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On July 11 2012 04:28 SuperPro wrote:
Why do people think tastless and artosis are such a great duo?
Bitterdam is just as funny as tastosis AND they both play the game at a masters level. Instead of one analytic caster there are two.
Also, day9 brings both humor and analysis to his casting. He is FAR better than either Artosis, or Tastless.
I bring these three people up to demonstrate that in every way these guys are better, yet people still like tastosis? Don't get it....
Agree that Bitterdam is a better combination than Tastosis (although I love them both) but there is no way that Day[9] provides better analysis than Artosis. He's entertaining in his own right, but I can't count on him to drop knowledge bombs like Artosis can. I also think that Tastosis is a more entertaining duo than Day[9] paired with pretty much anybody.
That said, I agree that Tasteless' casting has seemed to become stagnant and that the show would improve if he upped his game knowledge and contributed more than just hilarious stories. I still enjoy their casts, but Wolf/Khaldor are almost as good now and there is always room for improvement.
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The day tasteless quits I will probably stop watching Starcraft. If you know anything about the game you will notice all casters are clueless sometimes and for me its just a matter of who can be the most entertaining and talk properly without any annoying accents.
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On July 11 2012 04:28 SuperPro wrote:
Why do people think tastless and artosis are such a great duo?
Bitterdam is just as funny as tastosis AND they both play the game at a masters level. Instead of one analytic caster there are two.
Also, day9 brings both humor and analysis to his casting. He is FAR better than either Artosis, or Tastless.
I bring these three people up to demonstrate that in every way these guys are better, yet people still like tastosis? Don't get it....
Thats your opinion, some might disagree, hope you are ok with that. 
I like Tastosis alot, they are the ones got me hooked on this awesome game. IMO they fullfill eachother very well and I do tend to like their humor alot ^^
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please stop repeating what artosis says, 90% word-for-word, 2 seconds after he just says it :<
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On July 11 2012 04:34 Dzerzhinsky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 04:26 meridian2012 wrote:
I completely disagree. Artosis is knowledgable and Tasteless helps the commentary flow. Could you imagine 2 Artosis', that wouldn't work. Two tastless' also wouldn't work. One of each, Perfect. I actually really like Artosis and Wolf when they cast together, because they keep the flow going with their excitement about the match-up, the metagame, the players, and the strategies in play or that have the potential to come into play. At no point do they feel the need to say "we're going to have some downtime here guys" or "there's not really much going on at the moment", because there's so much Starcraft for them to gush over in between the big battles. To me that keeps the flow going in a much more interesting way.
Exactly that. Hearing stuff about the players or the game (not meaning the current match that's playing) when little is going on is great. That's what I want to see after all. And put jokes in there, make me laugh. I think Khaldor, Wolf and Artosis do a great job at that.
But "Well what can I see, nothing going on yet in the early game... ... so, Artosis [insert off topic talk or bad joke]."
And seriously, I bet it's forbidden for the Korean casters to mention their Twitter Tag every damn day. Thanks to Tasteless that stuff spread so far it seems like way too many casters are plugging their Twitter accounts way too often.
I don't want to be specific however, because in my point of view Tasteless' problem isn't that he's doing one specific thing every now and then, it's that he has pretty obviously huge troubles bridging time gaps. He just doesn't know what to say - that's it really.
And you know what, to me that's kinda unacceptable for a top tier caster that is payed for doing his job. It's not like there's nothing he could do about that, he could do more research about players or the game (or play it to just get a better game sense). He could do that, Wolf, Khaldor and other guys do just that.
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On July 11 2012 04:44 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 04:34 Dzerzhinsky wrote:On July 11 2012 04:26 meridian2012 wrote:
I completely disagree. Artosis is knowledgable and Tasteless helps the commentary flow. Could you imagine 2 Artosis', that wouldn't work. Two tastless' also wouldn't work. One of each, Perfect. I actually really like Artosis and Wolf when they cast together, because they keep the flow going with their excitement about the match-up, the metagame, the players, and the strategies in play or that have the potential to come into play. At no point do they feel the need to say "we're going to have some downtime here guys" or "there's not really much going on at the moment", because there's so much Starcraft for them to gush over in between the big battles. To me that keeps the flow going in a much more interesting way. Exactly that. Hearing stuff about the players or the game (not meaning the current match that's playing) when little is going on is great. That's what I want to see after all. And put jokes in there, make me laugh. I think Khaldor, Wolf and Artosis do a great job at that. But "Well what can I see, nothing going on yet in the early game... ... so, Artosis [insert off topic talk or bad joke]." And seriously, I bet it's forbidden for the Korean casters to mention their Twitter Tag every damn day. Thanks to Tasteless that stuff spread so far it seems like way too many casters are plugging their Twitter accounts way too often. I don't want to be specific however, because in my point of view Tasteless' problem isn't that he's doing one specific thing every now and then, it's that he has pretty obviously huge troubles bridging time gaps. He just doesn't know what to say - that's it really. And you know what, to me that's kinda unacceptable for a top tier caster that is payed for doing his job. It's not like there's nothing he could do about that, he could do more research about players or the game (or play it to just get a better game sense). He could do that, Wolf, Khaldor and other guys do just that.
It seems to me you are just a hater-nerd who just doesn't like the style of tasteless...which is fine. I'm going to go on a limb and say if you do not like it, do not listen to him. I know its hard not to complain about something easily avoidable, but I think most people here who does not "like" tasteless are just finding things to complain about. Tastosis found a style which works for them and appeals to the vast majority of the audience (**hint hint* your the minority). So i HIGHLY doubt they will change their formula because a few people want to here "deep seated knowledge bombs".
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From what I can tell Tasteless lost his passion for casting and e-sports in general a long time ago (probably before SC2 even) and now he just sort of goes through the motions because, well, what else is he gonna do?
He's definitely not the tasteless of yesteryear.
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So people are allowed to have a different opinion but you tag me as a "hater-nerd" (cute btw.).
Of course they're not going to change something around the "Casting Archon". I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.
But that is a pity for me as I love Artosis' casting and seeing him paired with someone like Wolf is fantastic.
On top of that Artosis and Tasteless are casting most of Code S, which I'd prefer seeing.
So yeh feels bad knowing that it'll be this way. 
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On July 11 2012 04:41 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 04:28 SuperPro wrote:
Why do people think tastless and artosis are such a great duo?
Bitterdam is just as funny as tastosis AND they both play the game at a masters level. Instead of one analytic caster there are two.
Also, day9 brings both humor and analysis to his casting. He is FAR better than either Artosis, or Tastless.
I bring these three people up to demonstrate that in every way these guys are better, yet people still like tastosis? Don't get it.... Agree that Bitterdam is a better combination than Tastosis (although I love them both) but there is no way that Day[9] provides better analysis than Artosis. He's entertaining in his own right, but I can't count on him to drop knowledge bombs like Artosis can. I also think that Tastosis is a more entertaining duo than Day[9] paired with pretty much anybody. That said, I agree that Tasteless' casting has seemed to become stagnant and that the show would improve if he upped his game knowledge and contributed more than just hilarious stories. I still enjoy their casts, but Wolf/Khaldor are almost as good now and there is always room for improvement.
Tasteless was great as the play-by-play guy at the begining of the GSL coming up with great jokes in each cast ( the season in which he came up with the "ladder point stealing nerd" joke and how he stole ladder points). Over the years tho he quit making new jokes and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said he hasen't played a agame of Starcraft 2 in about a year. His play-by-play is still good but Artosis is the one that keeps the casting at a top level with his awesome analysis and the way he spins stories from the games he casts. I guess when you win boat loads of money you stop caring about the quality when the fans are okay with the bare minimum. Its also probably why he "hired" that management group to represent him to get more gigs outside e-sports. I really like him(and artosis) and his casting but I'm just a bit sad that he seems like he dosen't play sc2 anymore and dosen't really care about it anymore.
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In my opinion bitterdam are mediocre casters. Day9 dosen't provide better analysis than Artosis and the way artosis delivers his analysis is so much better than day9. Day9 is good for noobs or new viewers but his live casting skills are terrible when it comes to commentating games(he is good at hyping crowds tho).
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btw, try to pay attention to the questions Tasteless asks, he ALWAYS asks what something means and if it points towards a certain direction when Artosis forgets to mention it.
Tasteless has about the same knowledge as Artosis, they just decided Tasteless was better at the play-by-play stuff and story telling etc, that is why Artosis is the analyst.
But as always this post will be ignored and some random kid will say how Orb has way more knowledge of the game etc etc.
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You really all believe Tasteless is some Bronce newb that has no idea what he's talking about?
Wow, good thing you judge others...
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Maybe the Kespa pros will reignite his passion but I still like him anyways
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Until you've heard CatsPajamas and Doa say "No kidding!" fifteen times during one game, you don't know what the terms "repetitive" and "broken record" really mean.
I liked Tasteless very much in Broodwar days, now not so much, but I don't know whether he has changed or I have. I'm tired of him explaining that with plus one, zealots kill zerglings in two hits instead of three. In Tastosis, I think Artosis' analysis is way better (and definitely top three overall as far as foreigners go), and also he is way funnier. Somehow I find Tasteless try-hard nowadays.
MrBitter is very good and has earned a medal for his 12 weeks with the pros alone. Bitterdam tend to giggle too much about random non sc related stuff for my taste.
A lot can be said about Day9, but it's hard to deny that he's a highly competent, professional and entertaining caster.
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On July 11 2012 04:29 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 04:26 meridian2012 wrote:
I completely disagree. Artosis is knowledgable and Tasteless helps the commentary flow. Could you imagine 2 Artosis', that wouldn't work. Two tastless' also wouldn't work. One of each, Perfect. Artosis and Wolf/Khaldor were, in my opinion, better than Tastosis. More focus on the game, current trends, and playstyles.
Artosis with Wolf/Khaldor was excellent indeed, there was actual discussion where both casters contributed with in-depth information. With Tastosis its just going through the motions, its gotten boring.
Apollo is the best caster right now though. EZ.
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Tasteless constantly sounds like he doesn't play the game or have interest in it. I can't see him improving until he addresses that in some form or fashion. His jokes and constant off topic banter would be less distracting if he could contribute to Artosis' various metagame conversations. And whenever Tasteless casts with someone else, he flounders because he just doesn't seem to have the same interest in the game.
Hearing Artosis and Wolf cast was glorious. You could tell Artosis was excited to be able to theorycraft and even debate a co-caster; they were truly like two peas in a pod. Likewise, Bitter and Rotterdam constantly get into thoughtful debates/discussions and theorycrafting. Whereas Tasteless constantly seems out of touch.
Khaldor has improved signifigantly btw. Before he was mainly a stat hound, and while he still focuses on them he also does his homework, remembers past games, prods the great brain of Wolf, etc.
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I hate it when you steal my ladder points =/
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On July 11 2012 05:01 rEalGuapo wrote:
btw, try to pay attention to the questions Tasteless asks, he ALWAYS asks what something means and if it points towards a certain direction when Artosis forgets to mention it.
Tasteless has about the same knowledge as Artosis, they just decided Tasteless was better at the play-by-play stuff and story telling etc, that is why Artosis is the analyst.
But as always this post will be ignored and some random kid will say how Orb has way more knowledge of the game etc etc.
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You really all believe Tasteless is some Bronce newb that has no idea what he's talking about?
Wow, good thing you judge others...
I'm sorry but Tasteless does not have the same SC2 knowledge as Artosis. Tasteless asks those questions because it's better than doing what some other casters have done, make false predictions on where the game is going.
Why are all the people defending Tasteless so keen on dismissing the ones with citicism? Either it's that we should get a hobby or that we're kids. It's not like there's Tasteless hate in this thread, it's just people critiquing what they consider to be the weakest part of GSL casting atm.
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I do enjoy Tastosis casts, but they still have a lot of untapped potential due to Tasteless' lack of knowledge and apparent interest. It's literally 3 or 4 times per game that Tasteless says something that just makes you think "What? Are you in gold league?"
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It's funny that every point that you make is what make Tasteless, and even more Tastosis, who they are, it's why they're so successful. One of their great hallmarks is saying shit that is totally out of line, and people loving it, it's why they don't get fired for such things.
So, with all due respect, go back to Korea if you don't like how the American casters are doing their job great.
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On July 11 2012 05:19 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 05:01 rEalGuapo wrote:
btw, try to pay attention to the questions Tasteless asks, he ALWAYS asks what something means and if it points towards a certain direction when Artosis forgets to mention it.
Tasteless has about the same knowledge as Artosis, they just decided Tasteless was better at the play-by-play stuff and story telling etc, that is why Artosis is the analyst.
But as always this post will be ignored and some random kid will say how Orb has way more knowledge of the game etc etc.
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You really all believe Tasteless is some Bronce newb that has no idea what he's talking about?
Wow, good thing you judge others... I'm sorry but Tasteless does not have the same SC2 knowledge as Artosis. Tasteless asks those questions because it's better than doing what some other casters have done, make false predictions on where the game is going. Why are all the people defending Tasteless so keen on dismissing the ones with citicism? Either it's that we should get a hobby or that we're kids. It's not like there's Tasteless hate in this thread, it's just people critiquing what they consider to be the weakest part of GSL casting atm.
and at the same time alot of the 'critisism'is that tasteless should be more 'professional' and anylitical,let me ask this,why must he be that?i like their casting duo and as stated alot of other people do to,its like khaldor for example has said to quote 'when are people gonna realise that casters aren't supposed to fulfill every viewer's state out there?'their job is to attract the main audience which tastosis do not saying he can improve but stating that he should get higher game'knowledge'is not true as if u listen u can actually hear how he direct and ask things are made in a good way unlike some other casters i have heard.why do u think people like husky for example?i listened to one of his cast on youtube and every1 was commenting on how good he was both analytical and exciting while me who could tell easily that 70% of what he said was wrong.that is a different story though but still people like his casting even though he isn't very 'analytical' or says the correct things when he is trying to be that.its his atmosphere and passion etc and when it comes to tastosis i get a really nice smile on my face when i see those two cast because artosis says everything about strategy etc while tasteless brings the atmosphere and a great synergy with artosis though i will gladly admit that he has those weird moments where the stuff he says makes no sense but that happens to all of us
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There probably exist an infinite amount of opinions regarding casters as a simple result of human preference (ie when presented with two objects of similar function [in our case casters], it is your natural tendency to draw comparative conclusions).
However, I think that far too often people vocalize their concerns, especially when they don't have the credentials to pass judgement (let alone the mechanics to properly articulate a viewpoint which in this case seems to be "Tasteless is not as good of caster as he was before") on an individual who is literally IN Korea, earning money as a result of his casting. The very nature of his job makes scrutinizing very easy but dissenters often forget that he is HUMAN. His past has granted him at the very least the benefit of the doubt in his supposed spree of sub-optimal casts. The internet makes expressing an opinion ridiculously easy, but that also allows half-thoughts and crass opinions percolate through the eSports spectator consciousness which are either too pedantic or just arguing a non-issue. All of this makes the volume of personal insults in a very clearly titled constructive criticisms thread too much to bear.
But the bottom line seems to be this: these threads are made with the intention of (ideally speaking) aiding the individuals driving esports. But from a wholly utilitarian standpoint, there are much more productive ways to contribute (go liquidpedia!) without rehashing worthless opinions. I mean do people actually think that Tasteless cares about what uninformed SPECTATORS think about his casting? I am absolutely sure he knows what he needs to do, but the question to anyone posting comments falsely disguised as constructive criticism: do you?
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