Gigabyte StarsWar 6 RO8 Winner Interview (Spoiler)

On May 19 2011 02:45 Tael wrote:
Q: You know Idra very well; did you have any special preparations before the match?

NvxiaOt: Actually I did have preparation, recently XiGua have been constantly practicing PVZ with me. I feel like XiGua is two times better compared to Idra. Playing with Idra I do not feel any pressure at all.

On May 19 2011 03:02 Tael wrote:
.. sigh..t.t is there a way I can change the title?

On May 19 2011 02:45 Tael wrote:NvxiaOt: Actually I did have preparation, recently XiGua have been constantly practicing PVZ with me. I feel like XiGua is two times better compared to Idra. Playing with Idra I do not feel any pressure at all.

On May 19 2011 02:59 PartyBiscuit wrote:

To be perfectly honest, xigua was pretty atrocious in the GSL world champion Asian prelims (even though he won 2-0 against oxygen and lost 1-2 to Sen), if you watch the games he played, it was borderline terrible (but maybe he was nervous).

Also, the title should be Ro8 winners, since the semis still haven't been played.

On May 19 2011 03:12 Frugalicious wrote:
This is the Ro4. If you look at the brackets, the players they defeated reflect that. I believe the matches have been played but the English broadcast has not occurred for the last 2 matches (the ones being interviewed).

On May 19 2011 03:16 Horse...falcon wrote:
Internet in China to the outside is absolutely terrible. I was there a few years back and had to load 5-10 pages at once, walk away for a coffee/bathroom break, and come back to see any Western sites.

Also, wait does he think Morrow is an American?

On May 19 2011 03:10 parazice wrote:
war3 = china
dota = china
sc2 =???

On May 19 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:


Warcraft 3 was not China.

Grubby/Moon were the best, and they were Eu/Kor.
China started to dominate once everyone else left the scene. (And korea never got behind wc3 like they did bw, so that's not a fair comparison.)

These chinese players seem somewhat uninformed on how good their internet it, among other things.
(MorroW is not some North American scrub, lol)

the latency in American server is pretty high, control wasn't very good.

On May 19 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote:


Warcraft 3 was not China.

Grubby/Moon were the best, and they were Eu/Kor.
China started to dominate once everyone else left the scene. (And korea never got behind wc3 like they did bw, so that's not a fair comparison.)

These chinese players seem somewhat uninformed on how good their internet it, among other things.
(MorroW is not some North American scrub, lol)

On May 19 2011 03:49 udgnim wrote:
I'm unsure how to interpret this



does this mean that all games are being played on NA server or that he didn't know that Morrow was from EU and assumed Morrow was playing from NA

btw it's going to be an all Protoss RO4

at least PvP might be more interesting now based off of the Genius vs Hero game

want to see MC beasting it live in Shanghai, China

On May 19 2011 03:49 udgnim wrote:
I'm unsure how to interpret this



does this mean that all games are being played on NA server or that he didn't know that Morrow was from EU and assumed Morrow was playing from NA

btw it's going to be an all Protoss RO4

at least PvP might be more interesting now based off of the Genius vs Hero game

want to see MC beasting it live in Shanghai, China

On May 19 2011 03:59 Jombozeus wrote:
Few things for the OP:

Firstly - Lovett said that westerner's tactics are not mature enough yet, ie. europe + NA is both in this category.

Secondly - The part where he was talking about forge expand actually is referring to sentry expand. Lovett said that he doesn't really like fast expands, but because there was latency issues, he was reluctant to use sentry expand vs. zerglings as 1 missed FF can end the game, but sentry expand is still the norm even though he went for forge expand.

Thirdly - The correct translation for the twice as good is actually as OP stated, 2 levels above. The english phrase closest to this is "XiGua is leagues beyond IdrA"

Lastly - This was not translated:
Q：第二盘对手运营很好200人口时你才130人口，但是依靠立场一点一点扳了回来了。
NvxiaOt：运营的话，Z裸双就有开局的优势了。在加上Z的运营优势比P强，200人口很正常。但在地形好，操作好和兵种配备好的情况下。P 130人口打Z 200人口还是能利用P的优势
兵种去挡的，我的攻防也很快，所以只要3矿能开起来，防下来。我就很有信心取得胜利。

Q: In the second set IdrA macroed to 200 pop when you were only at 130, but you used FFs to bring that back bit by bit.
NvxiaOt: Macro-wise, if Z chooses to fast expand they already have an advantage. Compounded on this is the fact that Z macro is inherently stronger than P's, 200 pop is very normal. But with good map usage, micro and army composition, 130 pop P army should still win against 200 pop Z army with superior composition to defend. My attack and defense are very quick, so as long as I can hold my third base, I have every confidence in winning.

On May 19 2011 03:51 sesmc wrote:



You must've never heard the name Sky~~

go check wcg hall of fame.

On May 19 2011 04:17 syllogism wrote:
These chinese players appear very cocky and for no good reason considering how little they've actually played against westerners or even Koreans. Loner, who was/is a top chinese player, has been very underwhelming so far for instance.

On May 19 2011 04:13 Jombozeus wrote:
To correct myself, lovett said he doesn't like to forge expand*.

ShuangKuang actually doesn't mean to double expand but to fast expand (forge or 1gate). Basically they refer to the number of bases, not the number of expansions.

It makes sense intuitively, forge expand IS very passive and can be "countered" by a double expanding zerg. We see forge expands on tal'darim and scrap station because the third is not full 8-mineral patch and also has destructable rocks and almost impossible to hold for zergs respectively. On a map where a fast third that is relatively safe can be taken, forge expands are

On May 19 2011 03:51 sesmc wrote:



You must've never heard the name Sky~~

go check wcg hall of fame.

On May 19 2011 04:21 R3N wrote:


Ehh they are taking over the world
No reason not to be cocky.

On May 19 2011 04:22 syllogism wrote:

They've so far done no such a thing and it doesn't look like they'll be participating in korean/western tournaments any time soon. Congrats beating a bunch of players with the latency advantage I guess.

On May 19 2011 04:17 syllogism wrote:
These chinese players appear very cocky and for no good reason considering how little they've actually played against westerners or even Koreans. Loner, who was/is a top chinese player, has been very underwhelming so far for instance.

On May 24 2011 13:03 motbob wrote:
Bump! I had to hide this before the English broadcast went live, but here it is again.

On May 19 2011 04:22 syllogism wrote:

They've so far done no such a thing and it doesn't look like they'll be participating in korean/western tournaments any time soon. Congrats beating a bunch of players with the latency advantage I guess.

On May 24 2011 13:22 sermokala wrote:
You should probably spoiler the interveiews sence they are in affect spoilers.

Thanks a lot for the thread thought anyway.

this is now MC's set of matches to win pvp god cometh

Edit: Not to make excuse's but everyone saw that Idra was on tilt after the first game and still won one somehow. nothing to really smack about I don't think.

On May 24 2011 13:56 blabla9111 wrote:
I think that XiaoT dood should just stfu because he can talk shit when hes online and the only reason he beat idra was because he was abusing protosses advantages. XiaoT is a pathetic Scrub, cant wait to see him get raped him the asshole by MC. I ll watch him cry like a little piece of crap.

On May 24 2011 13:22 sermokala wrote:
You should probably spoiler the interveiews sence they are in affect spoilers.

Thanks a lot for the thread thought anyway.

this is now MC's set of matches to win pvp god cometh

Edit: Not to make excuse's but everyone saw that Idra was on tilt after the first game and still won one somehow. nothing to really smack about I don't think.

On May 24 2011 13:34 Mailing wrote:
How can you go from

"Thank you, every game was strenuous. The thought I had in my heart was to take every game seriously."

To

"My practice partner is 2x better than him"

If his zerg partner was 2x better than idra, and idra almost beat Xaiot, why isn't this chinese zerg showing us all how to play and not making the top 4 protoss players?

Seems like he super contradicted himself there...

On May 24 2011 14:01 Dommk wrote:

Probably because he was playing with latency (China->NA) and his Zerg partner wasn't invited.

Haven't seen the games, probably wasn't as close as the translation makes it out to be if Idra lost 200 supply to 130 -__-

On May 24 2011 14:08 Phanekim wrote:
has anyone considered the possibility that idra's been busy lately and probably doesn't even care about this tournament?

imho he played like complete garbage. i wonder if the lag and the lesser prestige of this tournament in his eyes played a factor.

On May 24 2011 14:08 Phanekim wrote:
has anyone considered the possibility that idra's been busy lately and probably doesn't even care about this tournament?

imho he played like complete garbage. i wonder if the lag and the lesser prestige of this tournament in his eyes played a factor.

On May 24 2011 14:08 Phanekim wrote:
has anyone considered the possibility that idra's been busy lately and probably doesn't even care about this tournament?

imho he played like complete garbage. i wonder if the lag and the lesser prestige of this tournament in his eyes played a factor.

On May 24 2011 14:13 Dommk wrote:

Or maybe, just maybe....xiaOt played better than him.

On May 24 2011 14:08 Phanekim wrote:
has anyone considered the possibility that idra's been busy lately and probably doesn't even care about this tournament?

imho he played like complete garbage. i wonder if the lag and the lesser prestige of this tournament in his eyes played a factor.

On May 24 2011 14:05 Mailing wrote:


Zerg always hit 200 when a protoss is around 140-150, roach supply is meaningless especially when sentries are in play.

On May 19 2011 03:10 cyclone25 wrote:
xiaOt: "I feel like XiGua is two times better compared to Idra. Playing with Idra I do not feel any pressure at all."

Rofl at that :D

I remember watching IdrA's stream when he was playing in Korea and he said that xiaOt is one of the cheesiest players on the server. He indeed went for a 4gate and lost -.-
Now xiaOt trash talks him back

On May 24 2011 14:48 JesusOurSaviour wrote:

Pretty sure XiaoT ripped IdrA apart this time round. The Chinese SC2 scene only just got underway, check the channel NeoTV at www.Youku.com for all of their competitions. They currently have a HUGE offline LAN going on to select the final qualifiers for the WCG2011.

Welcome back Toodming, F91, Legend and co from SCBW :D

China is on the rise: SCBW: Korea (China is the best after Korea) Wc3: China, Dota: China, SCII: ?? Who will it be?

And I believe XiaoT when he says that Xigua is 2x better than IdrA when in practice. Chinese players work out BO's to the last mineral and plan for all forseeable outcomes. They pretty much copied the Koreans to the last probe in BW, and Pj even took a game off Stork. I think that's pretty impressive tbh. (Lovett also took a game off a Korean. Forgot who though :p)

On May 24 2011 15:02 Xkalibert wrote:
Quick Americans, we need to send our letters to statemen and Congressmen and let mobilize Sc2 programs in Junior High school and High school so we can take down China In the future. We can't let them humiliate us, they even beat us in gold medal counts Summer Olympics in 2008.

/joke

On May 24 2011 14:54 infinitestory wrote:
两个档次 should mean "on two different levels," meaning that he thinks XiGua's gameplay is a tier above IdrA's.

An interesting interview, and good to see the Chinese scene picking up again.

On May 24 2011 14:22 Dracid wrote:


山寨 : slang for counterfeit/fake
包哥 : Brother Bao (Boxer)

山包 : Foxer

On May 19 2011 04:09 FrostShadow wrote:


"Dominate: to tower above; overlook; overshadow: A tall pine dominated the landscape. "

China had great players. Sky, infi, fly, 000.

Having great players is not the same as dominating. Korea dominated brood war. No single nation dominated wc3. I never said China wasn't good. I said they didn't dominate, and this is true.

On May 19 2011 03:16 Horse...falcon wrote:
Internet in China to the outside is absolutely terrible. I was there a few years back and had to load 5-10 pages at once, walk away for a coffee/bathroom break, and come back to see any Western sites.

Also, wait does he think Morrow is an American?

On May 24 2011 14:16 Merkd wrote:
Lol, i highly doubt that his team mate is twice as good as idra...

On May 24 2011 14:08 Phanekim wrote:
has anyone considered the possibility that idra's been busy lately and probably doesn't even care about this tournament?

imho he played like complete garbage. i wonder if the lag and the lesser prestige of this tournament in his eyes played a factor.

On May 24 2011 15:39 Azarkon wrote:


If I had to guess, his teammate probably played twice as good as Idra did that match, as Idra didn't really play all that great.

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 24 2011 14:58 On_Slaught wrote:
There is a suprising amount of arrogance in these interviews.

I'd like to see these players come out andp lay in some foreign (or korean) tournies so we can see if they are really as great as they talk/played this tourny.

On May 24 2011 15:45 Mailing wrote:



Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often.

On May 24 2011 15:47 TDN wrote:


me too, I'd like to see foreign players come out and play in Chinese (or Korean) tournies so we can see if they are really as great as they talk/played this tourny.

oh...wait, they just did. And the result........

On May 24 2011 15:53 Azarkon wrote:


Not saying it's a bad build, but being a cheese build, it didn't allow Idra to show much of anything other than a failed execution. XiaoT was obviously not impressed.

On May 24 2011 16:04 Lylat wrote:
Haha lol at biased people saying that the chinese are asses for speaking the thruth.. Idra says things 100 times worse but still everyone likes him. Also I heard he trashtalked xiaot so by beeing stomped by him he only gets what he deserves
And yes, there are people better than Idra, why would he lied about it? It's not like he said Idra was bad...

On May 24 2011 15:28 Azarkon wrote:


I think he took issue with what you said about China starting to dominate after everyone else left the scene, which if not carefully read could imply that Chinese WC 3 was only any good because no one else played it. Obviously, that's not true because WC 3 was the premier competitive RTS in Europe until SC 2, and Moon was the highest paid pro-gamer around 2008. I also don't think the Chinese would agree that Grubby and Moon were the best players, since their perception of the WC 3 scene is towards the later eras, when Grubby and Moon were somewhat past their prime.

WC 3 was odd, however. As the scene matured, the Chinese ended up with the best Humans. The Koreans had the best Night Elves. Orcs were fairly even all around, and Undead was broken. I don't think I've ever seen such a split in BW but then again, BW revolved around the Korean scene.

I wonder if such a thing might happen in SC 2. As of right now I don't think so, though the Chinese gravitating towards Protoss makes me think.

On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:

because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.

On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:

because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.

On May 24 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:

because the zerg he's talking about hasn't done anything? Seems like you're just finding reasons to hate idra really. If chinese players want respect they need to dominate the players they say they're better than regularly. It's pretty simple.

On May 24 2011 16:32 Maenander wrote:
Morrow was playing awful, still experimenting with his new zvp at that time I guess. No wonder LoveTT said his style is not mature.

On May 24 2011 15:45 Mailing wrote:



Roach rush is one of the most powerful builds zerg has against a forge FE. It's no worse than most protoss trying to 4-gate into 3 terran bunkers. The funny thing is that the 4gate still works quite often.

On May 24 2011 16:34 Lylat wrote:

Oh well, I expected this kind of reaction. If you're not saying Idra is the best, the greatest, the king, etc... you're a hater. Seriously dude, where do you see hate in my previous post? I respect Idra, he's a great player but you people need to realize that there are better ones.

On May 24 2011 17:52 Dommk wrote:

Maybe you should watch the video then. xiaOt won that game because he completely out played IdrA, it wasn't as if he just smashed repair on a couple of bunkers and weathered the storm, he was insanely patient and would use FF's at the very last second and drop buildings/create walls on a razors edge.

99% of other Protoss players probably would have fallen to that, but xiaOt aside from his knee jerk first FF, played it near perfectly.

It was the equivalent of Protoss 4gating into a (no-gas)FE'ing Terran with no bunkers and losing. Obviously it was the Protoss's game to lose, but as the Terran you still needed to pull off something special to win that.

On May 24 2011 18:02 Mailing wrote:


.....

but you people need to realise that there are better ones.

I'll believe it when I see it. I especially won't take a protosses word that there is a zerg at a "much higher tier" than idra, only nestea even comes close to fitting into that position.

Dude, what the hell? Did I say anything about Xaiot not outplaying IdrA? That guy said "idra roach rushing was not very stellar play", which is bullshit. If it was not stellar it's because zerg all-ins are not that great it the first place, but idra doing it doesn't make him bad. No zerg wants to play a protoss taking a fast second base right now, and roach busting is the best way to prevent this. IdrA took a smart gamble and it failed because Xaiot held well.

On May 19 2011 04:17 syllogism wrote:
These chinese players appear very cocky and for no good reason considering how little they've actually played against westerners or even Koreans. Loner, who was/is a top chinese player, has been very underwhelming so far for instance.

These chinese players appear very cocky and for no good reason considering how little they've actually played against westerners or even Koreans. Loner, who was/is a top chinese player, has been very underwhelming so far for instance.