On July 12 2012 22:52 Pandemona wrote: So do you want two casters discussing high end level mechanics that only GMs would understand? Or would you like one guy (Artosis) doing this and the other (Tasteless) being more noob friendly for those in Masters league and below to help make them follow in the loop? I'd much prefer the second. The best casters/commentators are the one who knows the most and the other who brings a different aspect, it doesn't have to be a funny aspect it could be just the knowledge of being there and have done it, for example football commentators are always in pairs, you have the guy with all the stats and the good voice who does the majority of talking about the live action with added stats to throw in to keep viewers interested if the game is boring, and you have the seasoned professional at his side, giving his view and opinion on the game or even tactics (like Gary Neville did and Andy Grey) im sure this is the same in other sports in America too. The list is endless for commentator duo's like the footballing ones throughout sports Boxing/Snooker/Cricket/Tennis it's all based around the same sort of style Tastosis are bringing to the GSL every day and there other adventures. One tells you everything that is going on to the upmost indepth knowledge whilst the other is dumbing things down for the lower ended viewers and also throwing in funnies whilst the play is not all that entertaining (take the first 5-6minutes of a quick expo game)
just a quick question; Is Artosis really that high level? I honestly dont see it, I know im in no way a GM or even master, but most of the times I dont understand what's so indepth of what artosis is saying, he's pointing out some obvious things and other times he's just wrong.
I've never said anything because I feel like the faultry is on my part and not on his, but I wish he'd take time to dumb down why some things are so great because most of the times I see the difference in the play that he points out but I dont understand what's so insanely great about it.
He obviously has a huge background in BW, played SC2 from the start, is a masters player (i believe) and well woven in in the korean scene. In my opinion his excellence is in player and build knowledge, he often says *yeah i have seen xxx use this build before and yyy also plays it from time to time but this here is a new variation*...
On July 12 2012 22:52 Pandemona wrote: So do you want two casters discussing high end level mechanics that only GMs would understand? Or would you like one guy (Artosis) doing this and the other (Tasteless) being more noob friendly for those in Masters league and below to help make them follow in the loop? I'd much prefer the second. The best casters/commentators are the one who knows the most and the other who brings a different aspect, it doesn't have to be a funny aspect it could be just the knowledge of being there and have done it, for example football commentators are always in pairs, you have the guy with all the stats and the good voice who does the majority of talking about the live action with added stats to throw in to keep viewers interested if the game is boring, and you have the seasoned professional at his side, giving his view and opinion on the game or even tactics (like Gary Neville did and Andy Grey) im sure this is the same in other sports in America too. The list is endless for commentator duo's like the footballing ones throughout sports Boxing/Snooker/Cricket/Tennis it's all based around the same sort of style Tastosis are bringing to the GSL every day and there other adventures. One tells you everything that is going on to the upmost indepth knowledge whilst the other is dumbing things down for the lower ended viewers and also throwing in funnies whilst the play is not all that entertaining (take the first 5-6minutes of a quick expo game)
just a quick question; Is Artosis really that high level? I honestly dont see it, I know im in no way a GM or even master, but most of the times I dont understand what's so indepth of what artosis is saying, he's pointing out some obvious things and other times he's just wrong.
I've never said anything because I feel like the faultry is on my part and not on his, but I wish he'd take time to dumb down why some things are so great because most of the times I see the difference in the play that he points out but I dont understand what's so insanely great about it.
He obviously has a huge background in BW, played SC2 from the start, is a masters player (i believe) and well woven in in the korean scene. In my opinion his excellence is in player and build knowledge, he often says *yeah i have seen xxx use this build before and yyy also plays it from time to time but this here is a new variation*...
all your statements are true but doesnt really answer my question, thank you for trying though.
ps the dots at the end really makes u come of a lot more arrogant than what I'd assume is your intention.
On July 12 2012 22:52 Pandemona wrote: So do you want two casters discussing high end level mechanics that only GMs would understand? Or would you like one guy (Artosis) doing this and the other (Tasteless) being more noob friendly for those in Masters league and below to help make them follow in the loop? I'd much prefer the second. The best casters/commentators are the one who knows the most and the other who brings a different aspect, it doesn't have to be a funny aspect it could be just the knowledge of being there and have done it, for example football commentators are always in pairs, you have the guy with all the stats and the good voice who does the majority of talking about the live action with added stats to throw in to keep viewers interested if the game is boring, and you have the seasoned professional at his side, giving his view and opinion on the game or even tactics (like Gary Neville did and Andy Grey) im sure this is the same in other sports in America too. The list is endless for commentator duo's like the footballing ones throughout sports Boxing/Snooker/Cricket/Tennis it's all based around the same sort of style Tastosis are bringing to the GSL every day and there other adventures. One tells you everything that is going on to the upmost indepth knowledge whilst the other is dumbing things down for the lower ended viewers and also throwing in funnies whilst the play is not all that entertaining (take the first 5-6minutes of a quick expo game)
just a quick question; Is Artosis really that high level? I honestly dont see it, I know im in no way a GM or even master, but most of the times I dont understand what's so indepth of what artosis is saying, he's pointing out some obvious things and other times he's just wrong.
I've never said anything because I feel like the faultry is on my part and not on his, but I wish he'd take time to dumb down why some things are so great because most of the times I see the difference in the play that he points out but I dont understand what's so insanely great about it.
He obviously has a huge background in BW, played SC2 from the start, is a masters player (i believe) and well woven in in the korean scene. In my opinion his excellence is in player and build knowledge, he often says *yeah i have seen xxx use this build before and yyy also plays it from time to time but this here is a new variation*...
I don't know what his level of play is, but his understanding of the game is at a top tier level. As a caster, there is no physical possible way to maintain tip-top gaming shape while fulfilling your work obligations while learning about everything about everyone's strategy, play style, etc. There's also no way to be always correct about what's going to happen.... you can predict a player's choice given the hints but you can't prophesize it. Besides, it takes an immense amount of knowledge to even make an educated guess about what a player plans to do by looking at his game choices.
He played in the GSL in the beta i do believe, or early seasons anyways, he was huge in BW, but i think what your forgetting is that not everyone else is a top masters or gm player, so he is stating things in lamens terms, so that the average viewer can understand the mindset of the player and because they gain this knowledge they get a better understanding of what is happening and then it becomes more interesting as a viewer.
It would be like somebody who has never watched football before, never been told about it, and started watching their first game, they wouldnt understand any of the mechanics, which makes the game so enthralling.
Possibly a slightly exaggerated example but i think you get my point.
On July 12 2012 22:52 Pandemona wrote: So do you want two casters discussing high end level mechanics that only GMs would understand? Or would you like one guy (Artosis) doing this and the other (Tasteless) being more noob friendly for those in Masters league and below to help make them follow in the loop? I'd much prefer the second. The best casters/commentators are the one who knows the most and the other who brings a different aspect, it doesn't have to be a funny aspect it could be just the knowledge of being there and have done it, for example football commentators are always in pairs, you have the guy with all the stats and the good voice who does the majority of talking about the live action with added stats to throw in to keep viewers interested if the game is boring, and you have the seasoned professional at his side, giving his view and opinion on the game or even tactics (like Gary Neville did and Andy Grey) im sure this is the same in other sports in America too. The list is endless for commentator duo's like the footballing ones throughout sports Boxing/Snooker/Cricket/Tennis it's all based around the same sort of style Tastosis are bringing to the GSL every day and there other adventures. One tells you everything that is going on to the upmost indepth knowledge whilst the other is dumbing things down for the lower ended viewers and also throwing in funnies whilst the play is not all that entertaining (take the first 5-6minutes of a quick expo game)
just a quick question; Is Artosis really that high level? I honestly dont see it, I know im in no way a GM or even master, but most of the times I dont understand what's so indepth of what artosis is saying, he's pointing out some obvious things and other times he's just wrong.
I've never said anything because I feel like the faultry is on my part and not on his, but I wish he'd take time to dumb down why some things are so great because most of the times I see the difference in the play that he points out but I dont understand what's so insanely great about it.
Artosis has a very solid understanding of high level SC2 and the current metagame and he articulates it well. As one small example out of hundreds, do you understand why both Genius and Naniwa were avoiding stalkers in their game 3 on Ohana, and why that meant that archons would be a good choice as they rounded out their compositions? Artosis did and explained it well.
I thing he does his job of being fucking awesome very well, can't really find any major criticism for Arotsis or Tasteless... not that there wouldn't be but how good they are compared to all other casters/duos... makes it fucking hard to spot the "mistakes".
While I'm all for constructive criticism I don't see where that's being brought up in this thread. You picked 3 things to complain about thatw were your own opinions and even false in terms of his experience. There's a reason tasteless stopped posting on TL. I assume he still browses but god I hope he avoids threads like these.
The only thing that has really bothered me about Tastosis and their casting is the lack of knowledge about the match histories of the players. I know it is impossible to recall every game a player has ever played, but whenever a big match is happening, I would hope they could recall some of major games of their careers, previous matchups between the current competitors. What I find is that sometimes they will refer to player through the same game or small set of games for months, even after they have evolved past that point. I know that Artosis has said he doesn't watch every game and can't watch ever game, and I completely understand, so this is not a major criticism.
I don't know what you guys mean, I watched a BW cast with Tasteless and he is exactly the same as he is today. If he has lost his passion he is hiding it very well (for me at least). I sincerely hope you havent lost your passion Tasteless!
Nick Plott ftw, really good caster! Keep on keeping on!
On July 13 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote: While I'm all for constructive criticism I don't see where that's being brought up in this thread. You picked 3 things to complain about thatw were your own opinions and even false in terms of his experience. There's a reason tasteless stopped posting on TL. I assume he still browses but god I hope he avoids threads like these.
Maybe try reading? The OP is over a year old, now the criticism concerns his game knowledge.
On July 13 2012 01:52 Kazeyonoma wrote: While I'm all for constructive criticism I don't see where that's being brought up in this thread. You picked 3 things to complain about thatw were your own opinions and even false in terms of his experience. There's a reason tasteless stopped posting on TL. I assume he still browses but god I hope he avoids threads like these.
Just keep going with that hive mind mentality you've got going, I'm sure that will work out well for you. There are several excellent posts in here pointing out flaws in his casting in a very constructive manner, only a fanboy would miss that fact. You need to have the ability so separate the person from his work, criticism isn't the same thing as hatred.
EPT
don't you dare say bad things about him
