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On May 26 2011 15:55 Xacalite wrote:
Oh man, I dont get how so many people in this thread already (after 1 year of Starcraft) can have the audacity to demand anything form any caster. Censoring what they are alowed to say is even more outrageous. Well I guess thats what a Husky or TotalBiscuit brings to this community...
I like being blamed for something for no apparent reason at all, it's pretty awesome.
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On May 27 2011 06:48 R1CH wrote:
I added an option on the TL stream control panel to mark the language level. This is purely voluntary and is the responsibility of the streamer to set correctly, but hopefully this should help you find streams which don't have any bad language if that's what you want.
Good idea R1CH.
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Like anything looking to break through to be considered mainstream entertainment problems like this are going to arise. It is inevitable. Instead of the people looking for their current for of entertainment to not change you either have to accomplish two things. One is to in same way slow down the growth of E-sports so that everything gets to stay the same. The other alternative would be to do your part in changing what society views as acceptable to view/enjoy as entertainment. Good luck in whichever part you decide to participate in.
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There's a few separate discussions here....
I have a child, (2yrs) and she doesn't watch Starcraft with me but picked up enough to confuse DJwheat with Day9. However she mimics what I say and what she hears especially when said with enough emotion and she's not at that stage where I can just tell her not to use the word. I often have Starcraft(or other gaming podcasts) casts on in the background not being watched but listened while doing other things. During this time I definitely want stuff on the cleaner language side.
I watch GSL, NASL, IPL, EGMC, other major tournaments or league. For my own enjoyment, I want these to be fairly clean, regardless of if I had a kid or not. I do not myself appreciate a tirade like 'OMG, That was fucking awesome! Did you see that fucking mothership!" style. You can be excited without the foul language. The occasional word dropped is fine, the string bugs me. NASL is by far the worst offender but not bad enough to make me walk away, yet. But it is definitely becoming grating, and because they can occupy that 5pm-9pm timeslot of background noise I'm more sensitive to it.
I will also turn casts(gaming,starcraft,etcetera) on at work for background noise. Obviously, I'm going to be pretty careful about them so not to offend anyone else.
It would suck if State of the Game decided it needed to be a clean show, I like to relax and have a beer and listen to them. It kind of sucks (for me) that Inside the Game language is borderline as it's on at 4pm, I'd like to listen to it live. But I have a sponge running around repeating words. I used to be able to listen to/watch Day9 while putting her to sleep but he just started swearing too much. Or she started repeating too much and then I noticed the swearing so that had to stop. =)
It all comes down to, I just want a way to easily be able to tell if the content I'm about to listen to is appropriate for my current circumstances.
On May 27 2011 06:48 R1CH wrote:
I added an option on the TL stream control panel to mark the language level. This is purely voluntary and is the responsibility of the streamer to set correctly, but hopefully this should help you find streams which don't have any bad language if that's what you want.
That's very cool, and I hope casters take advantage of it. Thanks!
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Ok you didn't like my Hangover example. Then please explain the extreme popularity of ROOTDestiny aka Steven Bonnell III stream?
It is quite clear that he is not the best Zerg player, but his popularity started in Beta BECAUSE he was profane, used off-color humor, and has a good BM style. This is the culture we are in. He makes so much money of SC2 casting now because he is like this. If in Beta he thought "gee, little kids and uptight parents might not like my stream" he'd be nowhere.
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I propose we advance this thread to a more literal place
Does it bother anybody else that khaldor casts in german? Or totalbiscuit? I think in order for sc2 and ESPORTS to thrive we must only speak english.
Thoughts?
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On May 27 2011 07:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 15:55 Xacalite wrote:
Oh man, I dont get how so many people in this thread already (after 1 year of Starcraft) can have the audacity to demand anything form any caster. Censoring what they are alowed to say is even more outrageous. Well I guess thats what a Husky or TotalBiscuit brings to this community...
I like being blamed for something for no apparent reason at all, it's pretty awesome.
I think he means you keep it pretty PG TB, along with Husky of course.
On that note, maybe that's part of the reason why you and Husky are so popular. Great casts and normally pretty PG.
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On May 25 2011 01:14 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 01:09 Chill wrote:
I agree with this and I think it's something all casters should take into account when commentating. More and more these days parents are getting their children involved in watching Starcraft. I think any major broadcast should keep things more or less PG. I still feel like user livestreams and streamed shows should be expected to have mature content. Pretty much agree with this. The big tournaments(GSL, NASL, IPL, TSL) should try and keep it PG. It's a good thing that parents are starting to watch with their kids, getting a whole new generation into e-sports is always good and casters should accommodate as best as they can.
”StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty” has a 16 year age limit. It contains an abundance of violence and bad language, and should not be played by anyone younger than 16. In the multiplayer mode you will, as in other online games, meet some challenges in relation to certain players who may act in an unsuitable fashion, and we advise you, therefore, not to reveal any personal information.
I'm sorry but I'm having a rough time taking the thread creator seriously. If you are worried about your two kids, that are both UNDER AGED for viewing and playing the game, maybe you shouldn't watch streamed content with your kids. It sounds so hypocritical when you say you want to protect your children from bad language but you still watch a game where the main goal is to slaughter your opponent. I don't have a solution for your problem and I hope casters and organisations don't waste time on censoring their casts etc for a age group that aren't even suppose to be involved with the game.
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So, there's Howard Stern and Jerry Springer... Nobody is asking Steven Bennell III to change, and I think he already had in his description of the channel what kind of language you will get if you listen to it. I appreciate it, that's why I've never tuned in.
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On May 27 2011 07:48 VillageBC wrote:The occasional word dropped is fine, the string bugs me.
I'd be interested to hear more parents' thoughts on this.
Personally, I don't mind swearing as long as it's occasional. Not because I get offended but because a lot of swearing usually means lack of other content and, also, that the actual swear words mean less. I want saying "Fuck!" to really mean something.
But I am not a parent and I won't be a parent anytime soon. Are you guys okay with the occasional swearing or would you prefer completely clean casts?
Also, please note that this is not a question whether it is good for children to be protected or whether it would actually protect them from anything anyway.
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On May 27 2011 08:06 iNcontroL wrote:
I propose we advance this thread to a more literal place
Does it bother anybody else that khaldor casts in german? Or totalbiscuit? I think in order for sc2 and ESPORTS to thrive we must only speak english.
Thoughts?
But TB speaks English, Americans don't 
As for OP, there are some things that children should be protected from, but few swearwords especially like "fuck" are not one of them.
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I propose we advance this thread to a more literal place
Does it bother anybody else that khaldor casts in german? Or totalbiscuit? I think in order for sc2 and ESPORTS to thrive we must only speak english.
Thoughts?
Please InControl be serious. I've never seen a Baseball game broadcast in German. How could that help E-sports?
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On May 27 2011 08:11 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 01:14 Kiyo. wrote:On May 25 2011 01:09 Chill wrote:
I agree with this and I think it's something all casters should take into account when commentating. More and more these days parents are getting their children involved in watching Starcraft. I think any major broadcast should keep things more or less PG. I still feel like user livestreams and streamed shows should be expected to have mature content. Pretty much agree with this. The big tournaments(GSL, NASL, IPL, TSL) should try and keep it PG. It's a good thing that parents are starting to watch with their kids, getting a whole new generation into e-sports is always good and casters should accommodate as best as they can. ”StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty” has a 16 year age limit. It contains an abundance of violence and bad language, and should not be played by anyone younger than 16. In the multiplayer mode you will, as in other online games, meet some challenges in relation to certain players who may act in an unsuitable fashion, and we advise you, therefore, not to reveal any personal information. I'm sorry but I'm having a rough time taking the thread creator seriously. If you are worried about your two kids, that are both UNDER AGED for viewing and playing the game, maybe you shouldn't watch streamed content with your kids. It sounds so hypocritical when you say you want to protect your children from bad language but you still watch a game where the main goal is to slaughter your opponent. I don't have a solution for your problem and I hope casters and organisations don't waste time on censoring their casts etc for a age group that aren't even suppose to be involved with the game.
+1 to you sir
Why are the posters watching a 16+ game with their kids?
Casters: be yourself. If you tend to swear, so be it. If you dont then that's obviously fine too.
It's like watching a Call of Duty stream with your kids and then complaining about the swearing. Get a grip guys!
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On May 27 2011 08:06 iNcontroL wrote:
I propose we advance this thread to a more literal place
Does it bother anybody else that khaldor casts in german? Or totalbiscuit? I think in order for sc2 and ESPORTS to thrive we must only speak english.
Thoughts?
I think it would be more appropriate for casters to speak in the tongue of their ancestors. I.e. Artosis should cast in Polish, Wolf in German, and iNcontrol in Cherokee.
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You're probably right about casting language. Being a young male, I have to admit I err on the side of vulgar more often than I would like. It doesn't bother me, but a step towards the civil would be a great advance for the mainstream spread of esports.
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On May 27 2011 08:15 Psychobabas wrote:
Why are the posters watching a 16+ game with their kids?
Because nobody is stupid enough to base their decisions completely off an arbitrary rating system. I also occasionally take more then the recommended number of pills on the aspirin bottle.
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I had never even thought about this...
I'm pretty sure GSL is always PG. It's a difficult one, there's definitely a time and a place when PG stifles a show, but then I think it should be made clear that it's going to include it.
EDIT: I like R1CHs addition actually.
EDIT 2: Reading up through the comments I think a lot of people commenting just don't have kids and probably don't know much about them. They are so impressionable, if they see a caster swearing, someone they will look up to, they start to see it as slightly more acceptable. There is certainly a time and a place for swearing but it's pretty uncouth and should be reserved, and kids don't quite get that.
It's a T rated game yeah, but if a parent deems the game OK for their child, but swearing not, then that's the parents choice. They should at least be able to tell whether there is going to be additional mature content, though I'm not advocating censorship just clearer distinctions.
And as others have said, you're going to have a problem with the Swedish.
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On May 27 2011 08:29 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:15 Psychobabas wrote:
Why are the posters watching a 16+ game with their kids?
Because nobody is stupid enough to base their decisions completely off an arbitrary rating system. I also occasionally take more then the recommended number of pills on the aspirin bottle.
Well that's well and good, but the rating system is meant to let you know what to expect. If you take more than the recommended number of pills on the aspirin bottle and come out alright, that's all well and good, but if it fucks you up, then you had that label so it was your decision to go against recommendations.
Similarly, the point being brought up is the rating of the game is there, you can look at the rating and assume that's the age expectation, so if you are letting your kids play and watch the game, that's all well and good, but then it looks stupid if you complain about the content which is equivalent to the label on the bloody box.
On May 27 2011 08:31 Deadeight wrote:
I had never even thought about this...
I'm pretty sure GSL is always PG. It's a difficult one, there's definitely a time and a place when PG stifles a show, but then I think it should be made clear that it's going to include it.
EDIT: I like R1CHs addition actually.
I would say the GSL(international cast) is PG-13, I would say almost every major event is PG-13 to be honest.
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On May 27 2011 08:06 iNcontroL wrote:
I propose we advance this thread to a more literal place
Does it bother anybody else that khaldor casts in german? Or totalbiscuit? I think in order for sc2 and ESPORTS to thrive we must only speak english.
Thoughts?
Well, only if they scream "NIEN".
Then, and ONLY then, will that be acceptable for non-English speaking people to cast sc2.
(It's sad that I had to google how to spell that xD)
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I really like the idea to add the "maturity level" thingy to stream settings. I hope this will help people out! I know for myself, sometimes I really dislike when people swear, and then sometimes I don't mind it at all!
Yay R1CH, saving the ESPORTS day one change at a time!
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On May 27 2011 07:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 15:55 Xacalite wrote:
Oh man, I dont get how so many people in this thread already (after 1 year of Starcraft) can have the audacity to demand anything form any caster. Censoring what they are alowed to say is even more outrageous. Well I guess thats what a Husky or TotalBiscuit brings to this community...
I like being blamed for something for no apparent reason at all, it's pretty awesome.
TB is an awesome caster ^^. What's wrong with bringing new people into a game? That's like saying, "NO I DUN WAN STARCRAFF TO GROO ANYMO!".
Sheeeeesh -_______________-.
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I agree with incontrol, BUT ONLY AMERICAN ENGLISH CAUSE ITS THE BEST ENGLISH YEEEEHAAAAW
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