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On May 24 2011 15:39 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 14:16 Merkd wrote:
Lol, i highly doubt that his team mate is twice as good as idra... If I had to guess, his teammate probably played twice as good as Idra did that match, as Idra didn't really play all that great. + Show Spoiler +
First game, he one-base roach all-in'd a forge expand and never broke the cannons. Second game, he ran around the map with a ball of roaches and banelings and never did any significant damage to XiaoT's army due to force fields. It wasn't exactly stellar play.
Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often.
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On May 24 2011 14:58 On_Slaught wrote:
There is a suprising amount of arrogance in these interviews.
I'd like to see these players come out andp lay in some foreign (or korean) tournies so we can see if they are really as great as they talk/played this tourny.
me too, I'd like to see foreign players come out and play in Chinese (or Korean) tournies so we can see if they are really as great as they talk/played this tourny.
oh...wait, they just did. And the result........
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On May 24 2011 15:45 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 15:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 24 2011 14:16 Merkd wrote:
Lol, i highly doubt that his team mate is twice as good as idra... If I had to guess, his teammate probably played twice as good as Idra did that match, as Idra didn't really play all that great. + Show Spoiler +
First game, he one-base roach all-in'd a forge expand and never broke the cannons. Second game, he ran around the map with a ball of roaches and banelings and never did any significant damage to XiaoT's army due to force fields. It wasn't exactly stellar play.
Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often.
Not saying it's a bad build, but being a cheese build, it didn't allow Idra to show much of anything other than a failed execution. XiaoT was obviously not impressed.
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On May 24 2011 15:47 TDN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 14:58 On_Slaught wrote:
There is a suprising amount of arrogance in these interviews.
I'd like to see these players come out andp lay in some foreign (or korean) tournies so we can see if they are really as great as they talk/played this tourny. me too, I'd like to see foreign players come out and play in Chinese (or Korean) tournies so we can see if they are really as great as they talk/played this tourny. oh...wait, they just did. And the result........
Well, they beat the players in a Bo3. They must be objectively better and more consistent players.
oh... wait
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On May 24 2011 15:53 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 15:45 Mailing wrote:On May 24 2011 15:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 24 2011 14:16 Merkd wrote:
Lol, i highly doubt that his team mate is twice as good as idra... If I had to guess, his teammate probably played twice as good as Idra did that match, as Idra didn't really play all that great. + Show Spoiler +
First game, he one-base roach all-in'd a forge expand and never broke the cannons. Second game, he ran around the map with a ball of roaches and banelings and never did any significant damage to XiaoT's army due to force fields. It wasn't exactly stellar play.
Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often. Not saying it's a bad build, but being a cheese build, it didn't allow Idra to show much of anything other than a failed execution. XiaoT was obviously not impressed.
If someone wants to try and judge a player off 2 games that's their prerogative I guess.
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Uhh guys, talking up your practice partners is kind of standard try not to get too salty over this. Every player always says good things about their teammates and practice partners so he won a series rather convincingly and said his practice partners were better than Idra. This isnt too far off the normal response.
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Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves 
And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad...
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On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad...
because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.
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On May 24 2011 15:28 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 04:09 FrostShadow wrote:On May 19 2011 03:51 sesmc wrote:On May 19 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:On May 19 2011 03:10 parazice wrote:
war3 = china
dota = china
sc2 =??? Warcraft 3 was not China. Grubby/Moon were the best, and they were Eu/Kor. China started to dominate once everyone else left the scene. (And korea never got behind wc3 like they did bw, so that's not a fair comparison.) These chinese players seem somewhat uninformed on how good their internet it, among other things. (MorroW is not some North American scrub, lol) You must've never heard the name Sky~~ go check wcg hall of fame. "Dominate: to tower above; overlook; overshadow: A tall pine dominated the landscape. " China had great players. Sky, infi, fly, 000. Having great players is not the same as dominating. Korea dominated brood war. No single nation dominated wc3. I never said China wasn't good. I said they didn't dominate, and this is true. I think he took issue with what you said about China starting to dominate after everyone else left the scene, which if not carefully read could imply that Chinese WC 3 was only any good because no one else played it. Obviously, that's not true because WC 3 was the premier competitive RTS in Europe until SC 2, and Moon was the highest paid pro-gamer around 2008. I also don't think the Chinese would agree that Grubby and Moon were the best players, since their perception of the WC 3 scene is towards the later eras, when Grubby and Moon were somewhat past their prime. WC 3 was odd, however. As the scene matured, the Chinese ended up with the best Humans. The Koreans had the best Night Elves. Orcs were fairly even all around, and Undead was broken. I don't think I've ever seen such a split in BW but then again, BW revolved around the Korean scene. I wonder if such a thing might happen in SC 2. As of right now I don't think so, though the Chinese gravitating towards Protoss makes me think.
Koreans will have the best Terrans, Chinese will have the best Protoss, Zerg will be broken :p.
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On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad... because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.
I'd be interested in seeing them play against more NA/EU players. Problem is, they never get invited to any foreigner LANs. Perhaps that's the reason they're trying to play themselves up.
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On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad... because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.
So was Bomber before his qualifying to code A?
Seriously, give it time. It's normal that people in a team can see true potential of their teammates. It's not like this is the first time it happens.
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Morrow was playing awful, still experimenting with his new zvp at that time I guess. No wonder LoveTT said his style is not mature.
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On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad... because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.
Oh well, I expected this kind of reaction. If you're not saying Idra is the best, the greatest, the king, etc... you're a hater. Seriously dude, where do you see hate in my previous post? I respect Idra, he's a great player but you people need to realise that there are better ones.
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On May 24 2011 16:32 Maenander wrote:
Morrow was playing awful, still experimenting with his new zvp at that time I guess. No wonder LoveTT said his style is not mature.
Yeah, Morrow said in an interview a couple of days ago that he had played with his new style for around 2 weeks. He is really confident against Protoss now.
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On May 24 2011 15:45 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 15:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 24 2011 14:16 Merkd wrote:
Lol, i highly doubt that his team mate is twice as good as idra... If I had to guess, his teammate probably played twice as good as Idra did that match, as Idra didn't really play all that great. + Show Spoiler +
First game, he one-base roach all-in'd a forge expand and never broke the cannons. Second game, he ran around the map with a ball of roaches and banelings and never did any significant damage to XiaoT's army due to force fields. It wasn't exactly stellar play.
Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often.
Maybe you should watch the video then. xiaOt won that game because he completely out played IdrA, it wasn't as if he just smashed repair on a couple of bunkers and weathered the storm, he was insanely patient and would use FF's at the very last second and drop buildings/create walls on a razors edge.
99% of other Protoss players probably would have fallen to that, but xiaOt aside from his knee jerk first FF, played it near perfectly.
It was the equivalent of Protoss 4gating into a (no-gas)FE'ing Terran with no bunkers and losing. Obviously it was the Protoss's game to lose, but as the Terran you still needed to pull off something special to win that.
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"I feel like XiGua is two times better compared to Idra. Playing with Idra I do not feel any pressure at all."
Idra has a new enemy.
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On May 24 2011 16:34 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad... because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple. Oh well, I expected this kind of reaction. If you're not saying Idra is the best, the greatest, the king, etc... you're a hater. Seriously dude, where do you see hate in my previous post? I respect Idra, he's a great player but you people need to realize that there are better ones.
"Also I heard he trash talked xiaot so by being stomped by him he only gets what he deserves "
No he didn't. You assume it's trash talk because you are looking for it.
And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it?
No, they are not better than idra, yet. Results matter. Based on pure results analysis, only NesTea and maybe July can be said to be better without being an opinion.
If you're not saying Idra is the best, the greatest, the king, etc... you're a hater.
This line just shows that you again, are looking to be negative. In no way did the person you quoted say anything of the sort.
but you people need to realise that there are better ones.
I'll believe it when I see it. I especially won't take a protosses word that there is a zerg at a "much higher tier" than idra, only nestea even comes close to fitting into that position.
On May 24 2011 17:52 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 15:45 Mailing wrote:On May 24 2011 15:39 Azarkon wrote:On May 24 2011 14:16 Merkd wrote:
Lol, i highly doubt that his team mate is twice as good as idra... If I had to guess, his teammate probably played twice as good as Idra did that match, as Idra didn't really play all that great. + Show Spoiler +
First game, he one-base roach all-in'd a forge expand and never broke the cannons. Second game, he ran around the map with a ball of roaches and banelings and never did any significant damage to XiaoT's army due to force fields. It wasn't exactly stellar play.
Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often. Maybe you should watch the video then. xiaOt won that game because he completely out played IdrA, it wasn't as if he just smashed repair on a couple of bunkers and weathered the storm, he was insanely patient and would use FF's at the very last second and drop buildings/create walls on a razors edge. 99% of other Protoss players probably would have fallen to that, but xiaOt aside from his knee jerk first FF, played it near perfectly. It was the equivalent of Protoss 4gating into a (no-gas)FE'ing Terran with no bunkers and losing. Obviously it was the Protoss's game to lose, but as the Terran you still needed to pull off something special to win that.
Dude, what the hell? Did I say anything about Xaiot not outplaying IdrA? That guy said "idra roach rushing was not very stellar play", which is bullshit. If it was not stellar it's because zerg all-ins are not that great it the first place, but idra doing it doesn't make him bad. No zerg wants to play a protoss taking a fast second base right now, and roach busting is the best way to prevent this. IdrA took a smart gamble and it failed because Xaiot held well.
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On May 24 2011 18:02 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 16:34 Lylat wrote:On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad... because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple. Oh well, I expected this kind of reaction. If you're not saying Idra is the best, the greatest, the king, etc... you're a hater. Seriously dude, where do you see hate in my previous post? I respect Idra, he's a great player but you people need to realize that there are better ones. ..... but you people need to realise that there are better ones.I'll believe it when I see it. I especially won't take a protosses word that there is a zerg at a "much higher tier" than idra, only nestea even comes close to fitting into that position.
Have you ever heard the term 'Circular Reasoning'?
Dude, what the hell? Did I say anything about Xaiot not outplaying IdrA? That guy said "idra roach rushing was not very stellar play", which is bullshit. If it was not stellar it's because zerg all-ins are not that great it the first place, but idra doing it doesn't make him bad. No zerg wants to play a protoss taking a fast second base right now, and roach busting is the best way to prevent this. IdrA took a smart gamble and it failed because Xaiot held well.
But it WASN'T stellar play, watch the damn games, there are a lot of things he could have done better.
"if it wasn't stellar play then it is because zerg all-ins are not that great"
You have such ridiculous circular logic, there is no point arguing with you. You seem to have this ridiculous patriotism to Zerg...half your conclusions are already made, all you are doing is just looking for evidence to support them. It is so absurd.
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so many idra fanboys in here... he didnt insult idra, he just said that his training partner is just better. It's normal to respect your trainingpartners. I hope we'll see these great chinese players in other foreign tournaments in the future
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