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i love tasteless to death, but plugging handsomenerd.com while symbol was crying in the booth was kinda too much. he should've directed people to his twiter or tl fanclub or something
also, i do think he doesnt have the passion for sc2 like he did for bw. i understand that, its a lesser game. it makes me sad, but he did so much to promote sc2, i cant really blame him for anything, he deserves everything he got out of it.
thanks tasteless <3
edit: also, on a subject of his game knowledge, when he asks artosis "should he now do this" or "would you just now switch into this" and similiar question, i think it's actually more for the viewers then himself, really. im barely breaking masters league on EU, and i still find some of those questions really good, strategy-wise. so no i dont think he has lacking game knowledge, but i do think he lacks enthousiasm for sc2. which are two separate subjects
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I disagree with the OP.
I'll take more fooling around. We don't need to be serious business, just have fun 
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Does he still play the game? I never see him alluding to that.
This is not meant to be criticism but rather genuine curiousity, I love Tastosis and if it weren't for them, I would have stopped caring about SC2 a long long time ago.
I'd just like to know where casters stand in their ability to play relative top-players and pro-gamers.
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On July 11 2012 21:24 kafkaesque wrote:
Does he still play the game? I never see him alluding to that.
Let's see if JP asks this in Real talk of realness. I think he has to ask it.
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the problem i find the most annoying is that they (tasteless and artosis) make jokes about people on the foreign community that no everybody should know of... i mean if i wanna show sc2 to my friends and try to make them understand the game, talking about incontrol's space marines is not going to help...
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There is a difference between criticizing Tasteless personality and his casting.
No amount of fans, and defense can change the fact that he is not interested about the game off the record. Artosis is casting, Tasteless is trying to cast. If you do things because you used to do it, but not because you want to do it - it shows everytime.
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I've come full circle. I used to love Tastless, then I started to prefer other play by play casters but now, I imply think Tastless is perfect for the GSL. His casting is relaxed and his casting doesn't make me anxious the same way Day9's or Apollo's casting does; stressing their voice when it really is not needed.
I actually feel like I'm watching a professional caster when I listen to Tasteless, in the sense that he's very comfortable casting the GSL and with Artosis.
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On July 11 2012 19:57 K_Dilkington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 19:31 TRaFFiC wrote:
I love Tasteless to death, but he seems to have left sc2 behind. I doubt he plays more than a few hours a week or watches replays. He's stuck commentating like he did 1+ years ago. It's starting to become embarrassing for him. He has nothing to contribute to Artosis whatsoever. Just sticks to stating the obvious.
I wish he would come back to sc2, but that is doubtful.
It's like a government job in a European country. Once you got it, stop working. What's the point of working when you can't be fired? Very true, according to a Sabin, a guy working as a producer for MLG's fighting game division, Tasteless told him that he doesn't even play starcraft anymore, he simply shows up for his casting work. I think we're at the poin where most people are knowledgeable enough that Tasteles' glaring misstakes and ignorance when it comes to the game are starting to show.
According to who and what? This is how rumors are started and drama starts molding. Please don't start stating something because he say or she said said this and that.
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I find Tasteless' supposed lack of play/in depth game knowledge irrelevant. He still knows more about the game than most players and definitely more than most spectators. He's very good at providing play by play and letting Artosis provide analysis which makes for a great combination.
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On July 11 2012 21:08 snailz wrote:
i love tasteless to death, but plugging handsomenerd.com while symbol was crying in the booth was kinda too much. he should've directed people to his twiter or tl fanclub or something
That was massive sellout move lol.... I remember tastosis hyping Symbol up so much in the GSTL
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I brought three of my non-gaming friends to MLG Anaheim to booze and watch my passion with me. Every one of them, at different times during the weekend, asked why Tasteless was casting as he seemed to "know less than the other guys" and/or was far less engaged than the other casters. Small sample size obviously, but worth noting.
I liked Tasteless in 2010; however, 2012 Tasteless doesn't have 1/10th the passion that Artosis does and that is reflected in every cast now. He seems like a good guy, just a good guy who doesn't really care about SC anymore and is simply riding out a gig. There is no hunger there any longer. He often falls back on the same tired patterns, has a medicore (at best) knowledge of current playstyles, and often makes incorrect calls, leaving Artosis to gracefully clean up after him.
Hope he finds his hunger or moves on to another endeavor. He's a sharp guy, he will absolutely find something.
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On July 11 2012 19:38 Sherlock-Canada wrote:
Not really concerned about Tasteless' knowledge of the game. This is classic sportscasting, adapted to Starcraft: get a guy with charisma to dictate the what's happening, have a smarter guy to give you a bit more theory, a bit more history, and a bit more of the implications. If you've ever watched other sports, this is an extremely standard casting setup, and I rather like it.
EDIT: And if I never heard Khaldor's voice again, I die a happy man.
Starcraft isn't like mainstream sports. It's much more complex. Increased game knowledge will always increase a caster's appeal. And the fact that he's the play by play guy doesn't excuse saying a bunch of things that are incorrect, which he undeniably does.
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I'm a huge fan of doa, an excellent caster. I know it's tradition to have one analyst and one play by play caster, but I still think Artosis / doa would make a wicked combo
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Meh, if Tasteless hadn't teamed up with Artosis, he'd have long gone down the Moletrap route imo. If Artosis quit commentating tomorrow (which would be a huge loss, he's an amazing caster and a cool personality), Tasteless would immediately become irrelevant.
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liked Tasteless in 2010; however, 2012 Tasteless doesn't have 1/10th the passion that Artosis does and that is reflected in every cast now. He seems like a good guy, just a good guy who doesn't really care about SC anymore and is simply riding out a gig. There is no hunger there any longer. He often falls back on the same tired patterns, has a medicore (at best) knowledge of current playstyles, and often makes incorrect calls, leaving Artosis to gracefully clean up after him.
exactly how i feel
but still, tastosis is my favourite duo i think.
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My constructive criticism for Tasteless:
1. "Yeah, there is not much going on here/no too much to say about what is going on right now guys."
Alright, even if both players are playing standard and we won't see any actions for another good 5 minutes, it is YOUR job, as a caster, to eliminate the awkward silences between player introduction and the first big engagement. Talk about the special features of the map, talk about the race win % of the map, talk about each player's opening, talk about each player's strength, weakness, strong MU, weak MU, the metagame shift (example: "right now tons of people think Zerg is OP due to the range buff on Queens allowing for....." etc.) heck talk about the NEXT map if (if you know what it is) is better than telling the audience "yeah nothing going on here" or "player X is building a depot. player Y is building an overlord".
2. Since I am a DRG fan, I actually noticed the fact that Tasteless have actually NEVER said DRG's real ID which is DongRaeGu. He is introduced as such by the Korean street-fighter voice guy however every time, every FUCKING time Tasteless (and you too Artosis) just uses the acronym DRG. He doesn't do that for MarineKingPrime (uses MKP instead of MarineKing every time) is it because he feels silly saying "Dong" or what is up with that?
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I loved Tasteless when I saw him back in 2010 and even way after that (until mid 2011), he just had such great and funny stories to tell and the chemistry between him and Artosis was just perfect. Just think about all the great moments where he talked about that donut story or pirate bird, while nothing exciting happened and Artosis and Tasteless where talking about what you could do at home, while they had a break. For some reason Tasteless doesn´t talk about such things anymore, which I miss a lot from him.
If I had to pinpoint a time were I felt that Tasteless began to change, I would say it was about the time when they showed the GSL SC2 Tasteless accomplishment montage at Blizzcon 2011.
IMHO Tasteless is a great caster, he probably has some personal matters to solve for himself until he can cast with that same energy and passion again. Life is not easy and everyone who struggles hard will come back even better and with much joy.
I am patient, I can wait. We should believe in him. He´s Tasteless after all.
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Artosis and Tasteless is half the reason I watch GSL.
They have great chemistry and both are equally important.
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One thing that I've noticed about many casters, and in this case GSL specifically, is that they are not prepared with any statistics that are not compiled and displayed by Gom during the match (which sometimes even seems to catch them off-guard). This would be a great way to kill some of the downtime while players are macroing without having to say, "Sooo not much will be happening for a while guys...Artosis ask me a question".
Plenty of other casters in sports have stat cheat sheets to which they can refer during the game. Take baseball for instance - there's a ton of time where not much is happening, and casters are prepared with batting averages, righty-lefty splits, home vs away performance, etc. With regards to SC2, it'd be great if they had something like that prepared to discuss especially when they are casting games where they expect to have some time to kill i.e. players known for going heavy macro builds.
It may also help them frame the stats displayed by GOM in better context, rather than just saying "oh so Marineking typically wins his games between the 15-18 minute mark*, that's interesting". Tell me why - what builds does he do that favor that timing? Or when a player's record on a map is displayed - is their winrate low because they lost a couple games to cheese? How does it relate to the racial trend?, but use hard numbers like, Terran is 12-25 against Z on Metropolis*, but Marineking is 3-1*, while also being prepared to explain what he did differently in those games and why other T tend to fail without falling back to just saying he's "better"; we already know that.
I still love the work that they do and the casting is one of the reasons I'm a full-year GSL subscriber. I do have a soft spot for solo Wolf casting though...I thought he did a fantastic job.
Edit: the * is not intended to be factually accurate
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"Throwing out these facts isn't going to hurt anybody."
Except that nothing you brought up are facts, they are personal opinions. Your opinion != fact.
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