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Sickjeremiah
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
June 15 2011 13:57 GMT
#521
I hope this team goes far like SlayerS

Kick some Ars !!!!!!!!

PhoeNix FTW !
Give a man fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime. Give him religion: he'll die praying for a fish.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
June 15 2011 13:59 GMT
#522
On June 15 2011 22:56 [FSM]Doji wrote:
Don't you guys realize... This is ROOT 2.0 .
They have no sponsor, all they are doing is putting 2 famous player in a team and a few average player (spades,fayth) and hoping to get sponsors.
Kaki and Slush do not care about the PR side of things in SC2, they won't be moving to the pro-house, they didn't do it for root (kaki only moved temporarily) why would they do it now ? This whole reign team is bound to fail... they have no website, how are they gonna attract sponsor with no web traffic...

ROOT didn't work, why would this work?

Ehm, ROOT worked for kiwi, slush and Fayth because they did clearly not wanna go to coL for the money. So I don't think a website and sponsors is a problem. If it was, why would they start this in the first place?
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
June 15 2011 14:02 GMT
#523
On June 15 2011 12:50 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 12:41 Pokebunny wrote:
On June 15 2011 12:39 ROOTFayth wrote:
On June 15 2011 12:14 cavalier117 wrote:
On June 15 2011 11:37 Bluft wrote:
Fayth is a BW legend and he is a good sc2 player u`ll see more from him in the near future :D


ill admit i havent watched Fayth play sc2 in a long time, but from the games i have seen of him, couldnt even compete with Azz, whiplash or pokebunny.. let alone ANY triple A players.

as for BW legend...steep words... only north american worthy of a title like that is probably Nony (Tyler)

but hopefully he proves me wrong. with Pokebunny's reasoning. im assuming its the same with Azz, since he live in Australia and probably just doesnt want to move to the states for the team house. Whiplash is a REALLY solid player though. i wonder what his reason was. i hope we see an expanded roster soon though, it needs serious work team-wise.

when did I become this underrated lol

heh yea I think people don't give you enough credit, but I think it's fair to say you're a bit of a wild card ^^

i dont have any doubt about me being worse than kiwi, not that much worse than slush, just slightly

but to say i cant compete with azz, whiplash or you, meh cmon lol T_T


Fayth is no joke, did well at the MLG.

Hmm show match to settle this??
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
June 15 2011 14:06 GMT
#524
GOOD GLAD THEY MADE THERE OWN TEAM!!!!
SC > halo
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 15 2011 14:07 GMT
#525
On June 15 2011 22:56 [FSM]Doji wrote:
Don't you guys realize... This is ROOT 2.0 .
They have no sponsor, all they are doing is putting 2 famous player in a team and a few average player (spades,fayth) and hoping to get sponsors.
Kaki and Slush do not care about the PR side of things in SC2, they won't be moving to the pro-house, they didn't do it for root (kaki only moved temporarily) why would they do it now ? This whole reign team is bound to fail... they have no website, how are they gonna attract sponsor with no web traffic...

ROOT didn't work, why would this work?

Did you even read the OP at all, they are under VTG which already has sponsors / won't be hard for them to get them. They have a website under development. Think or actually at least read the OP before you start posting bullshit.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 15 2011 14:16 GMT
#526
This is a weird combination of players and personalities
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
June 15 2011 14:19 GMT
#527
Lost in all this is that Reign is a really awful team name. You wouldn't think going from ROOTSlush to ReignSlush could be such a catastrophic difference, but damn. It's just painful.

Then again, it's still not as bad as the Korean team names (or Team Liquid, for that matter )

Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 14:28:15
June 15 2011 14:20 GMT
#528
On June 15 2011 23:07 toadyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 22:56 [FSM]Doji wrote:
Don't you guys realize... This is ROOT 2.0 .
They have no sponsor, all they are doing is putting 2 famous player in a team and a few average player (spades,fayth) and hoping to get sponsors.
Kaki and Slush do not care about the PR side of things in SC2, they won't be moving to the pro-house, they didn't do it for root (kaki only moved temporarily) why would they do it now ? This whole reign team is bound to fail... they have no website, how are they gonna attract sponsor with no web traffic...

ROOT didn't work, why would this work?

Did you even read the OP at all, they are under VTG which already has sponsors / won't be hard for them to get them. They have a website under development. Think or actually at least read the OP before you start posting bullshit.

And what are VTG's sponsors? It's mostly privately funded by people with money.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
June 15 2011 14:30 GMT
#529
Phoenix hwaiting ~~~~
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
June 15 2011 14:39 GMT
#530
Congrats to all of you and then a special congrats to you phoenix Time to bump that English up!
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
-Doji-
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium127 Posts
June 15 2011 14:39 GMT
#531
On June 15 2011 23:20 Pokebunny wrote:

And what are VTG's sponsors? It's mostly privately funded by people with money.


Ty for providing an insider view (and proving my point ^_^) PokeBunny.
[0vO Owner] [Esports enthousiast] [ex LgN manager] [Alt GG staff]
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 15 2011 14:56 GMT
#532
On June 15 2011 10:40 tehemperorer wrote:
AWESOME congratulations guys, another team is good for SC2 imo, glad to see it's a real contenda'


Well we lost ROOT so the number of teams isn't actually changed.
Nice to see another team house though!
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
coljbass
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
June 15 2011 14:58 GMT
#533
On June 15 2011 23:07 toadyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 22:56 [FSM]Doji wrote:
Don't you guys realize... This is ROOT 2.0 .
They have no sponsor, all they are doing is putting 2 famous player in a team and a few average player (spades,fayth) and hoping to get sponsors.
Kaki and Slush do not care about the PR side of things in SC2, they won't be moving to the pro-house, they didn't do it for root (kaki only moved temporarily) why would they do it now ? This whole reign team is bound to fail... they have no website, how are they gonna attract sponsor with no web traffic...

ROOT didn't work, why would this work?

Did you even read the OP at all, they are under VTG which already has sponsors / won't be hard for them to get them. They have a website under development. Think or actually at least read the OP before you start posting bullshit.


Hey guys, I am a long time reader but first time commenter. I am the other owner of Complexity Gaming with Jason Lake. I am Jason Bass. I usually stay in the background but sometimes I see things that require a comment. For Complexity, I handle the finances and most of the business side of things, ie sponsor acquisition and working with our existing partners/sponsors. I started in eSports with GotFrag many years ago and was the COO of that company and part owner until we sold it to MLG. From there I went to become the Director of Online Marketing at the Championship Gaming Series, where Complexity was one of the two teams purchased by the league. I left CGS about a year before it fell apart and went back to my career in the Industrial Software industry where I am the Director of Marketing for a large company. I joined up with Jason and Complexity about 3 years ago now.

I see a lot of the StarCraft community say things like what I have quoted above. For those of us that have been in eSports for the last ten years of our lives we know that it is NOT ever EASY to get new sponsors. I am not saying VT won't get them or doesn't maybe even have some lined up but to say they will easily get them is simply not true. Most sales cycles in this industry are long and you have to be fairly persistent for a long period of time before you ever get a contract. Simply making a team and having the best players on earth does not get you sponsors. If that were the case there would be TONS of self sufficient organizations out there and in actuality there are about 10-20 with any real funding.

There are several challenges people face when trying to get sponsors in eSports. First, there is usually a period of education on what eSports is and why any company should care about it. You have to show them the size, explain the demographic and explain why it matters. These are all very intangible things and most people fail to ever get a meeting because they don't accomplish this. Once you have gotten this far, you have the next hurdle in convincing the target that you are a company worthy of talking to in this demographic. There is so much more to this than simply saying we win tournaments. You need a fan base, you need business acumen(you have to speak their language), they need to be able to see that there is ROI(return on investment) at the end of the rainbow, and so many other things. Once you have jumped this hurdle, you will just now get a meeting in many cases and then the real sales cycle begins. You basically have converted a lead into an opportunity and many opportunities never close. Again you are selling something that can not be seen or touched so you are value selling. The better you are at selling the value of what you do and this means convincing someone that what you do is important to them and will generate the results they are looking for, the more money you can charge for the service. This last paragraph really just skims the surface of what all is involved and certainly does not include everything. My point is to show people that this is a complicated process and debunk the perception that teams like CompLexity, EG, SK, Fnatic, Dignitas, Liquid, etc. Don't just simply send off a letter saying hi we are great and have great players, give us money and then it just happens. It takes a lot of effort and there is so much more to it.

Even after seeing the above and how complicated it is, once you have signed the partner many times it can be even more difficult to keep them. It is not as simple as slapping a logo on a player and they are happy. There is so much that goes on behind the scenes that fans never see. Promotions, ad campaigns, viral marketing, social media, trade show activations, etc, etc. If you are not good at doing these things many times a partner will never realize the ROI and will drop the team after a short period of time.

So the point is, it is not easy to get sponsors. As this industry grows it will get easier because we become something companies can no longer overlook as fringe or experimental and we get baked into budgets. We are slowly getting there and times are changing but it will never be easy.

Sorry for the long post.

/rant
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
June 15 2011 14:59 GMT
#534
Good luck to Team Reign .
Of all the speculation about where Kwi/Slush/Fayth will end up, I definitely never even imagine that they will move all the way down to San Franscisco to live in a pro house and be join by Phoenix from Korea. Sometimes RL news are just crazier than fantasy!
:)
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 15 2011 15:00 GMT
#535
On June 15 2011 23:20 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 23:07 toadyy wrote:
On June 15 2011 22:56 [FSM]Doji wrote:
Don't you guys realize... This is ROOT 2.0 .
They have no sponsor, all they are doing is putting 2 famous player in a team and a few average player (spades,fayth) and hoping to get sponsors.
Kaki and Slush do not care about the PR side of things in SC2, they won't be moving to the pro-house, they didn't do it for root (kaki only moved temporarily) why would they do it now ? This whole reign team is bound to fail... they have no website, how are they gonna attract sponsor with no web traffic...

ROOT didn't work, why would this work?

Did you even read the OP at all, they are under VTG which already has sponsors / won't be hard for them to get them. They have a website under development. Think or actually at least read the OP before you start posting bullshit.

And what are VTG's sponsors? It's mostly privately funded by people with money.

Answer your own question much.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
June 15 2011 15:10 GMT
#536
I read this as resign, and I was horribly upset. I am greatly relieved and excited for this team! :D
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
June 15 2011 15:31 GMT
#537
Kiwi fightiiing!
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
imkp
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom139 Posts
June 15 2011 15:33 GMT
#538
These guys are actually all amazing and interactive with the community. I'm glad they get to practice together and I'm sure with their motivation and the work they seem to be planning to put in they'll be the best in NA soon enough!
quRax
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)264 Posts
June 15 2011 15:42 GMT
#539
Woah !
Good news! This is great news for the foreign scene:D
Polt, Polt and Polt.
Remaker12
Profile Joined June 2011
United States105 Posts
June 15 2011 15:47 GMT
#540
These guys are going to need a lot of money to have the same relentless schedule as the Korean Pro teams. Best of luck. I want to see SC2 completely take over NA pro gaming scenes.
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