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I'm a big fan of tastosis, but does anybody else find tasteless slightly inexperienced as a caster?
(inexperienced as in, making rookie mistakes, not his actual experience)
I don't know about him being commentator in bw, but from the gsl's i noticed he's
1.) overly repetitive in diction- for example
"he's so SOLID", "he's playing so GOOD", "it's going to be so COOL". I don't understand why he can't use... more descriptive words whenever he's trying to add something to the cast. Not only that, he just constantly overuses these words, making him sound like a broken record sometimes. It's weird since he seems quite articulate in casual settings.
2.) cuts Artosis off too frequently, at the wrong times
-only to add "he's so GOOD"
Artosis is the commentator, let him get technical with his part, and cut him off when u have to (ie when something happens on the map).
3.) needs to be more PROFESSIONAL
-I'm not even talking about the eating and drinking during matches. i don't think this "relaxed mindset" during casting is so detrimental to the event,,, but..
- Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright. Esports is still largely unaccepted in society, even in korea (i'm a korean, so i know). If you don't act to the bare minimum on one of esports premier events, how do you expect people to start taking this sport seriously?
**THIS DOES NOT MEAN he should stop fooling around and start casting seriously. the Lax casting is a part of his charm, for the billionth time i've mentioned. Needing more professionalism DOESNT mean they need to stop being hilarious.
I know i might come off sounding too critical, but i realized Tastosis is and will most likely be the "voice" of starcraft 2 (for the foreigners, at least). Both casters are very likable, and i would like nothing more than the very best, since i'm one of those people who watches GSL's due to entertainment value i get from listening to you guys.
Thanks
**To the people who obviously is being overprotective of our casters, realize that this is NOTHING personal. Throwing out these facts isn't going to hurt anybody.
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I disagree with all of the above.
I wouldn't recommend changing any of the thing mentioned above, he's doing a great job and I've never noticed him cut off Artosis in any manner that's noticeable and detracts from the cast.
Great job Tasteless, keep up the good work. Don't change a thing.
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If he becomes more professional i will be disappointed.. Hes doing perfect imho. I don't want a Serious cast. I want to relax and have fun and hear some stupid shit from time to time. Which is exactly what we get with the current Tastosis
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I agree with you entirely. Huge artosis/Day9/IdrA fan when it comes to casting. I've only seen Mr. Bitter once, but i thought he was really good too.
I don't mind a little goofing around sometimes... Day9 and Artosis do this all the time, but when something is happening in the game he gets down to business and do their job. I too get pretty dissapointed when Artosis is saying something that is interesting or important and he gets cut off by tasteless who then adds nothing to the cast. I thought I was the only one who saw this.
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Also, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tasteless is more experienced as a caster than Artosis, so I don't really get the, "slightly inexperienced as a caster" bit. I don't see that at all.
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I really can't agree with any of what you said. But saying that, this was a really good and cool post. If i may even go as far as to say- This post was the sex. Ahem, good and cool sex.
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I watch gsl half to see the players and half listen to tastosis make dumb jokes and talk about random stuff. I hope they never change. People complain about Gretorp cause hes boring, tastosis is never boring.
btw if youre offended by the word sex..... you probably shouldnt be awake watching gsl at the time its on anyway.
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I agree a bit with 1, and disagree with 2 and 3. I feel sometimes he could go into a bit more in depth with his thoughts and also articulate more rather than just say someone is good, but it really isn't a big complaint from me whatsoever. If nothing changes I wouldn't even be a little bit disappointed, but I just feel that it would be an improvement he could do that I feel others would appreciate (such as the OP).
As for the sex comment, I didn't hear that, but that's a whole different debate about which words you can and can't use which I won't give my opinion on here.
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On June 12 2011 15:08 pc_room_freak wrote:
I'm a big fan of tastosis, but does anybody else find tasteless slightly inexperienced as a caster?
I don't know about him being commentator in bw, but from the gsl's i noticed he's
3.) needs to be more PROFESSIONAL
-I'm not even talking about the eating and drinking during matches. i don't think this "relaxed mindset" during casting is so detrimental to the event,,, but..
- Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright. Esports is still largely unaccepted in society, even in korea (i'm a korean, so i know). If you don't act to the bare minimum on one of esports premier events, how do you expect people to start taking this sport seriously?
First, he's been commentating for years. You state that you don't know what you're talking about and yet you didn't attempt to find out?
Second, use the search function and read the 200 threads about "professionalism"
Lastly, if "sex" is a bad thing for popularity, I have been receiving the wrong message from cheerleaders all my life and must be a pervert. Either that or it's not as taboo as you think.
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I never really noticed #1, so it doesn't bother me. #2 just kind of happens when you're doing that sort of thing, and they both do it. It's not just a Tasteless problem. #3 I just flat out disagree with. I think walking on eggshells would hurt more than help.
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Tasteless is the best caster the world has ever seen. His mainly voice and John Travolta Face come together, bringing sex to your ears and eyes.
Also, hes just a really entertaining caster and has far more experience and prestige than most other casters.
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On June 12 2011 15:12 Mordiford wrote:
Also, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tasteless is more experienced as a caster than Artosis, so I don't really get the, "slightly inexperienced as a caster" bit. I don't see that at all.
It's like saying the person who plays the most starcraft 2 is the best player at starcraft 2 which is possible, but isn't necessarily the case. Nick has a lot of experience in that he's been doing it a lot of time, however, his re-usage of words and rampant cutting off of Dan is what the OP speaks of when he mentions inexperience.
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On June 12 2011 15:14 Rykros wrote:
No body can be perfect. I think hes doing a pretty good job . I like them both . Just one thing. Sometimes they call for a game to be over too early and sometimes even the winner is the opposite of what they predicted some time ago. Example Nestea vs Scfou game 5 last gsl .. Tasteless called it b4 that sc has almost taken it but in the end nestea won ...., he was counting him out..
Yeah, I've noticed this as a whole in general with Tastosis, but I feel Artosis may be a bit more guilty of this, where he builds a player up like crazy before their match and then they hilariously lose like 20 minutes later. It's not really annoying or anything like that, it's just kind of funny.
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Hopefully the scene doesn't become some type of uptight, boring, super serious thing with a really crappy atmosphere and people taking it too far. The scene is great how it is, this is a game after all, and gamers need a good sense of humor along with a good posture so that esports can grow outside of just a certain type of gamer all the time.
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I would disagree that Tasteless is inexperienced as a caster. It's the exact opposite. Everything that you mentioned stems from Tasteless being highly experienced as a caster. Brand new casters usually go highly professional, technical terms, etc. We've known Tasteless for almost eternity, and the style that he developed is the style that we've all grown to love and enjoy. I would not want Tasteless to be anything else.
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oh god, tastosis- please dont change. you are the perfect casting archon as is. i would never watch gsl again pending a "more professional" shift. one of the things that makes it such a great experience watching them is how casual they are.
tasteless himself is also far from inexperienced. he is the caster, not the commentator. he is a play-by-play guy but can actually analyze the game quite well if he needs to- considering he has practically lived all things starcraft for the past 5-6 years. Compare him to someone like Husky (albeit husky has gotten substantially better in the past year or so), and he is the prophet of starcraft.
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On June 12 2011 15:16 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 15:12 Mordiford wrote:
Also, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tasteless is more experienced as a caster than Artosis, so I don't really get the, "slightly inexperienced as a caster" bit. I don't see that at all. It's like saying the person who plays the most starcraft 2 is the best player at starcraft 2 which is possible, but isn't necessarily the case. Nick has a lot of experience in that he's been doing it a lot of time, however, his re-usage of words and rampant cutting off of Dan is what the OP speaks of when he mentions inexperience.
No, it's like saying the person who plays more Starcraft 2 has more experience playing Starcraft 2.
If the OP was implying that Tasteless comes off as a "rookie" despite actually being more experienced than his co-caster, that's one thing, but in regards to that, like I said, "I don't see that at all".
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with #3 i find the "relaxed mindset" very pleasant to listen to. the few times i heard Husky (for example) in the TSL, his style kept me on edge because he would never take a break between sentences and it seemed so clogged whereas Tastless is much more relaxing to listen to. Not only that but i feel like he gets appropriately excited and helps build tension at the right moments anyway.
#2 Used to be a lot worse then he used to be, but he's gotten a LOT better at that so i dont mind for now.
only noticed #1 once or twice (and when you think about the number of games they have to cast a lil' stagnation is probably inevitable)
I didnt think the whole sex thing was a big deal (were you refering to the "so and so... is the flat-tire of sex"?) i remember that and maybe one other time that sex was mentioned.
All in all i there IS room for improvement, but considering the rate at which they've gotten better at is pretty amazing, i'm not too concerned. The only constructive criticism i can think of is paying more attention to what the observer is showing, sometimes he notices an upgrade or a small trick one of the players is doing that tastosis misses.
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Disagree with everything completely except maybe the sex thing. I can see GSL as being a family show, so talking about sex and using vulgarities is probably not the best idea. Also, while a stronger diction couldn't hurt, I don't really mind Tasteless being Tasteless -- that's what makes their casting duo so good.
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