EPTOn June 12 2011 15:08 pc_room_freak wrote:
- Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright.
- Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright.
Not even for pleasure?
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Ezekyle
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Halcyondaze
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Megaliskuu
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On June 12 2011 15:08 pc_room_freak wrote: 3.) needs to be more PROFESSIONAL -I'm not even talking about the eating and drinking during matches. i don't think this "relaxed mindset" during casting is so detrimental to the event,,, but.. - Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright. Esports is still largely unaccepted in society, even in korea (i'm a korean, so i know). If you don't act to the bare minimum on one of esports premier events, how do you expect people to start taking this sport seriously? I know i might come off sounding too critical, but i realized Tastosis is and will most likely be the "voice" of starcraft 2 (for the foreigners, at least). Both casters are very likable, and i would like nothing more than the very best, since i'm one of those people who watches GSL's due to entertainment value i get from listening to you guys. Thanks Get off your high horse, Tastosis do a damn fine job, their lax casting is what makes them so great. | ||
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Mordiford
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On June 12 2011 15:48 pc_room_freak wrote: Don't get me wrong, i too am a tastosis fan, i think they are probably the only casters that come close to the OSL casters from bw (in terms of commentating and entertainment). Especially artosis, i think he is by FAR the best commentator from the GSL (personal preference obviously). him and tasteless make a great combo, and I know that those two are and will be the best english speaking commentating the sport has to offer. But that doesn't deny the fact that changes need to be made. Like I said, this relaxed, casting-on-the-couch style from tastois doesn't bother me AT ALL. I think it's what makes them fun and separates them from the strict style of commentating that korean broodwar casters use. In fact, mentioning sex during casting did not offend me personally in any way. I found the joke to be funny actually, and i'm not too keen on following rules to the last letter or anything like that. But, that's only valid for certain demographics. If you want the sport to be accepted by a larger audience, there is a level of professionalism that must be met. Or do you actually think NBA, NHL commentators talk how they do on TV because they are all boring people in real life? (i'm not comparing esport to any of these leagues, but just making a point). I'm not suggesting them to become strict and boring. cuz like i said, I :LIKE the way they do casting. BUT THERE IS A STANDARD IN SOCIETY THAT must be met, or it will create nothing but bad images for the sport. I don't care if you or I aren't offended by the sex jokes, cuz ITS NOT ABOUT THAT. Whose standards though? If we go by the youngest audience we want for the game and then appropriate it to the standards of Europe or North America, or Korea or whatever, we'll get a different set of what's acceptable and unacceptable and furthermore based on demographics. So we set a fair standard of what's appropriate based on the baseline content of the game. The content of the GSL casts are perfectly acceptable for that. | ||
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Glimred
China888 Posts
Stop calling Nada the "renaissance nerd". What does that even mean? He already has nicknames and they've been with him for quite a few years, the Genius Terran or Tornado Terran. | ||
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Melange
United States39 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:56 Mordiford wrote: Whose standards though? If we go by the youngest audience we want for the game and then appropriate it to the standards of Europe or North America, or Korea or whatever, we'll get a different set of what's acceptable and unacceptable and furthermore based on demographics. So we set a fair standard of what's appropriate based on the baseline content of the game. The content of the GSL casts are perfectly acceptable for that. I agree with what you're saying about how it turns into an awkward situation because you can't meet EVERYONE's standards. But i disagree with you saying that "sex" is appropriated based on the baseline content of the game. SC2 has no mention of sex, and that alone should be enough to stop talking about sex. If there is no sex in sc2, how is appropriate based on the baseline content of the game like you claim? | ||
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statik
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and starcraft 2 is rated teen in america. I don't know what teen in america would be offended by the word sex. | ||
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Imerej
Canada291 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:16 starcraft911 wrote: It's like saying the person who plays the most starcraft 2 is the best player at starcraft 2 which is possible, but isn't necessarily the case. Nick has a lot of experience in that he's been doing it a lot of time, however, his re-usage of words and rampant cutting off of Dan is what the OP speaks of when he mentions inexperience. His rampant cutting off of Dan? Sorry I like Artosis' quick lessons too but a lot of the times it's necessary for Tasteless to cut him off when he's doing one of these. Maybe there's a drop happening? Maybe a small engagement? Something really unexpected?Something game changing? These are the only times I have ever seen Tasteless cut off Artosis... | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:41 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: He prematurely GGs too much. Also, in general, Tastosis kill hype by either just going silent during epic battles, failing to compliment epic battles with epic commentary, and once again, GG'ing before a player does so. A commentator/caster's job is to make viewing more interesting, as well as give some insight to the game going on. GG'ing before a player does not make any sense because it's like they're saying "ok, i'm too lazy to try to think of a way to still make this game seem epic, I'll just tell viewers I think the game will end soon and I don't think there will be a comeback". I understand when it's completely GG, but when they do it after a battle when it's in the lategame and both people still have big economies or other situations where the advantage isn't very defined, it's very disappointing. Tl;dr Premature GG is the opposite of the purpose of a commentator/caster, please stop doing it Tastosis. The purpose of a caster is to entertain and inform. If the game is over, they have the right to acknowledge that. While playing the game you don't have the sight of your opponent so you may assume that they are not as far ahead of you as they actually are. Sometimes the game is just over, nothing else to say about it. VERY rarely is this ever the case, and it is totally acceptable for a caster to say this. Have you ever heard a Football/Basketball caster talk as if a game is still in contest when a team is down enough points that it is impossible to come back? No, because they call it how it is | ||
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Xova
United States342 Posts
We should cater to the fans who are OK with these things, I don't think we should cater to the younger crowd or anyone who shouldn't be subject to hearing "sex" no matter what context it's being used in. If Starcraft gets restricted to not being as big as it could be because we don't cater to these people I'm fine with that, because I like the game and community the way it is and the casters the way they are. | ||
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pc_room_freak
United States26 Posts
On June 12 2011 16:03 NoobSh1t wrote: His rampant cutting off of Dan? Sorry I like Artosis' quick lessons too but a lot of the times it's necessary for Tasteless to cut him off when he's doing one of these. Maybe there's a drop happening? Maybe a small engagement? Something really unexpected?Something game changing? These are the only times I have ever seen Tasteless cut off Artosis... like i said in my post, if something is happening on the map, he's more than welcome to cut off. In fact, it would be bad if he didn't. (btw tasteless has also cut artosis off numerous times when there ISNT anything gamechanging. If you don't think so, you clearly haven't watched alot of their videos. sometimes, it's almost like he NEEDS to predict what's going to happen in the game, and he just HAS to do it before artosis gets to.) | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On June 12 2011 16:03 NoobSh1t wrote: His rampant cutting off of Dan? Sorry I like Artosis' quick lessons too but a lot of the times it's necessary for Tasteless to cut him off when he's doing one of these. Maybe there's a drop happening? Maybe a small engagement? Something really unexpected?Something game changing? These are the only times I have ever seen Tasteless cut off Artosis... I totally agree. Tasteless is in control of the camera, remember that people. He sees alot, and probably assumes (which he should) that what he is looking at is more important (which it is) than what Dan is saying/looking at | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:46 Melange wrote: I would agree if SC2 had any sexual implications in it. But there's not a hint of it in there, so that's why I don't see talking about sex as appropriate. I agree that SC2 itself is age-restrictive because of the violence, but I feel like that's in a different category. You could be right though, I really don't know how this affects children in the age group we're talking about. One joke offended you this much when there are pg 13 movies parents take their 7 years olds to see that have way more sex jokes than a tastosis cast. Are you serious? | ||
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LeFroMaGe
United States628 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:22 hmunkey wrote: Disagree with everything completely except maybe the sex thing. I can see GSL as being a family show, so talking about sex and using vulgarities is probably not the best idea. Also, while a stronger diction couldn't hurt, I don't really mind Tasteless being Tasteless -- that's what makes their casting duo so good. Gonna have to agree with this, I mean lets be honest its not like they have to deal with the FCC or something, this is being streamed over the internet. I don't know if you sit down with a younger kid and say "lets watch the GSL with Tastosis". Tasteless makes the GSL for me and I'm pretty sure for many others. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
[QUOTE]On June 12 2011 15:48 pc_room_freak wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2011 15:10 Mordiford wrote: I disagree with all of the above. I wouldn't recommend changing any of the thing mentioned above, he's doing a great job and I've never noticed him cut off Artosis in any manner that's noticeable and detracts from the cast. Great job Tasteless, keep up the good work. Don't change a thing.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, i too am a tastosis fan, i think they are probably the only casters that come close to the OSL casters from bw (in terms of commentating and entertainment). Especially artosis, i think he is by FAR the best commentator from the GSL (personal preference obviously). him and tasteless make a great combo, and I know that those two are and will be the best english speaking commentating the sport has to offer. But that doesn't deny the fact that changes need to be made. Like I said, this relaxed, casting-on-the-couch style from tastois doesn't bother me AT ALL. I think it's what makes them fun and separates them from the strict style of commentating that korean broodwar casters use. In fact, mentioning sex during casting did not offend me personally in any way. I found the joke to be funny actually, and i'm not too keen on following rules to the last letter or anything like that. But, that's only valid for certain demographics. If you want the sport to be accepted by a larger audience, there is a level of professionalism that must be met. Or do you actually think NBA, NHL commentators talk how they do on TV because they are all boring people in real life? (i'm not comparing esport to any of these leagues, but just making a point). I'm not suggesting them to become strict and boring. cuz like i said, I :LIKE the way they do casting. BUT THERE IS A STANDARD IN SOCIETY THAT must be met, or it will create nothing but bad images for the sport. I don't care if you or I aren't offended by the sex jokes, cuz ITS NOT ABOUT THAT. [/QUOTE] Please, Society does not coincide with E-sports at all. This is not applicable | ||
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Sahand
United Kingdom114 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:08 pc_room_freak wrote: I'm a big fan of tastosis, but does anybody else find tasteless slightly inexperienced as a caster? I don't know about him being commentator in bw, but from the gsl's i noticed he's 1.) overly repetitive in diction- for example "he's so SOLID", "he's playing so GOOD", "it's going to be so COOL". I don't understand why he can't use... more descriptive words whenever he's trying to add something to the cast. Not only that, he just constantly overuses these words, making him sound like a broken record sometimes. It's weird since he seems quite articulate in casual settings. I feel the reason Tasteless uses such vague wording is to allow Artosis to follow-up with a broad spectrum of options to praise a player from what is going on in the game. Yeah he can get repetitive, but that's the way they cast (and it works well). 2.) cuts Artosis off too frequently, at the wrong times -only to add "he's so GOOD" Artosis is the commentator, let him get technical with his part, and cut him off when u have to (ie when something happens on the map). Tasteless is considered the commentator of the two. Artosis is considered the Analytical caster. If someone is happening within the game e.g. an engagement between two armies or some sort of good play then of course Tasteless would have to cut him off because he has to _COMMENTATE_ it. 3.) needs to be more PROFESSIONAL -I'm not even talking about the eating and drinking during matches. i don't think this "relaxed mindset" during casting is so detrimental to the event,,, but.. - Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright. Esports is still largely unaccepted in society, even in korea (i'm a korean, so i know). If you don't act to the bare minimum on one of esports premier events, how do you expect people to start taking this sport seriously? I'd seriously like to see you try and fill the dead air between games. Although I agree with you on some terms, I don't think him mentioning the word sex on an English based stream out of a Korean tournament is going to make ANY difference in the growth of E-Sports. I'm not trying to fan boy up and there is always room for improvement, but the points that you're making seem to be less of general improvements and more just stuff you would like to see. You've missed the basic elements in why they work well together. You generalized Artosis as just a commentator and took it into your own hands as what you would deem suitable to be said on air. I'm not saying you are -- but you come across as fairly ignorant and arrogant all at once. | ||
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