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On July 13 2012 03:24 K_Dilkington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote:
While I'm all for constructive criticism I don't see where that's being brought up in this thread. You picked 3 things to complain about thatw were your own opinions and even false in terms of his experience. There's a reason tasteless stopped posting on TL. I assume he still browses but god I hope he avoids threads like these. Just keep going with that hive mind mentality you've got going, I'm sure that will work out well for you. There are several excellent posts in here pointing out flaws in his casting in a very constructive manner, only a fanboy would miss that fact. You need to have the ability so separate the person from his work, criticism isn't the same thing as hatred.
Indeed. This absolute fanboyism is ridiculous and obvious that people who are against this thread's sentiment in general aren't considering it from the criticisers point of view. I think it's great that casters are friends outside of their professional lives, obviously they create an amazing chemistry and just general comfort to be themselves and relax while doing their job. Problem I think is that Artosis when doing his job goes into job mode, while Tasteless just turns up and talks like he's at the pub with Dan aka Artosis my mate not Dan aka Artosis the professional.
Honestly, what does Tasteless contribute nowadays? "Errr err I remember that game .. errr ... oh forget it." Artosis then tries to rescue the situation by providing strategic analysis of the current game's situation. Tasteless comes back in with a cringe worthy joke. I don't expect him to know everything, just be a TotalBiscuit if you have to and commentate on what's happening, let Artosis be the intelligent analysts, but don't pander to the audience and patronise us with the stupid jokes and think everybody will continue to blindly love you.
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On July 13 2012 08:40 Jedclark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 05:48 PauseBreak wrote:
I'm going to have to agree to a point. Tasteless is becoming complacent.
He is top notch along with Artosis (the Casting Archon) there is no aruging that. I have watched a lot of other casters and I cannot say I like many. The C.A. is by far my favorite to listen to. I understand having fun while casting but Tasteless, of late, I feel has lost some of that professionalism he once had.
On a side note, people are demanding that 'Esports' be taken legitimately. And when you have professional casters talking like an adolescent referencing genitals and what have you, its not very couth. Artosis is very technically proficient in the Starcraft universe. And I'm positive Tasteless is as well, but he doesn't often demonstrate that certain aesthetic sense he once had.
I don't see hosts on the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc., talking like some of the people that are trying to make a living in this casting career. This hurts Esports, casters, and reputations of the games themselves. Telling the community to "grow up" and "if it offends you" is wholly the wrong answer. Both situations are alienating, especially when trying to pull an audience/sponsors that may be sitting on the fence.
If this is esports in the future, I don't want it. I like the way it is now, people just having fun commentating games - not being scared to make a joke in case it offends someone/*potential* sponsors.
Look up Jay Onrait and Dan O Toole for TSN broadcasters  Their best of vid is hilarious.
Not telling jokes isn't the future Sports "reporters/casters" on Canadian TV aren't worried about making jokes. It wont go away
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Don't understand the people who say that Tasteless should be shielded from constructive criticism. No one is perfect, everyone has room for improvement. You can't deny Tasteless' low game knowledge. You also can't deny that an increase in game knowledge will increase any SC2 caster's appeal. Therefore, even though I love Tastosis right now, I do think they could be even better if Tasteless knew his stuff.
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On July 13 2012 09:22 SpaceFighting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 08:49 Kamikiri wrote:
To be honest, Starcraft 2 in general has become boring for me to watch.
The only thing that keeps me watching Starcraft 2 is casts with Tasteless & Artosis. tbh this goes for me to, i dont watch any IPL or anything, i watch specific stuff based on commentators, like maybe a grand final or something with incontrol/tastosis/idra/a korean thats not fluent in english tries to cast. SC2 is not as good as bw as a spectator sport X_X
Yea I agree. SC2 is largely boring to watch unless u have AMAZING games(very fucking rare) or amazing casters. The only ones I watch are Artosis and Tasteless and Bitterdam. Also any homestory casting is also fucking awesome.
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On July 13 2012 05:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:54 yeint wrote:
This thread really didn't need necroing.
Tasteless will never read it, nor does he have to. He's wildly popular, and should just keep doing what he's doing.
It's perfectly fine that you don't prefer his style. But this is just mewling. Yup Tasteless is perfect and there's no room for constructive criticism. Popularity = perfection and there's no room for him to get even better.
Just because you label your criticism as "constructive" doesn't make it that.
I just have to cringe several times EVERY GAME when he says something that so fundamentally misses the mark.
Not constructive. The one example you gave is completely spurious.
And even if your criticism was actually "constructive", Tasteless will not read this thread. The vast majority of posts since your necro have been subjective nonsense.
Apart from completely unquantifiable things like "he's lost his passion" and "his game knowledge is poor", people are literally complaining that he fills dead air with jokes instead of "theorycrafting". This is subjective. This is your personal preference.
I've skimmed through the last pages and I don't see a single example brought up by anyone that would illustrate his supposedly glaring lack of knowledge.
On July 13 2012 05:48 PauseBreak wrote:
On a side note, people are demanding that 'Esports' be taken legitimately. And when you have professional casters talking like an adolescent referencing genitals and what have you, its not very couth.
Esports already is legitimate. There's nothing illegitimate about slightly off-color jokes. I suppose you think Louis CK's comedy is also aimed at adolescents (hint = it's not).
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On July 13 2012 09:41 Surrealistic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:24 K_Dilkington wrote:On July 13 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote:
While I'm all for constructive criticism I don't see where that's being brought up in this thread. You picked 3 things to complain about thatw were your own opinions and even false in terms of his experience. There's a reason tasteless stopped posting on TL. I assume he still browses but god I hope he avoids threads like these. Just keep going with that hive mind mentality you've got going, I'm sure that will work out well for you. There are several excellent posts in here pointing out flaws in his casting in a very constructive manner, only a fanboy would miss that fact. You need to have the ability so separate the person from his work, criticism isn't the same thing as hatred. Indeed. This absolute fanboyism is ridiculous and obvious that people who are against this thread's sentiment in general aren't considering it from the criticisers point of view. I think it's great that casters are friends outside of their professional lives, obviously they create an amazing chemistry and just general comfort to be themselves and relax while doing their job. Problem I think is that Artosis when doing his job goes into job mode, while Tasteless just turns up and talks like he's at the pub with Dan aka Artosis my mate not Dan aka Artosis the professional. Honestly, what does Tasteless contribute nowadays? "Errr err I remember that game .. errr ... oh forget it." Artosis then tries to rescue the situation by providing strategic analysis of the current game's situation. Tasteless comes back in with a cringe worthy joke. I don't expect him to know everything, just be a TotalBiscuit if you have to and commentate on what's happening, let Artosis be the intelligent analysts, but don't pander to the audience and patronise us with the stupid jokes and think everybody will continue to blindly love you.
I don't think Tasteless is the strongest SC2 caster around right now, but I definitely don't see what you're talking about...
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Why are you hating on the demi god I worship every tues/thurs? blood of my day9?
Ok all jokes aside, tasteless could be more detailed on the game at hand (like vague "this is really bad" scenarios), but I wouldn't trade it for all the funny jokes and commentaries he makes. I think most TL pple want more analytical casters b/c we all play sc2 a ton, but its extremely good to have a caster that can reach the casuals and help grow this game and esports.
Artosis feeds the super nerds and Tastless feeds the casuals. Casuals > super nerds.
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Hey Tasteless (if you ever read this)
Stop going so far off topic for so long. Its cool to sprinkle in jokes but you go on and on. Nobody wants that. Let me use an analogy. I love cake. One of my favorites is red velvet cake with icing on top. Now if I get a red velvet cake and there's no icing.. it's okay. But if someone gives me a plate of icing I'm going to tell them to take it away and bring me cake.
Your jokes that turn into long tangents are icing. Don't give us a plate of icing.
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On July 13 2012 18:56 Probe1 wrote:
Hey Tasteless (if you ever read this)
Stop going so far off topic for so long. Its cool to sprinkle in jokes but you go on and on. Nobody wants that. Let me use an analogy. I love cake. One of my favorites is red velvet cake with icing on top. Now if I get a red velvet cake and there's no icing.. it's okay. But if someone gives me a plate of icing I'm going to tell them to take it away and bring me cake.
Your jokes that turn into long tangents are icing. Don't give us a plate of icing.
interesting metaphor 
I kind of agree.
In a situation where absolutely nothing of interest is happening in the game AND neither tasteless nor artosis have anything to say about the gamers or their teams.... in this scenario I think it is actually not a bad idea to stretch out a story/joke.
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On June 12 2011 15:08 pc_room_freak wrote:
- Please don't mention "sex" on-air again, or at least not say the word so downright. Esports is still largely unaccepted in society, even in korea (i'm a korean, so i know). If you don't act to the bare minimum on one of esports premier events, how do you expect people to start taking this sport seriously?
Can someone fill on me in on exactly what he said?
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It's hard to fake passion for something inferior. I think Tasteless has done an excellent job.
User was warned for this post
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No one cares that you think SC2 sucks.
*more accurately, no one cares in the SC2 forum.
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I think tasteless tries to be funny and entertaining. He is a great caster because he explains things that are happening really well. He attempts to give us the why X player does something, which is great if you don't know what is happening. Even though everyone who watches sc 2 is a top 20 GM and knows everything and would do it better. I really don't have any complaints when it comes to him.
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On July 13 2012 09:41 Surrealistic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:24 K_Dilkington wrote:On July 13 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote:
While I'm all for constructive criticism I don't see where that's being brought up in this thread. You picked 3 things to complain about thatw were your own opinions and even false in terms of his experience. There's a reason tasteless stopped posting on TL. I assume he still browses but god I hope he avoids threads like these. Just keep going with that hive mind mentality you've got going, I'm sure that will work out well for you. There are several excellent posts in here pointing out flaws in his casting in a very constructive manner, only a fanboy would miss that fact. You need to have the ability so separate the person from his work, criticism isn't the same thing as hatred. Indeed. This absolute fanboyism is ridiculous and obvious that people who are against this thread's sentiment in general aren't considering it from the criticisers point of view. I think it's great that casters are friends outside of their professional lives, obviously they create an amazing chemistry and just general comfort to be themselves and relax while doing their job. Problem I think is that Artosis when doing his job goes into job mode, while Tasteless just turns up and talks like he's at the pub with Dan aka Artosis my mate not Dan aka Artosis the professional. Honestly, what does Tasteless contribute nowadays? "Errr err I remember that game .. errr ... oh forget it." Artosis then tries to rescue the situation by providing strategic analysis of the current game's situation. Tasteless comes back in with a cringe worthy joke. I don't expect him to know everything, just be a TotalBiscuit if you have to and commentate on what's happening, let Artosis be the intelligent analysts, but don't pander to the audience and patronise us with the stupid jokes and think everybody will continue to blindly love you.
I'm sorry but everything about this comment makes it fairly obvious that you either havent seen a single tasteless cast this GSL season or that you are only listening to the stuff you don't like and are actively blocking out all the other things because what you are describing is the absolute opposite of my experience. Sure Tasteless had a bit of a rough patch at the end of last season but ever since GSL 3 he has been in absolute top casting condition, and he's even upping his game on the analytic front. Right now i couldn't be happier with his casting and i hope he keeps up this form for a long time.
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My only wish is for tasteless to stop smoking.
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Fortunately, I still really like watching SC2, and what we want as spectators isn't really unreasonable, which is that casters improve along with the rest of the show. It feels that Artosis constantly evolves, because he continually demonstrates high game understanding + that Artosis charm. All casters should strive to improve, but it's easy to get into a comfortable place that feels "good enough." Complacency catches up with you sooner or later, and that comfy spot becomes a rut.
Specifically on Tasteless, I actually enjoy his casting more when he's at MLG or other foreign events. I think it brings out a more professional side, while the GOM stuido is more casual for him. He tends to be really good during GSL finals for similar reasons.
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The only thing that bothers me in regards to Tasteless is that he stutters a lot, like he's trying to say 10 words at the same time.. Other than that I really enjoy his and Artosis casting (although Artosis has some verbal stuff that annoys me, like repeating "OH SO quickly" 10 times per cast). Basically, they're my favorite casting duo
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What the fuck is the point of this thread?
If he didn't ask for constructive criticism then what makes you think he even reads it... or gives a shit what kind of criticism he's getting?
He's a pro caster, either he knows about all of his flaws more acutely than we do, or he just doesn't give a shit. Believing that giving him tips on a TL thread will actually help him is ridiculous...
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"constructive critiscism for tasteless?" Stop drinking.
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I actually think the other way around. Artosis is the worst of the two for me. He is supposed to play the technical role but lately he is quite often just unaware or flat out wrong regarding new strats. Especially that he didn't know the stuff Naniwa did vs DRG already was just odd as those builds have been around for some time.
Sure tasteless repeats himself a bit too much sometimes but I don't mind it too much. Sure he could improve in some aspects but the perfect commentator doesn't exist anyways. I can't name a commentator in sports that is truly awesome anyway.
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