EPTGigabyte StarsWar 6 RO8 Winner Interview (Spoiler) - Page 2
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote: Warcraft 3 was not China. Grubby/Moon were the best, and they were Eu/Kor. China started to dominate once everyone else left the scene. (And korea never got behind wc3 like they did bw, so that's not a fair comparison.) These chinese players seem somewhat uninformed on how good their internet it, among other things. (MorroW is not some North American scrub, lol) China actually started to dominate when everyone else was still in the scene. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
the latency in American server is pretty high, control wasn't very good. does this mean that all games are being played on NA server or that he didn't know that Morrow was from EU and assumed Morrow was playing from NA btw it's going to be an all Protoss RO4 at least PvP might be more interesting now based off of the Genius vs Hero game want to see MC beasting it live in Shanghai, China | ||
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sesmc
China61 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:39 FrostShadow wrote: Warcraft 3 was not China. Grubby/Moon were the best, and they were Eu/Kor. China started to dominate once everyone else left the scene. (And korea never got behind wc3 like they did bw, so that's not a fair comparison.) These chinese players seem somewhat uninformed on how good their internet it, among other things. (MorroW is not some North American scrub, lol) You must've never heard the name Sky~~ go check wcg hall of fame. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:49 udgnim wrote: I'm unsure how to interpret this does this mean that all games are being played on NA server or that he didn't know that Morrow was from EU and assumed Morrow was playing from NA btw it's going to be an all Protoss RO4 at least PvP might be more interesting now based off of the Genius vs Hero game want to see MC beasting it live in Shanghai, China Lovett played Morrow on NA server for all of their games. EU-NA has much better latency than CN-NA. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
Firstly - Lovett said that westerner's tactics are not mature enough yet, ie. europe + NA is both in this category. Secondly - The part where he was talking about forge expand actually is referring to sentry expand. Lovett said that he doesn't really like fast expands, but because there was latency issues, he was reluctant to use sentry expand vs. zerglings as 1 missed FF can end the game, but sentry expand is still the norm even though he went for forge expand. (Shaobin is slang for sentry) Thirdly - The correct translation for the twice as good is actually as OP stated, 2 levels above. The english phrase closest to this is "XiGua is leagues beyond IdrA" Lastly - This was not translated: Q：第二盘对手运营很好200人口时你才130人口，但是依靠立场一点一点扳了回来了。 NvxiaOt：运营的话，Z裸双就有开局的优势了。在加上Z的运营优势比P强，200人口很正常。但在地形好，操作好和兵种配备好的情况下。P 130人口打Z 200人口还是能利用P的优势 兵种去挡的，我的攻防也很快，所以只要3矿能开起来，防下来。我就很有信心取得胜利。 Q: In the second set IdrA macroed to 200 pop when you were only at 130, but you used FFs to bring that back bit by bit. NvxiaOt: Macro-wise, if Z chooses to fast expand they already have an advantage. Compounded on this is the fact that Z macro is inherently stronger than P's, 200 pop is very normal. But with good map usage, micro and army composition, 130 pop P army should still win against 200 pop Z army with superior composition to defend. My attack and defense are very quick, so as long as I can hold my third base, I have every confidence in winning. | ||
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Tael
United States13 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:49 udgnim wrote: I'm unsure how to interpret this does this mean that all games are being played on NA server or that he didn't know that Morrow was from EU and assumed Morrow was playing from NA btw it's going to be an all Protoss RO4 at least PvP might be more interesting now based off of the Genius vs Hero game want to see MC beasting it live in Shanghai, China That is a good question, the earlier part of the same question he mentioned North American and European in a single word (the norm in Chinese language for describing something foreign and related to "white people") So I do not know if he simply misspoke as he did not say European server but rather American. Maybe it has something to do with playing on middle ground? Since it is in between the two continents. | ||
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Tael
United States13 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:59 Jombozeus wrote: Few things for the OP: Firstly - Lovett said that westerner's tactics are not mature enough yet, ie. europe + NA is both in this category. Secondly - The part where he was talking about forge expand actually is referring to sentry expand. Lovett said that he doesn't really like fast expands, but because there was latency issues, he was reluctant to use sentry expand vs. zerglings as 1 missed FF can end the game, but sentry expand is still the norm even though he went for forge expand. Thirdly - The correct translation for the twice as good is actually as OP stated, 2 levels above. The english phrase closest to this is "XiGua is leagues beyond IdrA" Lastly - This was not translated: Q：第二盘对手运营很好200人口时你才130人口，但是依靠立场一点一点扳了回来了。 NvxiaOt：运营的话，Z裸双就有开局的优势了。在加上Z的运营优势比P强，200人口很正常。但在地形好，操作好和兵种配备好的情况下。P 130人口打Z 200人口还是能利用P的优势 兵种去挡的，我的攻防也很快，所以只要3矿能开起来，防下来。我就很有信心取得胜利。 Q: In the second set IdrA macroed to 200 pop when you were only at 130, but you used FFs to bring that back bit by bit. NvxiaOt: Macro-wise, if Z chooses to fast expand they already have an advantage. Compounded on this is the fact that Z macro is inherently stronger than P's, 200 pop is very normal. But with good map usage, micro and army composition, 130 pop P army should still win against 200 pop Z army with superior composition to defend. My attack and defense are very quick, so as long as I can hold my third base, I have every confidence in winning. Thanks I can't believe I missed that question. Regarding the things you said. 1: I know the term is often translated to westerners, but I feel the direct translation of the two characters fits it better as I feel he is describing the NA/EU not the entire western world. 2: Big mistake from me, I thought he was replying to the "bf" posted by the questioner. I will be fixing those right now and add your translation for the question on the bottom. Thanks again. | ||
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FrostShadow
United States335 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:51 sesmc wrote: You must've never heard the name Sky~~ go check wcg hall of fame. "Dominate: to tower above; overlook; overshadow: A tall pine dominated the landscape. " China had great players. Sky, infi, fly, 000. Having great players is not the same as dominating. Korea dominated brood war. No single nation dominated wc3. I never said China wasn't good. I said they didn't dominate, and this is true. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
ShuangKuang actually doesn't mean to double expand but to fast expand (forge or 1gate). Basically they refer to the number of bases, not the number of expansions. It makes sense intuitively, forge expand IS very passive and can be "countered" by a double expanding zerg. We see forge expands on tal'darim and scrap station because the third is not full 8-mineral patch and also has destructable rocks and almost impossible to hold for zergs respectively. On a map where a fast third that is relatively safe can be taken, forge expands are  | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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R3N
740 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:17 syllogism wrote: These chinese players appear very cocky and for no good reason considering how little they've actually played against westerners or even Koreans. Loner, who was/is a top chinese player, has been very underwhelming so far for instance. Ehh they are taking over the world No reason not to be cocky. | ||
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Tael
United States13 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:13 Jombozeus wrote: To correct myself, lovett said he doesn't like to forge expand*. ShuangKuang actually doesn't mean to double expand but to fast expand (forge or 1gate). Basically they refer to the number of bases, not the number of expansions. It makes sense intuitively, forge expand IS very passive and can be "countered" by a double expanding zerg. We see forge expands on tal'darim and scrap station because the third is not full 8-mineral patch and also has destructable rocks and almost impossible to hold for zergs respectively. On a map where a fast third that is relatively safe can be taken, forge expands are It make much more sense explained by you, I guess I need to learn my Chinese sc2 terms! Thanks and fixed it up! | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:51 sesmc wrote: You must've never heard the name Sky~~ go check wcg hall of fame. thx for save me XD | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:21 R3N wrote: Ehh they are taking over the world No reason not to be cocky. They've so far done no such a thing and it doesn't look like they'll be participating in korean/western tournaments any time soon. Congrats beating a bunch of players with the latency advantage I guess. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:22 syllogism wrote: They've so far done no such a thing and it doesn't look like they'll be participating in korean/western tournaments any time soon. Congrats beating a bunch of players with the latency advantage I guess. Games were played on NA for EU to KR/CN matches. EU players have generally less latency. For where there is no middle ground such as KR v CN, they used spawn locations to decide who plays on their server first and then they rotate. There was no advantage either side, if any, lovett had a slight disadvantage going into the game in NA. EDIT: to op, np  | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:17 syllogism wrote: These chinese players appear very cocky and for no good reason considering how little they've actually played against westerners or even Koreans. Loner, who was/is a top chinese player, has been very underwhelming so far for instance. Loner was a top Chinese player when no one in China played SC2. The level of play these Chinese protosses have exhibited in Stars War is pretty astounding. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:03 motbob wrote: Bump! I had to hide this before the English broadcast went live, but here it is again. Ummm... Chinastomp ? | ||
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