EPTIf someone is offended by the word "sex" they probably shouldn't be on the internet at all. Sex is everywhere. I watched the GSL where he used the word as well, he didn't even use it in a bad way in any shape or form.
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Xova
United States342 Posts
If someone is offended by the word "sex" they probably shouldn't be on the internet at all. Sex is everywhere. I watched the GSL where he used the word as well, he didn't even use it in a bad way in any shape or form. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:22 hmunkey wrote: Disagree with everything completely except maybe the sex thing. I can see GSL as being a family show, so talking about sex and using vulgarities is probably not the best idea. Also, while a stronger diction couldn't hurt, I don't really mind Tasteless being Tasteless -- that's what makes their casting duo so good. Ugh... I don't want to get into this sex thing, since that's been talked to death in the Casting Language Standards and similar threads but it just comes down to individual views of what's appropriate. I got a laugh out of that comment so I have no problem with it, there's plenty of content that could otherwise be objectionable that inherent to the game, filtering otherwise age appropriate content similar to that seems unnecessary to me. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:18 Chairman Ray wrote: Brand new casters usually go highly professional, technical terms, etc. I have 3 amazing examples that disagree with this. MrBitter, Sheth, and CatZ.... All 3 are high level zerg players, but they are also new to casting and do a very good job because they are students of the game. They understand it and when they speak it's clear that the words that come out of their mouth are based in sound reasoning and logic as it pertains to sc2. I think where Tasteless loses it for me is when he makes it seem like he's got no clue about the game. Example would be calling a fight for a P or T when the other person is CLEARLY going to win it. It happens way too much for someone who supposedly plays P at masters level. | ||
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Melange
United States39 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:13 wester25 wrote: btw if youre offended by the word sex..... you probably shouldnt be awake watching gsl at the time its on anyway. That's exactly the point. If we want e-sports to grow it needs to be accessible and appropriate for EVERYONE. Why exclude someone because they're too young to be comfortable without publicly talking about sex? They damn well might be old enough to enjoy Starcraft, and that's what matters. That being said, Tastosis is pretty awesome, and they're a great duo to watch/listen to games with, but I agree with the OP saying that Tasteless shouldn't be interrupting Artosis so much during pivotal points. When Artosis is trying to explain a technical aspect of the game, Tasteless should wait till he's done before butting in with a random comment. I understand that this is part of how they work, Tasteless with his energy/jokes and Artosis with his analytical commentary. Just because they've been doing this for years doesn't mean that there aren't things to improve upon. I'm sure people will like Tastosis just fine if Tasteless holds out a bit and lets Artosis finish before joining in. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
personally I thought he was better as a BW commentator for gom, but it has to do with him being the camera man and not being able to focus on the game enough | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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Melange
United States39 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:25 Xova wrote: Tasteless is by FAR one of the best and most experienced casters in the scene. Him and Artosis flow so well together it's unreal. If someone is offended by the word "sex" they probably shouldn't be on the internet at all. Sex is everywhere. I watched the GSL where he used the word as well, he didn't even use it in a bad way in any shape or form. Here we go again, why the exclusion? Do we want kids' moms to cut them off from anything SC2 related because a pair of casters talked about sex? Is this the kind of impression we want to be giving to the public? | ||
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emecee
United States222 Posts
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suspiciousbear
Canada112 Posts
I do agree with your point regarding the eloquence of his casting, however. He's shown himself to be extremely articulate and intelligent, yet sometimes he resorts to very simplistic descriptors of certain events in a cast. I do feel he'd add something to his casting if he were able to bring to bear a more diverse portion of his vocabulary when casting. However, do you know how damn hard it is to talk and think as fast as casters have to while following a game? It can be nearly impossible to completely articulate every thought you have because the games are so damn fast. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:28 starcraft911 wrote: I have 3 amazing examples that disagree with this. MrBitter, Sheth, and CatZ.... All 3 are high level zerg players, but they are also new to casting and do a very good job because they are students of the game. They understand it and when they speak it's clear that the words that come out of their mouth are based in sound reasoning and logic as it pertains to sc2. I think where Tasteless loses it for me is when he makes it seem like he's got no clue about the game. Example would be calling a fight for a P or T when the other person is CLEARLY going to win it. It happens way too much for someone who supposedly plays P at masters level. Eh, I haven't really noticed this more for Tasteless than for any other caster. I've noticed inControl and Gretorp mis-call/mis-favor a number of fights, I can remember Artosis, DJWheat and plenty of other casters doing it too. I think it's just something that happens from time to time because a player will suddenly fudge something or the other player will play the situation out perfectly, or it's simply just a mis-call. Tasteless has always seemed to know a fair bit about the game. | ||
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The.Imperator
138 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
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emecee
United States222 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:29 Melange wrote: That's exactly the point. If we want e-sports to grow it needs to be accessible and appropriate for EVERYONE. Why exclude someone because they're too young to be comfortable without publicly talking about sex? They damn well might be old enough to enjoy Starcraft, and that's what matters. That being said, Tastosis is pretty awesome, and they're a great duo to watch/listen to games with, but I agree with the OP saying that Tasteless shouldn't be interrupting Artosis so much during pivotal points. When Artosis is trying to explain a technical aspect of the game, Tasteless should wait till he's done before butting in with a random comment. I understand that this is part of how they work, Tasteless with his energy/jokes and Artosis with his analytical commentary. Just because they've been doing this for years doesn't mean that there aren't things to improve upon. I'm sure people will like Tastosis just fine if Tasteless holds out a bit and lets Artosis finish before joining in. what if theres a japanese person whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:30 Melange wrote: Here we go again, why the exclusion? Do we want kids' moms to cut them off from anything SC2 related because a pair of casters talked about sex? Is this the kind of impression we want to be giving to the public? See, this thing again. I feel the content presented during the cast is age appropriate to the content of the game. This argument is essentially like saying, "Why not make all those PG-13 movies PG by removing the sexual content so kids can watch it" regardless of whether the content would be age appropriate even with the adjustments. In the case of Starcraft 2, I don't think it's a worthwhile argument to use, the content is still going to be somewhat age restrictive and within that age expectation the word "sex" is pretty appropriate. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:34 emecee wrote: what if theres a japanese whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? Then don't watch. | ||
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Melange
United States39 Posts
On June 12 2011 15:34 emecee wrote: what if theres a japanese person whos offended by the use of the word "nuke"? what if theres someone whos offended by the word "snipe"? Nice use of Destiny's retorts against this. We aren't talking about Destiny, we're talking about Tasteless. Destiny doesn't give a fuck about what the public thinks of him OR of e-sports in general, he's just doing his thing and making a living off of it. Tasteless is completely different, he actually cares about spreading e-sports and expanding it as far as possible. These criticisms are meant to nitpick everything he does, they're meant to help him do what HE wants to do. That's why they're called "constructive". You can troll all you want, but I'm sure Tasteless wants to be able to globalize Starcraft as much as possible. | ||
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aFganFlyTrap
Australia212 Posts
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