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Phays
Sweden162 Posts
But recently, or to be more exakt the last month I have started to dislike his casting, I cannot really put the finger on what makes me dislike it, I just do. Perhaps it is that I tasteless just seems to have lost a bit of his passion to the game? and I like artosis/(wolf/khaldor) more because artosis get the chance to talk more about the actually game with someone when he doesnt cast with tasteless. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On July 11 2012 05:43 6d.Leek wrote: There probably exist an infinite amount of opinions regarding casters as a simple result of human preference (ie when presented with two objects of similar function [in our case casters], it is your natural tendency to draw comparative conclusions). However, I think that far too often people vocalize their concerns, especially when they don't have the credentials to pass judgement (let alone the mechanics to properly articulate a viewpoint which in this case seems to be "Tasteless is not as good of caster as he was before") on an individual who is literally IN Korea, earning money as a result of his casting. The very nature of his job makes scrutinizing very easy but dissenters often forget that he is HUMAN. His past has granted him at the very least the benefit of the doubt in his supposed spree of sub-optimal casts. The internet makes expressing an opinion ridiculously easy, but that also allows half-thoughts and crass opinions percolate through the eSports spectator consciousness which are either too pedantic or just arguing a non-issue. All of this makes the volume of personal insults in a very clearly titled constructive criticisms thread too much to bear. But the bottom line seems to be this: these threads are made with the intention of (ideally speaking) aiding the individuals driving esports. But from a wholly utilitarian standpoint, there are much more productive ways to contribute (go liquidpedia!) without rehashing worthless opinions. I mean do people actually think that Tasteless cares about what uninformed SPECTATORS think about his casting? I am absolutely sure he knows what he needs to do, but the question to anyone posting comments falsely disguised as constructive criticism: do you? Most post i've read that don't have the "old post" sign are mostly about the fact that Tasteless just doesn't know much about the game compared to the other casters. I haven't read everything but there's very little personal insults in the last few pages. More like people want him to actually get to the point where he and Artosis could have banter about the game in the same way Artosis and Wolf does. Take football for example. The play by play guy and the expert both have a ton of knowledge, no play by play guy gets away by being charming but lacking knowledge (at least that i know of). You absolutely need to study and be in the know to do it. It's not to much to ask, is it? | ||
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kyriores
Greece178 Posts
Playing the game yourself is a quite important thing to do as a caster, since you become familiar with the possible situations each race might encounter in each matchup, which helps a lot in casting. | ||
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Narfinger
53 Posts
- Talk about the game. I know you like jokes. Some people like them. But listen to any cast by Wolf and Khaldor. They don't start with 5 minutes of Pokemon jokes. They list player stats, what is going on with the players, talk about the current metagame in this matchup and a lot more. They concentrate on Starcraft, not on your nerdy hobbies. - The game is the most important part. This is similar to the first part but a bit different. Too often I have to listen to Tasteless talk about pokemon or dubstep or "hater-nerds" while there is something interesting going on in the game. I swear I remember at least one game where this was going on until the game was basically won. - If you want to do play by play, do it. Try to listen to what tasteless says alone without artosis. And then listen to any other play by play caster. They talk so much more about the game and what is going on. Tasteless just fills the time with pointless phrases until Artosis jumps in to save him and does the play by play. How often did you hear: "There is so much going on, guys.", "He is literally everywhere.", "Now we see the factory liften up for the starport.", "And here we see the terran moving out.", "this is no longer a game of strategy but a game of math.". I know every caster has phrases he repeats. That is fine. But I can't shake the feeling that this is all Tasteless says. - Don't make the game boring until it is over. Many people will probably missunderstand this. I am not talking about calling the game over. I am talking about repeating how the game is over now instead of casting what the player tries to do. However I want to stress that not everything is bad. Sometimes he asks interesting questions. Sometimes he does good play by play. But all these points really contribute to me generally disliking his asts. Some month ago it was really bad imho but it got at least a bit better. There was also few casts which where very good but I can't remember the games. | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
Tasteless being Tasteless is what makes his casting so good. | ||
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Karioha
10 Posts
Positive: He could be a far worse and more arrogant caster such as the FATASS SCUMBAG shit/fatcontrol | ||
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Gorg
Germany261 Posts
On July 11 2012 06:04 Karioha wrote: OK, here is my review to tasteless. Positive: He could be a far worse and more arrogant caster such as the FATASS SCUMBAG shit/fatcontrol is something wrong with your brain? @topic: imo, he improved a bit lately and i hope he keeps doing so and hopefully reaches his prime like in the good old days. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On July 11 2012 06:04 Karioha wrote: OK, here is my review to tasteless. Positive: [b]He could be a far worse and more arrogant caster such as the I posted something stupid, didn't remove it, so I guess I'm a fuckkkkkking idiot] ^ reworked your sentence to be a little more realistic. | ||
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Karioha
10 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
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Maxhster
Fiji473 Posts
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Hilmar
Sweden3 Posts
On July 11 2012 05:02 FrogOfWar wrote: Until you've heard CatsPajamas and Doa say "No kidding!" fifteen times during one game, you don't know what the terms "repetitive" and "broken record" really mean. I liked Tasteless very much in Broodwar days, now not so much, but I don't know whether he has changed or I have. I'm tired of him explaining that with plus one, zealots kill zerglings in two hits instead of three. In Tastosis, I think Artosis' analysis is way better (and definitely top three overall as far as foreigners go), and also he is way funnier. Somehow I find Tasteless try-hard nowadays. MrBitter is very good and has earned a medal for his 12 weeks with the pros alone. Bitterdam tend to giggle too much about random non sc related stuff for my taste. A lot can be said about Day9, but it's hard to deny that he's a highly competent, professional and entertaining caster. </2 cents> I would agree with pretty much all of this. I absolutely loved Tasteless when I was new to the scene watching the bw gomtv leagues. He was my favorite caster along with Nukethestars. I too don't know if it is my years of watching other stuff and learning the game(s) or if he has actually gotten worse, but the fact that I still enjoy Nuke a lot suggests that the stagnation of Tasteless' casting doesn't appeal to me. That being said, he has gotten a lot better than he was a few months ago. His constant repeating of Artosis' points like it was his own genius idea used to make his casting almost unwatchable to me. Constructive criticism is good for anyone, if our 'heroes' start to stagnate and get repetitive, we loose interest in them, that is as true for Stratovarius as it is for Tasteless, or Day[J] for that matter. The only bother I really have at the moment is their tendency to talk about random stuff way too much. Especially before the first game is about to begin. I understand that there is a lot of time to fill, and I wouldn't complain if they made the intro time about half of what it is today, but I can always skip that on the vods. What I would like is some real info on the players, especially if there is some foreign player making perhaps a one time showing in the GSL. Who really wants to hear Tastosis bantering about how hungry they are and how much they're looking forward to pizza?! I want to hear them talk about how awesome Thorzain is, and why! Talk about his style and how it is adapting to the Korean scene, or whatever... Talk about his last showings in the GSL, or how his games were when he played against Polt in Dreamhack. These are facts that can be interesting even when watching vods months later. tl;dr: I love Thorzain, apparently... :D | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
Calling the first non-korean professional caster inexperienced. I think you need to go buy a dictionary broseph. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
On July 11 2012 06:20 Maxhster wrote: theres a reason tastosis is widely considered the best casting duo around, and its not only based on artosis... Tasteless calls and screams out when units are moving, or when something is dying or exploding. Other than that, he really isnt talking about the game at all, it's mostly artosis. Again, I wouldnt have it any other way, but tasteless is almost purely comic relief, and nothing more. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
1. There's a lot of debate about how to handle a game that is definitely "over" even if it has maybe 10 minutes left still potentially. Regardless of that actual debate, it feels a lot like when tasteless is in that situation, his whole cast actually just goes, like the tone of the game is controlling how well he can fill. Where previously there might have been random downtime or filler occupied with jokes, "IIIIIII don't really know what to say guys" and sort of awkward silences follow. Again, regardless of whether that attitude should be taken to any game or casters should never give up never surrender or be realistic or however you think it should be, I just think it's worth noting that the pace of the game shouldn't seem to impact your actual mood so much. 2. Every caster has his image or brand at this point, if they're one of the major couple. Day9 caters to new audiences and every cast is sort of an individual one-time experience, Artosis is the professor, Bitter and Rotterdam are "college roomates having fun", Totalbiscuit is shouty, Wheat is passionate....and Tasteless is sort of tasteless. The cast has been basically the same for a long time, and it's always with dan (with one exception I can think of). I don't want to imply like, it's gotten old and boring, because i dont think it has...but it has become all i can remember when i think of tasteless. I think it could be really invigorating for some sort of side project to happen. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
I imagine Tasteless as a gold league player on NA, not sure what to say so he just makes jokes and talks about ''nerdy'' stuff, as someone said, pokémons etc etc and Artosis does the real thing... I get the impression he no longer has any ambition/motivation to cast enthustically and will stop casting soon...  .... | ||
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MassacrisM
United Kingdom149 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
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