EPTNow I feel like I have around a 30% win ZvP, 50% ZvZ, and 65%+ ZvT, but I'll never know... unless I download that replay app thingy... which I should do tbh :o
Is A Real MMR Too Much to Ask For? - Page 8
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Now I feel like I have around a 30% win ZvP, 50% ZvZ, and 65%+ ZvT, but I'll never know... unless I download that replay app thingy... which I should do tbh :o | ||
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Lunchador
United States776 Posts
Tell you what, I guarantee you that if you ever hit masters league... or just played around 50 to 100 solo games in total (so not very much) throughout your sc2 career, you will stop giving a damn about your MMR. On a final note: I think if MMR was visible, we'll just see a whole ton of atrociously obnoxious people who'll go around saying, "Ohhh I'm 300 diamond, but my MMR says 800 masters. I'm just too lazy to play my games out to get there lolololol." | ||
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
So, clearly there is a problem with the ladder. Let me explain. Currently I am ranked somewhere in the 20's in my diamond division. What is my next goal? My next goal is to get top 8. Why is this a problem? Because I am facing rank 20-40 masters players. I compared my opponents to those of the top 5 players in my division. They are all facing high diamond opponents. Please spare me the whole "dude don't worry you're close to being promoted to masters." Currently, I am just trying to catch up to these other players. Why must I face opponents that would wreck the people atop my division, just to catch up to them? MMR is your true ranking, IMO scrap the entire ladder because it just caters to people that mass games. I always have a few hundred points in my bonus pool because I just don't have that much time to play. Show me the MMR! | ||
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Pixel.
Netherlands287 Posts
On July 23 2011 16:39 CellTech wrote: Sorry for bumping an old thread but I didn't want to make a new thread on a previously discussed topic. So, clearly there is a problem with the ladder. Let me explain. Currently I am ranked somewhere in the 20's in my diamond division. What is my next goal? My next goal is to get top 8. Why is this a problem? Because I am facing rank 20-40 masters players. I compared my opponents to those of the top 5 players in my division. They are all facing high diamond opponents. Please spare me the whole "dude don't worry you're close to being promoted to masters." Currently, I am just trying to catch up to these other players. Why must I face opponents that would wreck the people atop my division, just to catch up to them? MMR is your true ranking, IMO scrap the entire ladder because it just caters to people that mass games. I always have a few hundred points in my bonus pool because I just don't have that much time to play. Show me the MMR! If u play against higher opponent u get more points if u win, Or u lose lesse points if u lose. Like in the start of s2 when I won a game i get like 30 points (no bonus pool) And when i lost a game I lost around 2 - 6 points. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:08 Pixel. wrote: If u play against higher opponent u get more points if u win, Or u lose lesse points if u lose. Like in the start of s2 when I won a game i get like 30 points (no bonus pool) And when i lost a game I lost around 2 - 6 points. everyone who is stuck at the borderline diamond/master MMR (yes, including me) knows this is untrue. it is very, very difficult to beat the active rank 50 up master players. exponentially difficult, in fact, as a casual player with worse mechanics. you might get 50% more points for beating them, but there is also a 90% higher chance that you'll lose | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
Tell me how MMR can be exploited if it's shown? It can't. It is always better to win, and always worse to lose, and displaying MMR will not change this, | ||
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sCfO20
176 Posts
Anyone agree? | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On July 23 2011 16:39 CellTech wrote: So, clearly there is a problem with the ladder. Let me explain. Currently I am ranked somewhere in the 20's in my diamond division. What is my next goal? My next goal is to get top 8. Why is this a problem? Because I am facing rank 20-40 masters players. I compared my opponents to those of the top 5 players in my division. They are all facing high diamond opponents. Is your remaining bonus pool 0? If not, spend it. Then you should catch up. If it is 0, what you are saying is impossible, and you most likely havent checked the match history of yourself or the top 8 carefully enough. If everyone in the top of the division has spent his bonus pool the top should be ordered roughly according to MMR. | ||
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
used greasemonkey before and never had trouble but now :/ | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:23 Mendelfist wrote: Is your remaining bonus pool 0? If not, spend it. Then you should catch up. If it is 0, what you are saying is impossible, and you most likely havent checked the match history of yourself or the top 8 carefully enough. If everyone in the top of the division has spent his bonus pool the top should be ordered roughly according to MMR. why should you have to play hundreds of games to know where you stand? why should bonus pool be related to skill rating? it wasn't like that in chess. | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:35 shadymmj wrote: why should you have to play hundreds of games to know where you stand? why should bonus pool be related to skill rating? it wasn't like that in chess. I'm not trying to defend the system. I agree that it sucks. I'm just trying to explain to him the situation. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Trust me 70% of battlenet does not give a shit about hidden values, They just want to say, "OH HEY I'M GOLD. AWESOME!" | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:32 Art_of_Kill wrote: i have greasemonkey, but when i click on the install link (http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/103651.user.js) it leads me to the source code instead of installing, how to fix that? used greasemonkey before and never had trouble but now :/ Are you sure you have greasemonkey installed? I also don't think the script is working at the moment. It doesn't take the league lock (stop of bonus pool growth) into account. | ||
JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:50 Art_of_Kill wrote: just deinstalled and isntalled again, still leads me to the scource and not the download i use greasemonkey since like 2 years and never any trouble, why now o_______O I guess you can create a new script from within greasemonkey and then just copy and paste the code. But I can't help you much, because I haven't done it myself. | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
Right before this line BP.bonus4 = BP.bonus3; add these three lines: BP.bonus1 = 1272; BP.bonus2 = 848; BP.bonus3 = 424; These are the current bonus pools for 1v1, 2vs2 AT and 3vs3 AT. The numbers are for the EU region. If you want the calculation to be exact for your region you have to replace them, but it's not critical. This code: if (bonus_matches == null) { return; } var bonus = bonus_matches[1].trim(); BP.bonusLeft = parseInt(bonus); must be replaced with this code: if (bonus_matches == null) { BP.bonusLeft = 0; } else { var bonus = bonus_matches[1].trim(); BP.bonusLeft = parseInt(bonus); } Then the script should work as long as the ladder lock lasts. When season 3 starts it must be updated again. | ||
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:23 Mendelfist wrote: Is your remaining bonus pool 0? If not, spend it. Then you should catch up. If it is 0, what you are saying is impossible, and you most likely havent checked the match history of yourself or the top 8 carefully enough. If everyone in the top of the division has spent his bonus pool the top should be ordered roughly according to MMR. As I stated I've always been a few hundred points above 0. Here's the problem, if I want to "spend" it, aka play mass games, I'm being paired up against mid to high (50-25) Masters players. It is saying Team's Even, but the truth is I'm getting stomped. I've played around 30 games and I literally haven't moved in my ranking. If I am ranked ~25 in my diamond division, (forget about MMR for a second) why do I have to beat exponentially better players to climb above players around my level. Flawed no? What your MMR boils down to is an ACTUAL ranking, that pairs you up with other players in some +/- range of your ranking. Why is this hidden from us? If Masters are the top 2%: 98th percentile and Diamond are the top 20% minus 2% from Masters: 80th to 97.9th percentile, I would like the game to show me where in the 80% - 97.9% range I fall into. | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:07 CellTech wrote:If I am ranked ~25 in my diamond division, (forget about MMR for a second) why do I have to beat exponentially better players to climb above players around my level. Flawed no? Sorry, I missed the part where you stated that you have bonus pool remaining. Yes, I agree that it's flawed. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
In WoW PvP you also have MMR which they didn't hide last season. People managed to exploit the system getting insanely high rating they didn't deserve | ||
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