my book, Day9 said himself that practicing against maphackers has helped him immensely because he had to rely on solid strategies instead of an element of surprise.
Imo the ladder needs more maphackers and less awful cheesers that flip a coin every time they hit the Find Game Button.
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I've only been reviewing replays submitted to the TL Hacker Database (Here) since season 2 but I've never run across this. If camera lock is enabled there is little you can do directly detect map hacking. You're stuck making indirect observations and hoping that Warden (Blizzards antihack) catches up.
Though (and especially if more than one replay is submitted) indirect observations can be enough to make it extremely clear that Maphacker Mark is map hacking. It just takes more time then the easy ones that spend more time looking at your main through the FOW then at their own base.
Cheers.
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On June 17 2011 07:52 nozh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain? Ladder points.
And bragging rights.
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hmm this happens every replay i load up... I am pretty sure i don't play against 15-20+ map hackers a day and if i do they sure lose a lot of games. Also this happens to replays of me playing vs AI so i must be map hacking then....this is a very flawed way to detect map hacks this is a known game glitch not a detection method for map hacking I would advise reading up in the TL hacker database on how to spot map hacking as their method is tried and true(er) than a glitch that happens to many people every replay load up.
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Yeah, I wouldn't ever review a replay and go, HEY MY UI JUST FLASHED WELL BETTER WRITE THIS ONE DOWN AS CONFIRMED WATSON!
Map hacking sucks. Trying to catch them and convince blizzard to punish them sucks more.
But after reading the reddit thread this information will not make it suck any less (*any easier)
The reddit post also accuses CombatEx of maphacking.
ONEWBC's stream and he was raging one day about map hackers and was explaining this theory to the stream.
I would attach replays etc., but its not something you prove with a replay or two, you have to test it out yourself over a large sample size if you don't want to take my word for it. Plus, I am not sure it would even work for downloaded replays.
This guy is full of shit
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On June 17 2011 07:59 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:52 nozh wrote:On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain? Ladder points. And bragging rights.
Mostly to increase e-penis size.
I mean i think it could be funny to do it to a friend like 1 time, but in ladder and all that, it really just seems like it takes all the fun out of the game. Having such an unfair advantage just makes winning seem like it does not even matter. Just my opinion though.
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On June 17 2011 07:55 byce wrote:
I've had this UI bug happen when watching a replay of myself versus the AI...
To be fair the AI does use a map hack 
But yeah, i don't know if this is proof because it seems like alot of people have this in their own replays. And i doubt they would be saying anything if they were indeed maphackers.
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On June 17 2011 07:57 zhouzhou wrote:
Just to address some of the people claiming their replays are from the pros. Do you directly get them from the pro, unwatched? No, you probably get them from a 3rd party site, who edits the replay to have the players say something like "go to (website) for more replays etc. etc."
Maphackers join custom games too.
It only works for you, and you alone. Because you're the only one with the fresh replay after the game. Maybe the guys denying this are maphackers themselves. At least watch the video when JTV comes back online before going off.
No... i dont think we get them directly from the pro, unwatched... but im pretty sure that im not map hacking against an AI...
Also, ive browsed through the hacker database while reading this, and i couldnt find any that actually did this. (Find some for me if you can, i only really checked about half of them, but seemed as they were all confirmed hackers, that seemed like a large enough pool to draw from)
Also, again, we've seen this on streams in tournements, where there are a little bit heavier anti-hacking procedures than Blizzards Warden on the ladder.
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On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain?
I dont understand why people portrait farm and get demoted on purpose...what do YOU gain?
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Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time?
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On June 17 2011 08:03 MaxField wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:59 starcraft911 wrote:On June 17 2011 07:52 nozh wrote:On June 17 2011 07:50 ODKStevez wrote:
I don't understand why people do this. I mean, what's the point.. what do they gain? Ladder points. And bragging rights. Mostly to increase e-penis size. I mean i think it could be funny to do it to a friend like 1 time, but in ladder and all that, it really just seems like it takes all the fun out of the game. Having such an unfair advantage just makes winning seem like it does not even matter. Just my opinion though.
Thing with ladder though.. it won't be much different than smurfing. They'll hit a roof where they'll start losing eventually. I could probably destroy people at my MMR with a map hack, and likely advance quite a bit. But if I get to a point where I start facing pros?
Don't even think a map hack would turn the tide.
Like smurfing a bronze account, a bunch of free wins and then you hit a wall again.
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On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time?
If he's streaming every time he ladders or plays a game, then possibly.
but im almost sure (you can ask the TL Hacker Database Poster a few posts up about this, not positive) you can still maphack while streaming, by using either a second computer or some third party software linked to either another computer or another moniter.
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On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time?
Streaming while maphacking is like trying to loot a police station. Why do you even bring this up? You think it would be ridiculous for one to maphack his way to GM and then use that status to bring in viewers?
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happens to me whenever i load up replay after input limit reached so i doubt it
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Uhh is it confirmed that buttery llama ever hacked? I have never heard this until now and you should probably post some undeniable proof before you throw a guy under the bus like that.
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Don't post links to hacks..
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Also, isn't Blizzard intelligent enough to be constantly looking up these maphack programs, and making sure they do not function (perhaps even resulting in a ban for players who try to use them)? There's gotta be SOMETHING they can do, and it's not like everyone using a maphack is generating their own. If they had 2 employees that, as a full-time job, just searched for new bots and maphacks and banned them, that would be SO FREAKING WORTH IT. I hope they're doing this anyways, but given the significant number of sc2 hackers, it doesn't seem like they are.
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I've had this happen to myself, and viewing many pro replays.
Sorry dude, try again
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On June 17 2011 08:08 Haegr9599 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time? If he's streaming every time he ladders or plays a game, then possibly. but im almost sure (you can ask the TL Hacker Database Poster a few posts up about this, not positive) you can still maphack while streaming, by using either a second computer or some third party software linked to either another computer or another moniter.
I have no idea. They should show up on your minimap when they shouldn't anyway. Its not nuclear missiles, its just maphacks.
I mean I don't doubt the ingenuity of those that cheat.. sorry, that make cheats but that's getting a little byzantine to run a second computer.
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I'm glad I read this thread early on so I could make a statement to put an end to this absurd shit-storm.
Though it might (or might not, I actually don't know) be true that if someone is using a particular map hack there is a something that pops up at the beginning of a replay, it is certainly not the case that this for sure means there is a map hack. I've never used a map hack in my life, yet ONEWBC was accusing me so, based on some info that he apparently thinks is conclusive. However, I wasn't hacking, so I know with 100% certainty that this 'method' is far from full proof. I would appreciate if people would wait to find out if something is actually real and provides substantiating evidence before tossing around serious slanders. For people reading this DO NOT believe that I or anybody else was hacking BASED ON THIS EVIDENCE ALONE.
If the community wants my archive of auto-saved replays to check, I would provide them. In fact, I find it particularly amusing that I of all people am accused of this, as nearly 100% of my mistakes are game-knowledge and scouting mistakes as opposed to execution mistakes (I'll just arrogantly come out and say I have amazing mechanics, far better than ONEWBC will ever have; it's all the other aspects of my play that get me in trouble).
Seriously though, please have some actual evidence before making such a tall claim.
~Buttery
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On June 17 2011 08:15 ZUR1CH wrote:
Also, isn't Blizzard intelligent enough to be constantly looking up these maphack programs, and making sure they do not function (perhaps even resulting in a ban for players who try to use them)? There's gotta be SOMETHING they can do, and it's not like everyone using a maphack is generating their own. If they had 2 employees that, as a full-time job, just searched for new bots and maphacks and banned them, that would be SO FREAKING WORTH IT. I hope they're doing this anyways, but given the significant number of sc2 hackers, it doesn't seem like they are.
Blizzard bans in waves and Warden, their anti hack tool (like punkbuster) does a mediocre job at detection. In WoW they rely heavily on other players reporting rather than upgrading Warden's already invasive code.
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On June 17 2011 08:16 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:08 Haegr9599 wrote:On June 17 2011 08:06 Tenks wrote:
Um if he streams doesn't that almost confirm Llama DOESN'T maphack? I mean how does he maphack and stream at the same time? If he's streaming every time he ladders or plays a game, then possibly. but im almost sure (you can ask the TL Hacker Database Poster a few posts up about this, not positive) you can still maphack while streaming, by using either a second computer or some third party software linked to either another computer or another moniter. I have no idea. They should show up on your minimap when they shouldn't anyway. Its not nuclear missiles, its just maphacks. I mean I don't doubt the ingenuity of those that cheat.. sorry, that make cheats but that's getting a little byzantine to run a second computer.
Well truthfully, i'd agree with that. im not saying that everyone does it, just saying that they could =P
And more than a few people have a laptop that they use to stream with, IdrA is a perfectly good example of this.
**Not implying that IdrA maphacks
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Wanna-be-cool has mentioned this method on is stream numerous times, I wonder how much, if any, validity their is to it.
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I've had this glitch happen to me while viewing my own replays. I'm willing to bet that the glitch has no connection to map hacking.
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I've had this glitch happen to me while loading a replay of myself playing against the AI. The perfect crime.. even I never suspected it..
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On June 17 2011 08:20 BthreeN wrote:
I've had this glitch happen to me while viewing my own replays. I'm willing to bet that the glitch has no connection to map hacking.
Pretty much this. I've encountered this glitch myself a few times when viewing my replays vs the A.I. I seriously doubt this is a legit way to detect maphackers.
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I can already see where this is going. 5 pages consisting of a smooth 60/40% blend of people saying this is an inaccurate sign of hacking and the other half congratulating the OP on a wonderful find.
Abandon all content, ye who post here.
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Blizzard should just have the Starcraft process take random low-res screen shots during matches and upload them at the end of matches, have software analyze the screen shots for fog of war, and report all those that fail.
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Please explain to me how exactly getting to GM league with a maphack to get stream viewers who can then watch you fail because you cant have your maphack on while streaming makes any sense at all?
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I've had this happen plenty of times and I'm pretty sure it's just a ui glitch and not indicative of hacking...
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On June 17 2011 08:29 Iksf wrote:
Please explain to me how exactly getting to GM league with a maphack to get stream viewers who can then watch you fail because you cant have your maphack on while streaming makes any sense at all?
It doesn't. WBC and the OP are the only 2 who are convinced butteryllama is a map hacker. Nothing to see here; move along.
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On June 17 2011 08:16 Butteryllama wrote:
I'm glad I read this thread early on so I could make a statement to put an end to this absurd shit-storm.
Though it might (or might not, I actually don't know) be true that if someone is using a particular map hack there is a something that pops up at the beginning of a replay, it is certainly not the case that this for sure means there is a map hack. I've never used a map hack in my life, yet ONEWBC was accusing me so, based on some info that he apparently thinks is conclusive. However, I wasn't hacking, so I know with 100% certainty that this 'method' is far from full proof. I would appreciate if people would wait to find out if something is actually real and provides substantiating evidence before tossing around serious slanders. For people reading this DO NOT believe that I or anybody else was hacking BASED ON THIS EVIDENCE ALONE.
If the community wants my archive of auto-saved replays to check, I would provide them. In fact, I find it particularly amusing that I of all people am accused of this, as nearly 100% of my mistakes are game-knowledge and scouting mistakes as opposed to execution mistakes (I'll just arrogantly come out and say I have amazing mechanics, far better than ONEWBC will ever have; it's all the other aspects of my play that get me in trouble).
Seriously though, please have some actual evidence before making such a tall claim.
~Buttery
There we go. Innocent until proven guilty. Buttery seems like a standup guy who does stuff for the community and I have absolutely no clue who this ONEWBC dude is other than him spamming forums with this method. This thread really should be closed with a mod edit that the OP is full of shit.
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Absolute rubbish, provide the community with something concrete or crawl back under your bridge. Pure speculation and hate because you lost to someone better then you.
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I was watching Buttery stream when WBC called him a map hacker they had just played a game on the ladder. Buttery had some good scouting information on him and had a very favorable battle. then after that game they meet up again on the ladder WBC told buttery that Buttery was a map hacker for his friend told him that he was one. Buttery ended up losing that second game he made some bad decisions and didn't win. I don't have the replays of the games since i was watching it on stream so if they do get posted both games we can end this slander once and for all.
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Lol, well this managed to go to a shit storm in less than like 10 minutes =O
Well anyways, general consesnsus is, besides WBC and OP, that this really is not a valid way to detect maphackers and that butteryllama is NOT a hap hacker... everybody can move along now lol
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This happends to me whenever I load a replay basically. I must be playing 100% hackers then.
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I didnt even understand the OP and how the hack is supposed to work. Ive never seen that picture in picture on any replay.
For the avarage player it wont matter much if you come across a maphacker once in a while. If you get matched vs him then hes around your skill when hes hacking so it will probably be a good game anyway. I guess if you base your play on sneaky cheesy stuff it can be annoying tho :p
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Unless someone can provide conclusive proof that is method of detection is 100% reliable then it is completely out of order to be using it to accuse anyone of hacking.
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Get off llama's dick. He doesn't cheat he's almost always streaming. Get some more proof before you post bullshit about people you don't know that could potentially screw them over or better yet learn how to take a loss without blaming someone else for it.
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On June 17 2011 08:28 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
Blizzard should just have the Starcraft process take random low-res screen shots during matches and upload them at the end of matches, have software analyze the screen shots for fog of war, and report all those that fail.
Ugly hacker kids would find a workaround no matter what. :-d
I guess the only thing to do is to not take ladder too seriously. Use ladder as a practice ground, some times you lose, some times you lose to hacker -- doesn't matter ^^
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dude, I've been playing with butterry wayyy before there were masters/GM. He's always been nice enough to give me practice games even though there's the level difference.
He's not hacking dude. You should see what he does for the community he's in. He's been offering free coaching for his clan eP for the longest time, and only recently started charging s few bucks for it. As well as streaming with commentary, and answering viewer questions.
Nice guy all-round.
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A replay flashing because of a person using a third party software using client-side information?
Pretty sure whoever came up with the concept is wrong.
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Well before anything else gets said about this, i have been ButteryLlama's manager for about a year now and i know more information then anyone else on regards of this. If you do not know ButteryLlama then you have no say in this. Before i defend ButteryLlama i would like to state some facts.
1) ButteryLlama is a standout guy and is one of the most realistic minded individuals i have ever come across.
2) Not only does he stream live he also talks about mechanics and how scouting is very important.
3) He taught a E-Sports class at Depauw University and voluntered his own time to students in teaching/learning starcraft 2.
4) He offers free coaching to clan mates on the weekend because he loves our community.
5) He won the Lafayette Symphony's Keller Award when he was a junior at Depauw University.
you can find the article here: http://www.depauw.edu/acad/articles/?ID=20555
6) He is a Blackbelt in Hapkido
7) He and his band just recently recorded a album that will be released shortly
8) He just attended MLG columbus where he made it pretty far into the loser brackets.
9) He works hard and is a freak when it comes to training.
10) Watch his stream, and you will no longer have any doubts. www.justin.tv/butteryllama
Now with all that being said that really means nothing about hacking. But considering he earned everything he accomplished in his life and that his personality is just fantastic. I find this thread to be a joke but at the same time a good thing, because ButteryLlama is one of the best people i have met in my life and everyone should know about him, not because of this thread but because hes the reason that we all play this game, hes a dreamer, but yet realistic, and he is just a joy to be around. Clan eP will always support ButteryLlama no matter what is true or not.
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On June 17 2011 08:37 meRz wrote:
This happends to me whenever I load a replay basically. I must be playing 100% hackers then.
Same here.
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omg. I've seen replays do this all the time and I was SOOOO suspicious that they'd been cheating when they played me. Wow
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On June 17 2011 09:32 Frozne wrote:
omg. I've seen replays do this all the time and I was SOOOO suspicious that they'd been cheating when they played me. Wow
You're reading the posts in the thread saying some people get this pretty much every time they open a replay right?
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Need more blizzard employees on anti-hacking >_>
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On June 17 2011 08:25 Probe1 wrote:
I can already see where this is going. 5 pages consisting of a smooth 60/40% blend of people saying this is an inaccurate sign of hacking and the other half congratulating the OP on a wonderful find.
Abandon all content, ye who post here.
Remember when I was like this guy is full of shit on the first page? That was great.
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There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.
FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.
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This has happen several times to me. if this is proof that someone is cheating, then there's TONS of cheaters out there, and not just a small number, doubt its 100% accurate.
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On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get.
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.
FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.
How on earth can you believe calling someone a map hacker when you are not 100% sure about it is not a bad thing? By extent, any method that doesn't have a single evidence about it's credibility will be shot down, as hundreds of unfounded claims of map hacking always have been. People deny methods that don't make sense because they are harmfull to whoever is accused, and are almost always just someone crying over a lost game.
There is one guy claiming that it works everytime, even if he has no proof that all of those players, or actually even if even one of them, were maphacking. Then there are a lot of people claiming this happened when opening replays that couldn't have been hacked. It's not really hard to pick a side, at least for now.
Even if this happened every single time you opened a replay against a hacker, but also happened on diferent circumstances, it is still complete bullshit to use it to call someone a map hacker.
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there will always be hackers, no way around it. be happy it enforces macro games at least
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I think it's very low to call out ButteryLlama as a maphacker and call him pathetic based on some crazy theory and no real evidence.
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I have had this happen plenty of times against random ladder opponents and against real-life friends. This is hilarious that you are claiming, without any evidence, that this somehow correlates with someone having installed a maphack. It's a random bug.
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On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.
FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.
Get the fuck out, you don't go around accusing people of hacking without good reason. That is why people are getting riled up. You didn't just present this as a possible method of detection, you are flat out saying it works and are publicly naming and shaming.
Until you can provide some hard evidence that this method is 100% reliable then you have no right to be saying what you are and definitely owe ButteryLlama an apology.
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hackers have always existed in all blizzard franchise games from duping+mh+bots in Diablo franchise, maphack and COUNtless other stuff in SC... and also in war3...
they detract from the game, but there is no getting around it.
just hope they don't negatively effect tournaments
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On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.
FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.
Your an idiot, I really wish I had the willpower not to come in here and type this but I don't. This thread needs to be closed before this kid trolls even harder.
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I started writing relax Exarl25 then realized I completely agree with you.
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On June 17 2011 09:41 zhouzhou wrote:
There's really no motive for anyone legit or neutral in the matter to aggressively deny methods. At best, they'd be skeptical/curious. It seems I've attracted a lot of maphackers in the matter though. It's not surprising, considering how easy it is to get. re: google
As well as making no suggestion or talk about how difficult it is to detect maphack with the features it provides. Just straight up deny and call BS, not the best way to hide yourselves. BL being the exception, and his friends. And by the way, this wasn't a recent incident. This happened quite some time ago. He could've "cleaned" himself from maphacks by then.
FWIW, I have hundreds and hundreds of games down with my team. Never, ever had this occur. But ladder with one overly suspicious player? Bam. It's way too blatant and lines up with wbc's theory. I check all replays. The ones I lose without the replay glitch are completely legit and never suspicious. It's always the suspicious ones that have this occur.
You're ridiculous, man. The people not agreeing with your theory are just the hackers trying to keep this on the down-low? Are you 12 or just stupid? Your thread is shit, take it to the blizzard forums dude.
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I give up. This has gone from ridiculous to full on stupid. There's no evidence of hack here but the discussion continues. It's just flaming back and forth, trolling up and down.
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Okay, this is pretty ridiculous. If you're going to call out a well-known member of the community, you'd better have some damn concrete evidence, not some wishy-washy unsubstantiated finger pointing.
This reminds me of this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156
These accusations, whether they're correct or not, are not to be taken lightly. You can't just go around pointing fingers with an OP like this.
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I stand by wbc's theory and what I've said. BL played suspicious, replay glitched. I've tested this myself, same things happens. Overly suspicious players (really, who doesn't scout against a random player?) makes it more obvious. I'm going by what I've tested and what I've seen. Not just blindly accusing people, which you seem to think I'm doing.
I understand if you're a friend of BL's, you'd be upset. That's fine, but you're just blinded by rage.
Probe1, I don't know if you read what I've said thoroughly before, but it only applies to fresh replays, not 2nd hand. That's why something like this is hard to get across unless you put some effort into it.
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So what is the mechanism by which the maphack triggers the glitch? The maphack needs to leave a clear trace in the replay for this method to work. While this is theoretically possible, it sounds very unlikely that the maphack leaves a trace than coincidentally triggers the glitch.
Bring some real evidence that maphacks cause this glitch. Until then I'll keep my opinion that this is a load of bullshit.
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